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Hi all, there was word that San Jacinto St. would be extended to Fulton/Burnett through the Hardy Yards sites. Whatever became of that? I see many pdfs and articles from 2010. I guess the project died out?

 

 

http://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/get-involved/about/hearings-meetings/houston/n-san-jac-102710.html

 

http://www.houstontx.gov/ecodev/tirz/21.html

 

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Maybe the delay has something to do with the North Houston Highway Improvement Project. Perhaps they have to redesign the extension to accommodate future access to the new feeder roads from N. San Jacinto while also making sure the highway will be built high enough to clear the N. San Jacinto overpass over Hardy Yards.

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Maybe the delay has something to do with the North Houston Highway Improvement Project. Perhaps they have to redesign the extension to accommodate future access to the new feeder roads from N. San Jacinto while also making sure the highway will be built high enough to clear the N. San Jacinto overpass over Hardy Yards.

 

I'd like to think it's b/c of this.

 

I am, however, pessimistic. I really think, in true Houston fashion, that they just ran out of $ and didn't plan for a contingency.

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Maybe the delay has something to do with the North Houston Highway Improvement Project. Perhaps they have to redesign the extension to accommodate future access to the new feeder roads from N. San Jacinto while also making sure the highway will be built high enough to clear the N. San Jacinto overpass over Hardy Yards.

 

I'd like to think that they'd consider a tunnel rather than a bridge structure for a San Jacinto extension, just like the Hernandez Tunnel for Main. Not sure what the cost comparision would be. The Hardy Yards developer could likely even keep much of the park they have on the site plan in the ROW south of Leona.

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I'd like to think that they'd consider a tunnel rather than a bridge structure for a San Jacinto extension, just like the Hernandez Tunnel for Main. Not sure what the cost comparision would be. The Hardy Yards developer could likely even keep much of the park they have on the site plan in the ROW south of Leona.

 

Based on their previous work, they said a tunnel wasn't feasible. They would have to build a bridge with a steep grade.

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Based on their previous work, they said a tunnel wasn't feasible. They would have to build a bridge with a steep grade.

 

Perhaps the tunnel would be feasible now? The public meeting was back in 2010; not sure when studies were conducted. Conditions have changed, instead of multiple tracks to cross, there's just one now. The only reason I could think to build a bridge rather than a tunnel just as was done at Main so many decades ago, would be because of the prohibited cost of any ground pollution, much the same situation as with the Green line. Engineering cost constraints likely aren't the issue here with just one track above. A tunnel would also have more favorable height characteristics for TxDOT's 45 reconstruction plans.

 

One would think that the Hardy Yards folks would dedicate the ROW to the city--especially if they could keep much of their future planned park above such a tunnel. With a bridge structure no such park would have an opportunity to exist in that space.

 

Even south of the track you might expect the Wilson property folks (I believe the alignment would cross property within their plat) to dedicate their part of the needed ROW without cost by simply exchanging the needed land for a closure of Chapman (north of Conti). Realigning Lyons with Naylor may even be beneficial to both the property owners and the city at the same time--depending upon TxDOT's I-45 plans of course. A San Jac extension by itself should increase the Wilson property's value--seems like a good reason to dedicate the needed ROW, especially if the Chapman closure was thrown in.

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After looking into this a little further, it seems clear the plan for extending San Jacinto has not been abandoned.  The plan has never been funded, and AFAIK no one has yet identified a funding source or gotten it into a 5-year Capital plan or anything.  But it is still in the city's transportation plan.

 

Also, the Hardy Yards plans posted in the Hardy Yards Development thread pretty clearly contemplate the extension.

 

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Well, the real reason I brought up this discussion is that the Hardy Yards streets that have been built already...they appear to not support a San Jacinto St. extension. Based on that rendering, they should have at least kept a dead end at that corner for a future extension, right? Well, they simply curved that corner so it made me wonder if this is even happening anymore. True, they can easily tear up a curb and attach a road there but just made me wonder....

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Well, the real reason I brought up this discussion is that the Hardy Yards streets that have been built already...they appear to not support a San Jacinto St. extension. Based on that rendering, they should have at least kept a dead end at that corner for a future extension, right? Well, they simply curved that corner so it made me wonder if this is even happening anymore. True, they can easily tear up a curb and attach a road there but just made me wonder....

 

Which corner did they curve?

 

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Which corner did they curve?

 

 

I guess you would call it the Fulton extension. You can even see the curve in Google satellite maps. It curves to the east. But, I guess based on Sparrow's post, looks like the city still has plans for it.

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The Fulton/San Jac connection wasn't constructed alongside the other Hardy Yards improvements due to objections from Union Pacific. That's why the Main Street tunnel was shortened and a new intersection with Burnett was created instead. Not sure if it'll be attempted in the future but it seems very difficult politically, as most things are with the railroads.

 

Source: have had some exposure to the project at work

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5 hours ago, lithiumaneurysm said:

The Fulton/San Jac connection wasn't constructed alongside the other Hardy Yards improvements due to objections from Union Pacific. That's why the Main Street tunnel was shortened and a new intersection with Burnett was created instead. Not sure if it'll be attempted in the future but it seems very difficult politically, as most things are with the railroads.

 

Source: have had some exposure to the project at work

 

I think that is kinda sorta correct.  The San Jacinto extension to Fulton has been delayed because of cost.  A combination of the cost of meeting the UPRR's requirements and obtaining the right of way between the UPRR and the current I-10.  That lack of connectivity helped to push along the reconfiguration of Main and Burnett so that Hardy Yards and the Burnett Transit Center were accessible.  It remains on the city's plans (and the relocation of I-10/I-45 through that area may actually make it easier as it might take care of the right-of-way acquisition costs...

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Fascinating insight. Well, the city did get back to me about the future extension:

 

 

The Hardy Yards development did dedicate and record ROW for a future Fulton/San Jacinto extension. You can see the ROW alignment in the screenshot below. The HCAD records for the recroded ROW now show that the ROW is owned by the City of Houston.

 

From what I remember, the roadway has not been built with the site, as it would currently not connect to anything. But the ROW is now owned by the City of Houston so that when the remainder of the ROW to the south is acquired or dedicated the roadway and connection to downtown can be built.

 

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