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Hey neighbor! I can see your house from mine on the other side of the bayou. 

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It's not my drone I'm just sharing the video that was posted via NextDoor.

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They're doing some serious earthmoving over on the eastern side along the side street. Must be a retention pond thats at least 30 feet deep.

It runs almost the full length of the backside. It looks like it will have some interesting landscaping and contouring to provide for run off from the 

parking lot. I'll be interested to see how they carry out this part of the landscaping. A lot of potential and hopefully they'll remember to plant more Trees. They know what a huge difference a parking lot with large oaks can be, compared to an ugly concrete lot.

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59 minutes ago, bobruss said:

They're doing some serious earthmoving over on the eastern side along the side street. Must be a retention pond thats at least 30 feet deep.

It runs almost the full length of the backside. It looks like it will have some interesting landscaping and contouring to provide for run off from the 

parking lot. I'll be interested to see how they carry out this part of the landscaping. A lot of potential and hopefully they'll remember to plant more Trees. They know what a huge difference a parking lot with large oaks can be, compared to an ugly concrete lot.

 

I have a house nearby so would hope so as well but I heavily doubt it because they haven't done it at at other new location I've seen built lately. The oaks at the Montrose store were already there from the torn down apartment complex.  

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19 hours ago, iah77 said:

 

I have a house nearby so would hope so as well but I heavily doubt it because they haven't done it at at other new location I've seen built lately. The oaks at the Montrose store were already there from the torn down apartment complex.  

I lived in the Menil neighborhood and understand the history and fights over those trees on Dunlavy.  I would imagine the neighbors on that back street are not happy about losing that wooded cover from 288. They now will be looking at a lit parking lot and HEB. I just hope they decide to landscape and add trees. I know I will be sending them emails about landscaping and remind them how beautiful a parking lot can be. It never hurts to recommend these things and it only takes a few to get them thinking in the right direction.

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Either Hindesky, or ekdrm2d1 need to come over to the site and get some images of the earth work that is going on, on the back side of the property.

They have dug an amazing retention area that must be the size of a football field 20 or so feet deep and then along the length of the property they are installing a retention wall and canal for drainage. From the back side where the very nice two story brick homes face you can get a better view of how much this property has been built up. Hopefully for these homeowners its deep enough.

It's quite remarkable and deserves some photos. 

 

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I noticed as I drove by the 288 feeder side of the property at lunch the cinder blocks are going up on the eastern end of the building.

They are moving right along.

Also the very large football sized 25 foot deep retention pond now has a very large maybe 48" drain from the property to the hole.

I haven't figured out what the rebar columns on the back side are for yet. Your picture above shows them. For those who haven't seen the site, just to the north of those columns is the retention pond.

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They'll probably extend some parking over it just like the parking at LA Fitness on Yale.

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Has anyone seen designs for this? I wonder if it will be a 2 story due to being so close to Braes Bayou? Did it flood here during Harvey?

 

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Huge moat and retention pond on the northern side and northeast side.

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Here is a link to a map of third ward. On it you will see clearly the Museum district designation on the map over the property. You will also notice the southern boundary 

approximately 5 blocks north of Southmore so this is technically not the 3rd ward and is actually closer to the museum district.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=map+of+3rd+ward+houston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Here is the historical map of the six wards and it shows roughly the same geographical boundaries with the southern boundary being about north of Southmore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Ward,_Houston#/media/File:HoustonWards1920.jpg

So technically this is not in the 3rd ward.

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39 minutes ago, Naviguessor said:

Could pour over maps like that for hours.  Thanks, Bobruss. 

I'm the same way. I find them fascinating especially older ones.

Theres a great shop called the Antiquarium located in the shopping center at Kirby and West Alabama.

A friend of mine gave me the full size map of the wards from 1920,  and it must be 60" square. 

If you haven't been you need to go by and check out their collection.

 

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I bike by there alot and I agree, this only sorta serves 3rd ward, and its going to moreso serve TMC and Museum District. I've heard from various development people that this was the closest HEB would come to putting it near 3rd ward, but the city was happy cause it had recognized that this was sort of a food desert (shoutout to that Fiesta).

 

I agree that a large parking lot would do this no service. Its almost like they don't know the area. The people on MacGregor already walk alot and you see quite a bit of foot traffic to the local corner store down the street. The easiest way to get to this (if you live within 2 miles or so of the HEB) is in my opinion by bike. The bayou trails literally drop you at the back entrance, lol, which would mean people from UH, Macgregor, Museum District, TMC, and Hermann Park area have a direct foot/bike path to the HEB. I dont think this will be a "will it do well" type thing, it'll be "will they be able to handle the massive inflow of people" and can they adapt to having so much foot traffic entering and leaving the property all the time. 

