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They brought a trailer and generator on the site and they have started clearing the property. It appears that there were concrete curbed roads back through the tract. Obviously there were several homes on this site at one time.

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On 2/20/2019 at 9:28 AM, bobruss said:

They brought a trailer and generator on the site and they have started clearing the property. It appears that there were concrete curbed roads back through the tract. Obviously there were several homes on this site at one time.

There were apartments there until the 1980s.

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Thanks, good to know. I thought the streets might have been part of the old Riverside Terrace neighborhood of homes built in the 40's and 50's.

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Hey neighbor! I can see your house from mine on the other side of the bayou. 

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It's not my drone I'm just sharing the video that was posted via NextDoor.

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They're doing some serious earthmoving over on the eastern side along the side street. Must be a retention pond thats at least 30 feet deep.

It runs almost the full length of the backside. It looks like it will have some interesting landscaping and contouring to provide for run off from the 

parking lot. I'll be interested to see how they carry out this part of the landscaping. A lot of potential and hopefully they'll remember to plant more Trees. They know what a huge difference a parking lot with large oaks can be, compared to an ugly concrete lot.

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59 minutes ago, bobruss said:

They're doing some serious earthmoving over on the eastern side along the side street. Must be a retention pond thats at least 30 feet deep.

It runs almost the full length of the backside. It looks like it will have some interesting landscaping and contouring to provide for run off from the 

parking lot. I'll be interested to see how they carry out this part of the landscaping. A lot of potential and hopefully they'll remember to plant more Trees. They know what a huge difference a parking lot with large oaks can be, compared to an ugly concrete lot.

 

I have a house nearby so would hope so as well but I heavily doubt it because they haven't done it at at other new location I've seen built lately. The oaks at the Montrose store were already there from the torn down apartment complex.  

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19 hours ago, iah77 said:

 

I have a house nearby so would hope so as well but I heavily doubt it because they haven't done it at at other new location I've seen built lately. The oaks at the Montrose store were already there from the torn down apartment complex.  

I lived in the Menil neighborhood and understand the history and fights over those trees on Dunlavy.  I would imagine the neighbors on that back street are not happy about losing that wooded cover from 288. They now will be looking at a lit parking lot and HEB. I just hope they decide to landscape and add trees. I know I will be sending them emails about landscaping and remind them how beautiful a parking lot can be. It never hurts to recommend these things and it only takes a few to get them thinking in the right direction.

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Either Hindesky, or ekdrm2d1 need to come over to the site and get some images of the earth work that is going on, on the back side of the property.

They have dug an amazing retention area that must be the size of a football field 20 or so feet deep and then along the length of the property they are installing a retention wall and canal for drainage. From the back side where the very nice two story brick homes face you can get a better view of how much this property has been built up. Hopefully for these homeowners its deep enough.

It's quite remarkable and deserves some photos. 

 

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I noticed as I drove by the 288 feeder side of the property at lunch the cinder blocks are going up on the eastern end of the building.

They are moving right along.

Also the very large football sized 25 foot deep retention pond now has a very large maybe 48" drain from the property to the hole.

I haven't figured out what the rebar columns on the back side are for yet. Your picture above shows them. For those who haven't seen the site, just to the north of those columns is the retention pond.

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They'll probably extend some parking over it just like the parking at LA Fitness on Yale.

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Has anyone seen designs for this? I wonder if it will be a 2 story due to being so close to Braes Bayou? Did it flood here during Harvey?

 

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Huge moat and retention pond on the northern side and northeast side.

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On 5/27/2019 at 1:49 PM, hindesky said:

Has anyone seen designs for this? I wonder if it will be a 2 story due to being so close to Braes Bayou?



The design for the H-E-B  Macgregor Market in Riverside Terrace, Third Ward in Houston was shared here. The address is 6055 South Fwy or 6055 Hwy 288.

It's on the second page of this thread:

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/32932-heb-288-and-n-macgregor-drive/?do=findComment&comment=585488

 



Also here are hi-res renderings and an additional rendering of H-E-B  Macgregor Market ( HEB  Macgregor Market ) from H-E-B's website:


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https://newsroom.heb.com/h-e-b-digs-into-macgregor-market/

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It's coming along nicely.

