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Was just thinking that it might be useful to have a thread where seemingly "crazy" ideas can be discussed.

 

For example, this thought occurred to me - why don't they outright replace Mykawa Rd with a commuter rail line into Houston? It's currently underused, and there are several substantial benefits to this route:

 

1. Provides for a rail link between Downtown, Pearland and Hobby Airport (using a rail or shuttle link from that station)

2. Provides a high-speed connection between UH/TSU and Downtown/Pearland/Hobby. This could be particularly useful in attracting out-of-state students to these universities

3. Minimizes new infrastructure for cross streets, as it has already been built for the adjacent rail line

4. Minimizes the amount of cross-usage needed with the freight lines.

 

Your thoughts?

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Could be discussed in the Charette?  :)

 

Mods, please move there if appropriate. I started this one because the charrette isn't in the Trains forum, and has been dormant for some time.

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Mods, please move there if appropriate. I started this one because the charrette isn't in the Trains forum, and has been dormant for some time.

Breathe some fresh air into it!

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What is the difference in CRT and HRT on your map?  Looks like a nice start of network

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I like the idea, except I would move the crosstown line from the politically-infeasible Richmond corridor and move it up to Westheimer. Heck, if the engineering requires it, I wouldn't be opposed to converting Lower Westheimer into one-way or pedestrian-only traffic.

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Why not when they are ripping up westheimer for the drainage work just install a subway?  Cut and cover - and then it could hit all the good spots too

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Why not when they are ripping up westheimer for the drainage work just install a subway?  Cut and cover - and then it could hit all the good spots too

 

I'd like that too - but I'm not sure what the per mile cost would be.

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What is the difference in CRT and HRT on your map?  Looks like a nice start of network

 

The commuter rail is meant to serve areas outside of the beltway so the majority of the stops would be in the more distant suburbs. The red stations are supposed to be transfer stations.

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I like the idea, except I would move the crosstown line from the politically-infeasible Richmond corridor and move it up to Westheimer. Heck, if the engineering requires it, I wouldn't be opposed to converting Lower Westheimer into one-way or pedestrian-only traffic.

 

I figured that it would attract more riders if it passed through Greenway Plaza.

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I would love to see rail down westheimer. Elevated or subway would be preferred. Surface level would be a nightmare. There's way more business and residential along all of westheimer than richmond. Cant just build rail for greenway plaza. 

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Damn, I actually really like this idea if HSR doesn't get to downtown.  Light rail from NW Mall to downtown would take too long, so I like heavy rail there.  And I've always thought heavy rail should go all the way out Westheimer.  Also nice job of connecting Hobby to downtown without overlapping the existing light rail too much. 

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Full view.

 

To summarize, two hubs (east and west), heavy rail loop connecting them, commuter rail stops get more frequent outside of the beltway, and Pearland gets nothing because it's between two freight corridors and its about to get one of those tollway-inside of-freeway-inside of-avenue things and should be groovy for a while. Remaining railways get expanded and grade seperated to move chemicals and freight.

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Great map! A lot of these routes look familiar, in a good way. I might have to revisit some of my old doodles/translate the routes onto a more legit map.

what program did you use?

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Great map! A lot of these routes look familiar, in a good way. I might have to revisit some of my old doodles/translate the routes onto a more legit map.

what program did you use?

 

PowerPoint.

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we arent getting a subway in the galleria area, cmon guys lol. lets be real

 

Yeah, it would make too much sense. Instead of a train that gets people in and out of employment districts or to airports quickly, we will get another billion dollar bus line that, takes 10 years to plan, doesn't really go anywhere, takes commuters to where they don't live, and then leaders will point to it as evidence to why mass transit can never work in Houston.

 

Someone should tell these people that everything will be fine, Commuter trains still run on diesel, and people will still buy lots of gas for their cars.

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None of the above maps service the North Frwy corridor or the northern burbs. Goes to show just how of touch they are. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain that the North Frwy is either the first or second most congested in the city. It sure as hell isn't the Estex.

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None of the above maps service the North Frwy corridor or the northern burbs. Goes to show just how of touch they are. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain that the North Frwy is either the first or second most congested in the city. It sure as hell isn't the Estex.

 

I had read somewhere that certain hazardous freight can't share rail with passengers. Since that freight still needs to reach the port, it leaves no path for a commuter rail system to follow going north.

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I had read somewhere that certain hazardous freight can't share rail with passengers. Since that freight still needs to reach the port, it leaves no path for a commuter rail system to follow going north.

Aren't most of the park n rides on the west side of 45 anyways?

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I had read somewhere that certain hazardous freight can't share rail with passengers. Since that freight still needs to reach the port, it leaves no path for a commuter rail system to follow going north.

Which is crazy because hazardous freight goes through neighborhoods and next to schools all day long. But I guess because none of those people aren't commuters, it's OK.

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its sad because the only way this city ever becomes a world class city is by a better transit system. Instead we'll spend billions on expanding highways and nonsense. Sad , the worst part of it is that there is no light rail construction going anywhere in houston right now. We're contempt with our crappy transit

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Well there is the Harrisburg overpass (I assume) that is under construction. But, you point is noted. And it is a real shame that there really is no momentum in the system.

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Especially since once you stop construction everyone who had gotten experience working on the rail road is let go and they lose their workforce

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I mean seriously for a size if a city like Houston and the lack of train transit you'd think theyd be SOME new construction on a new line. Its so damn shameful

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More pressure needs to come from the mayor and one of our senators if they realy cared about houston future. It is just absolutely crazy to think that we have no new lines being developed in 2015 with houston transit system as it is now.

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Our mayor cannot do anything when you have a senator putting his thumb on the federal transportation budget specifically for light rail in his district.

Parker and other city officials were able to get the Red extension and the Purple and Green lines.

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Our mayor cannot do anything when you have a senator putting his thumb on the federal transportation budget specifically for light rail in his district.

Parker and other city officials were able to get the Red extension and the Purple and Green lines.

 

hes not a senator...........

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Yes you're right he's a congressman who still has the authority to do what I just said he does.

You're trying to argue semantics.

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we can still use non federal money to build the university line, if it went on a referendum now to get it build, itd definitively get voted yes. 

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It's what I would do if I got a zillion dollars but I really hate driving to the galleria

I do think Astros meant city money as opposed to federal funds

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There's no way close to a billion dollars can be spent on rail without the rest of the city raising an uproar on why that isn't being spent on roads. There's not a politician, left or right, that would try to push that without killing their career.

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just shows how backwards our city is, these radical commuter ideas are all awesome but their atleast a century away with our citys mindsets.

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That's your opinion. Houston is not a "backwards city" by any means. It is a city that doesn't need a bunch of ants scurrying to a central hive to get business done. It's the wave of the future.

 

If someone decides commuter rail is viable, it will get built.

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just shows how backwards our city is, these radical commuter ideas are all awesome but their atleast a century away with our citys mindsets.

A century? You do know how long that is right?

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