 

Honestly think its going to be quite bananas.

 

maybe the parking lot is for: “"We're working with METRO to make sure bus routes can get here. And as for the employees, we are so excited that the ones who want to come through the interview process will be able to do that the jobs are there," Boykins said.”

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Currently under construction.

 

Anyone have information or renderings of this.

Are they building an upgraded prootype or their basic one?

 

I haven't see anything and I'm thinking it could go either way since it is bordered by MidTown, Museum District & the Third Ward but I hope they realize the location potential and build a nicer one.

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2 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Can mods please move the posts in this thread (do not merge) to the existing thread about this topic?

Second time requesting this. Usually posts like this are automatically merged or the thread merged with the existing thread once a mods notifies the poster of the duplicate thread.

Existing thread here:

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/32932-heb-288-and-n-macgregor-drive/

Done

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They are flying. Biked by there last Saturday, and they were mixing concrete and putting up those beams (is that for support?). The guy outside saw me biking around and he was like, you dont know how many people walk by here just to look/figure out when its opening. Weird to be excited about a grocery store, buuuut I am. And the cool thing is that Macgregor in its current form can probably handle all the traffic to come with its three lanes, and its not typically busy. 

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5 hours ago, X.R. said:

They are flying. Biked by there last Saturday, and they were mixing concrete and putting up those beams (is that for support?). The guy outside saw me biking around and he was like, you dont know how many people walk by here just to look/figure out when its opening. Weird to be excited about a grocery store, buuuut I am. And the cool thing is that Macgregor in its current form can probably handle all the traffic to come with its three lanes, and its not typically busy. 

 

They're hoping to have it open in November in time for Thanksgiving. At the rate they're going, I think they'll meet that deadline.

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Front door will face north. Looks like a huge moat and lake will surround parts of the build.

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The moat will be good to fend off attacks from Kroger ground forces

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I rode by the new Heights store Sunday which probably never flooded and wondered why they didn't do a multi level store where everyone knows it has flooded multiple times in the last 18 yrs. Seems like they might be asking for trouble with this. I realize the footprint is much smaller for the Heights store but if it floods just once here they will be out of business for months.

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This lot hasn't flooded in the past, funny people keep assuming this just because it's by the bayou. 

Not to mention these two story stores have weird layouts  and are way more crammed in not a good way. 

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On 6/17/2019 at 11:23 PM, iah77 said:

This lot hasn't flooded in the past, funny people keep assuming this just because it's by the bayou. 

Not to mention these two story stores have weird layouts  and are way more crammed in not a good way. 

I've lived in the neighborhood for over 30 years and it the new store is in fact being built on top of the former path of Brays Bayou. That's what the little ravine that parallels Mac Gregor is. The site is also partly on a 500 year flood plain and a 100 year flood plain. Residents surrounding the store have valid concerns about the potential for flooding since you're putting a lot of concrete on top of what was previously a few slabs and grass. Hopefully the moat and ponds will do their job. 

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There used to be apartments there, it's not like it was not paved at one point. I don't think there is a ravine, they raised McGregror when they built 288 to be able to go over it. 

 

Regardless I'm not passionate about the issue, just my 2 cents. 

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I find the amount of earth work and walls for retention and the huge retention center being lined with the same stone to be very elaborate and I'm sure this was at a huge expense to HEB.

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On 6/4/2019 at 8:24 AM, bobruss said:

Here is a link to a map of third ward. On it you will see clearly the Museum district designation on the map over the property. You will also notice the southern boundary 

approximately 5 blocks north of Southmore so this is technically not the 3rd ward and is actually closer to the museum district.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=map+of+3rd+ward+houston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Here is the historical map of the six wards and it shows roughly the same geographical boundaries with the southern boundary being about north of Southmore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Ward,_Houston#/media/File:HoustonWards1920.jpg

So technically this is not in the 3rd ward.

 

Not trying to start an internet fight (but don't test me 😀), but...I always knew these "Museum District" and "Museum Park" areas as Third Ward when I was at UH back in the 90s.  

 

You're right that "technically" the HEB site was never Third Ward because it wasn't in the city back when the ward system ended.  But whether it was technically in the boundaries or not, it's always been considered Third Ward.  