I wish H-E-B could have considered making the Macgregor Market a two-story store. Instead of a parking garage on the bottom, two levels of the store, with a parking garage attached to the side.

This will be a high-traffic store serving the Medical Center, Third Ward area, students from University of Houston and Texas Southern University, and parts of the East End and Palm Center area.

The parking spaces on the surface lot is a waste of space.
 

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Here is a link to a map of third ward. On it you will see clearly the Museum district designation on the map over the property. You will also notice the southern boundary 

approximately 5 blocks north of Southmore so this is technically not the 3rd ward and is actually closer to the museum district.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=map+of+3rd+ward+houston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Here is the historical map of the six wards and it shows roughly the same geographical boundaries with the southern boundary being about north of Southmore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Ward,_Houston#/media/File:HoustonWards1920.jpg

So technically this is not in the 3rd ward.

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39 minutes ago, Naviguessor said:

Could pour over maps like that for hours.  Thanks, Bobruss. 

I'm the same way. I find them fascinating especially older ones.

Theres a great shop called the Antiquarium located in the shopping center at Kirby and West Alabama.

A friend of mine gave me the full size map of the wards from 1920,  and it must be 60" square. 

If you haven't been you need to go by and check out their collection.

 

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I bike by there alot and I agree, this only sorta serves 3rd ward, and its going to moreso serve TMC and Museum District. I've heard from various development people that this was the closest HEB would come to putting it near 3rd ward, but the city was happy cause it had recognized that this was sort of a food desert (shoutout to that Fiesta).

 

I agree that a large parking lot would do this no service. Its almost like they don't know the area. The people on MacGregor already walk alot and you see quite a bit of foot traffic to the local corner store down the street. The easiest way to get to this (if you live within 2 miles or so of the HEB) is in my opinion by bike. The bayou trails literally drop you at the back entrance, lol, which would mean people from UH, Macgregor, Museum District, TMC, and Hermann Park area have a direct foot/bike path to the HEB. I dont think this will be a "will it do well" type thing, it'll be "will they be able to handle the massive inflow of people" and can they adapt to having so much foot traffic entering and leaving the property all the time. 

 

Honestly think its going to be quite bananas.

 

maybe the parking lot is for: “"We're working with METRO to make sure bus routes can get here. And as for the employees, we are so excited that the ones who want to come through the interview process will be able to do that the jobs are there," Boykins said.”

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21 hours ago, X.R. said:

this only sorta serves 3rd ward, and its going to moreso serve TMC and Museum District.



The store is meant to directly serve those in Riverside Terrace, Third Ward, Texas Medical Center and parts of Third Ward that are in the Museum District. BUT this will also serve people in the Palm Center, South Union, and the East End too. There aren't many grocery stores in those parts. The few groceries stores there don't have quality products, produce or meats. If people have cars, they're willing to drive to a better grocery store further from them to get what they need.

Many that have the means (and transportation) in Riverside and Third Ward don't frequent the HEB on Old Spanish Trail and Scott, but drive further out to Kroger and Super Target near NRG. Or they drive to the H-E-B Montrose Market and the Whole Foods and Trader Joe's not far from there. 

There are many in the East End and East Downtown that don't shop at the Super Walmart on S Wayside and I-45. Same goes for the Fiesta on S Wayside or the H-E-B Gulfgate. They drive further out to better grocery stores. There are affluent neighborhoods in the East End on and near MacGregor Dr, they want better options. I can guarantee when H-E-B Macgregor Market opens and the store maintains a standard to its Montrose counterpart, those residents will shop there. 

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Currently under construction.

 

Anyone have information or renderings of this.

Are they building an upgraded prootype or their basic one?

 

I haven't see anything and I'm thinking it could go either way since it is bordered by MidTown, Museum District & the Third Ward but I hope they realize the location potential and build a nicer one.

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Can mods please move the posts in this thread (do not merge) to the existing thread about this topic?

Second time requesting this. Usually posts like this are automatically merged or the thread merged with the existing thread once a mods notifies the poster of the duplicate thread.

Existing thread here:

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/32932-heb-288-and-n-macgregor-drive/

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2 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Can mods please move the posts in this thread (do not merge) to the existing thread about this topic?

Second time requesting this. Usually posts like this are automatically merged or the thread merged with the existing thread once a mods notifies the poster of the duplicate thread.

Existing thread here:

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/32932-heb-288-and-n-macgregor-drive/

Done

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They are flying. Biked by there last Saturday, and they were mixing concrete and putting up those beams (is that for support?). The guy outside saw me biking around and he was like, you dont know how many people walk by here just to look/figure out when its opening. Weird to be excited about a grocery store, buuuut I am. And the cool thing is that Macgregor in its current form can probably handle all the traffic to come with its three lanes, and its not typically busy. 

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5 hours ago, X.R. said:

They are flying. Biked by there last Saturday, and they were mixing concrete and putting up those beams (is that for support?). The guy outside saw me biking around and he was like, you dont know how many people walk by here just to look/figure out when its opening. Weird to be excited about a grocery store, buuuut I am. And the cool thing is that Macgregor in its current form can probably handle all the traffic to come with its three lanes, and its not typically busy. 

 

They're hoping to have it open in November in time for Thanksgiving. At the rate they're going, I think they'll meet that deadline.

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Front door will face north. Looks like a huge moat and lake will surround parts of the build.

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The moat will be good to fend off attacks from Kroger ground forces

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I rode by the new Heights store Sunday which probably never flooded and wondered why they didn't do a multi level store where everyone knows it has flooded multiple times in the last 18 yrs. Seems like they might be asking for trouble with this. I realize the footprint is much smaller for the Heights store but if it floods just once here they will be out of business for months.

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This lot hasn't flooded in the past, funny people keep assuming this just because it's by the bayou. 

Not to mention these two story stores have weird layouts  and are way more crammed in not a good way. 

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On 6/17/2019 at 11:23 PM, iah77 said:

This lot hasn't flooded in the past, funny people keep assuming this just because it's by the bayou. 

Not to mention these two story stores have weird layouts  and are way more crammed in not a good way. 

I've lived in the neighborhood for over 30 years and it the new store is in fact being built on top of the former path of Brays Bayou. That's what the little ravine that parallels Mac Gregor is. The site is also partly on a 500 year flood plain and a 100 year flood plain. Residents surrounding the store have valid concerns about the potential for flooding since you're putting a lot of concrete on top of what was previously a few slabs and grass. Hopefully the moat and ponds will do their job. 

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There used to be apartments there, it's not like it was not paved at one point. I don't think there is a ravine, they raised McGregror when they built 288 to be able to go over it. 

 

Regardless I'm not passionate about the issue, just my 2 cents. 

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I find the amount of earth work and walls for retention and the huge retention center being lined with the same stone to be very elaborate and I'm sure this was at a huge expense to HEB.

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On 6/4/2019 at 8:24 AM, bobruss said:

Here is a link to a map of third ward. On it you will see clearly the Museum district designation on the map over the property. You will also notice the southern boundary 

approximately 5 blocks north of Southmore so this is technically not the 3rd ward and is actually closer to the museum district.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=map+of+3rd+ward+houston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Here is the historical map of the six wards and it shows roughly the same geographical boundaries with the southern boundary being about north of Southmore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Ward,_Houston#/media/File:HoustonWards1920.jpg

So technically this is not in the 3rd ward.

 

Not trying to start an internet fight (but don't test me 😀), but...I always knew these "Museum District" and "Museum Park" areas as Third Ward when I was at UH back in the 90s.  

 

You're right that "technically" the HEB site was never Third Ward because it wasn't in the city back when the ward system ended.  But whether it was technically in the boundaries or not, it's always been considered Third Ward.  

 

Here's a blunt way of putting it.  The Third Ward was where Black people lived.  Once White people moved in, it became Museum Park or whatever.  Just like 2nd Ward became... Well, I don't even like to type the words but it's short for East Downtown.  And like how Freedmen's Town no longer exists, as an actual community or even a name anymore.

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