 

Here's a blunt way of putting it.  The Third Ward was where Black people lived.  Once White people moved in, it became Museum Park or whatever.  Just like 2nd Ward became... Well, I don't even like to type the words but it's short for East Downtown.  And like how Freedmen's Town no longer exists, as an actual community or even a name anymore.

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This is really coming along and looks like it'll be great! But question. It's going to be mooning the north-bound freeway with the ugly rear side, and you can't really see it from the south bound side. What was the reasoning for having the main entrance facing away from traffic/the main feeder road? I can't think of another store like this (or I'm just not thinking very much or very hard).

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I'm sure they will plant trees there and it's laid out this way due to parking and the loading docks. I bet the houses towards Riveside did not want 18 wheelers constantly on their street etc. 

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4 hours ago, corbs315 said:

This is really coming along and looks like it'll be great! But question. It's going to be mooning the north-bound freeway with the ugly rear side, and you can't really see it from the south bound side. What was the reasoning for having the main entrance facing away from traffic/the main feeder road? I can't think of another store like this (or I'm just not thinking very much or very hard).

 They're working with the shape of the lot. They really couldn't orient it any other way. Perhaps if it was a two story store, they could've done things a bit differently on a smaller footprint.

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On 7/17/2019 at 12:47 PM, Original Timmy Chan's said:

 

Not trying to start an internet fight (but don't test me 😀), but...I always knew these "Museum District" and "Museum Park" areas as Third Ward when I was at UH back in the 90s.  

 

You're right that "technically" the HEB site was never Third Ward because it wasn't in the city back when the ward system ended.  But whether it was technically in the boundaries or not, it's always been considered Third Ward.  

 

Here's a blunt way of putting it.  The Third Ward was where Black people lived.  Once White people moved in, it became Museum Park or whatever.  Just like 2nd Ward became... Well, I don't even like to type the words but it's short for East Downtown.  And like how Freedmen's Town no longer exists, as an actual community or even a name anymore.

That's interesting but the area that the HEB is in was actually developed by a bunch of wealthy jewish citizens like the Sakowitz's the Weingatens, and many others back in the thirties and forties along Brays Bayou because they weren't allowed to live in River Oaks so I don't buy your argument. It's called Riverside Terrace.

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12 hours ago, bobruss said:

That's interesting but the area that the HEB is in was actually developed by a bunch of wealthy jewish citizens like the Sakowitz's the Weingatens, and many others back in the thirties and forties along Brays Bayou because they weren't allowed to live in River Oaks so I don't buy your argument. It's called Riverside Terrace.

 

You missed the part where he said they started calling it Third Ward when black people moved in. Yes, it may have been called Riverside Terrace while the area was predominantly white, but by the 70s and 80s and into the present day, it's been referred to as Third Ward, in addition to being called Riverside Terrace.  I've lived here for three decades and my family members have had a presence in this neighborhood for nearly 60 years. They were here when some of the wealthy Jewish residents were still here, and we've all known it as Riverside Terrace AND Third Ward. You know a place can have multiple identities over the years, right? 

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On 7/25/2019 at 3:37 PM, corbs315 said:

This is really coming along and looks like it'll be great! But question. It's going to be mooning the north-bound freeway with the ugly rear side, and you can't really see it from the south bound side. What was the reasoning for having the main entrance facing away from traffic/the main feeder road? I can't think of another store like this (or I'm just not thinking very much or very hard).

 

This is actually really interesting. I assumed that since it was going to be next to the highway it would face the highway, but seems like they really want to show that they are a neighborhood grocer. Thats a big change. Essentially they are saying that their connection to the neighborhood is more important for them than the passerby on the highway. Great move, in my opinion. This is why I like HEB. They are the one grocer that is making a serious stab at being THE community grocer. While I think they have gotten a bit copy/paste with their latest stores and just borrowing the materials they used on the Montrose store, they are staying serious about proximity/priority being the community that they are going to serve. At the end of the day thats most important.

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Beautiful. I will say in furtherance of my talking about the weird facing of the store, I realized when I went to HEB on Dunlavy yesterday that of course it moons its main thoroughfare (Alabama) and that certainly isn't hurting it. Just thinkin out loud.

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2 hours ago, corbs315 said:

I realized when I went to HEB on Dunlavy yesterday that of course it moons its main thoroughfare (Alabama) and that certainly isn't hurting it.


West Alabama, not Alabama.

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HEB colors on the western wall.

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Front entrance.

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Overhanging.

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Lake HEB.

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