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10 hours ago, SkylineView said:

Has the project broken ground on 288?

Yes it's going up super fast near 610. I didn't know they could build roads like that.

Wonder why they couldn't get the same crew on 290...

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Oh and taking a train is just stupid. By the time you find a way to the station and wait for the train to show up, you could've sat in traffic and not paid to use the road(although that is rapidly becoming less of an option with the proliferation of tolls)

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On 1/16/2017 at 8:34 PM, Ross said:

Because the citizens of the great state of Texas hate taxes. Even when they are for something as useful as a freeway.

 

Our schools have failed us.

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On 1/17/2017 at 1:24 PM, VinnyVincent said:

Get real. Have you overheard any of the discussions our officials have regarding road construction?

The idea of making a non-tolled road is not even remotely on the table. 

 

IMO they all need to be replaced with their kind of thinking.

 

 

I'm EFFIN surprised they havent started tolling RESIDENTIAL streets yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

"well... there just isnt money in our 4.17 billion dollar budget so... lets start tolling residential streets.... "

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16 hours ago, VinnyVincent said:

Yes it's going up super fast near 610. I didn't know they could build roads like that.

Wonder why they couldn't get the same crew on 290...

 

I'm sure 290 wouldn't be an issue if they had right of way ready to go from day one. Or if they didn't have to rebuild the entire highway as part of the project. Or if while doing that they also had to keep 7 lanes or so open for the freeway. Or if the highway was sunken and they didn't have to build new overpasses. Or if.........you see where I'm going, right?

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5 hours ago, IronTiger said:

 

I'm sure 290 wouldn't be an issue if they had right of way ready to go from day one. Or if they didn't have to rebuild the entire highway as part of the project. Or if while doing that they also had to keep 7 lanes or so open for the freeway. Or if the highway was sunken and they didn't have to build new overpasses. Or if.........you see where I'm going, right?

 

Or if the contractor doing part of it didn't go bankrupt

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7 hours ago, IronTiger said:

 

I'm sure 290 wouldn't be an issue if they had right of way ready to go from day one. Or if they didn't have to rebuild the entire highway as part of the project. Or if while doing that they also had to keep 7 lanes or so open for the freeway. Or if the highway was sunken and they didn't have to build new overpasses. Or if.........you see where I'm going, right?

No I don't really see where you are going. See unlike some of the "experts" commenting on these threads; I actually live/commute not just in Houston, but on 290 and 288 daily.

Even AFTER they had 290 ripped up and started paving... it's taken them longer to simply flatten out the surface than it has for the 288 crew to pave the entire road.

 

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1 hour ago, VinnyVincent said:

No I don't really see where you are going. See unlike some of the "experts" commenting on these threads; I actually live/commute not just in Houston, but on 290 and 288 daily.

Even AFTER they had 290 ripped up and started paving... it's taken them longer to simply flatten out the surface than it has for the 288 crew to pave the entire road.

 

290 required far more work than 288 just to get ready. There were right of way issues and acquisitions, and the need to keep the freeway open while building the new lanes, which requires massive amounts of extra work. It's a good thing you weren't here when I-10 East was being rebuilt in the 70's and 80's, because it made 290 look like a cakewalk.

1 hour ago, VinnyVincent said:

I guess that's not an issue 1.4 million a day is the kind of money these guys paying the bills will be making...

 

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Toll-road-authority-doubles-as-bank-for-county-4083949.php

HCTRA would have had the same issues as TxDOT did on 290 with a contractor going bankrupt and being removed from the project. That set that particular stretch of road back by about a year, as the issues were resolved with the bonding company and the search for a new contractor.

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2 minutes ago, Ross said:

290 required far more work than 288 just to get ready. There were right of way issues and acquisitions, and the need to keep the freeway open while building the new lanes, which requires massive amounts of extra work. It's a good thing you weren't here when I-10 East was being rebuilt in the 70's and 80's, because it made 290 look like a cakewalk.

HCTRA would have had the same issues as TxDOT did on 290 with a contractor going bankrupt and being removed from the project. That set that particular stretch of road back by about a year, as the issues were resolved with the bonding company and the search for a new contractor.

I understand that 290 was more work to clear and get ready. What I am saying is that even AFTER it was all cleared and "ready"...the process to simply level out the road has taken them longer than the 288 crew to level and pave the road. A lot longer.

 

You drive by the 288 construction zone and it's actively being worked on with a decent staff of workers.

In contrast 290 seems to have empty equipment sitting there for weeks at a time and overall the whole operation just seems totally unprofessional and amatuerish compared to the 288 job.

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3 hours ago, VinnyVincent said:

No I don't really see where you are going. See unlike some of the "experts" commenting on these threads; I actually live/commute not just in Houston, but on 290 and 288 daily.

Even AFTER they had 290 ripped up and started paving... it's taken them longer to simply flatten out the surface than it has for the 288 crew to pave the entire road.

 

 

So you're saying the 288 crew has already paved the entire road?  Wow!  That WAS fast work.

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They're working pretty fast. The columns for the 610 interchange have started going up as well as the new center bents for the Bellfort overpass.

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Work is steadily moving along. I haven't been south of 610 in a while, but from what I've seen, they've laid down pavement for the toll lanes between 610 and Yellowstone. All of the columns are just about complete for the 610 interchange and the columns for the Holly Hall overpass are up. Columns are going up for the ramps to and from Holcombe and they've started work on widening the overpasses at Blodgett, Wheeler, and Cleburne. I've seen some orange barrels going on up the Southmore overpass, which is going to be replaced. Funny thing is some group, possibly the Greater Southeast Management District, had the esplanade of Southmore at 288 landscaped with new aggregate cobblestone pavement just a few weeks ago. I thought it was odd knowing that it would be ripped up soon. A few days after it was completed, it was ripped up. I wonder how much that error cost?

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Like the stupid idea to landscape the 288 median years back they should have landscaped the sides of the freeway.

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On 10/24/2017 at 5:43 PM, kennyc05 said:

Like the stupid idea to landscape the 288 median years back they should have landscaped the sides of the freeway.

Those trees prevented rubbernecking slow downs when there was a wreck on the opposite side of the freeway. At least they lasted over 10 years. I'm hoping some of them will stay because the entire median won't be utilized for toll lanes in that section.

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3 hours ago, Twitter1 said:

610 East is down to one lane right now? Sounds like a nightmare during rush hour.

I don't think it's down to one lane. Anytime it's down to one lane it's past 9 or 10pm and usually back open to 3 or so lanes by 5am.

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Photos taken 29-October-201720171029-0003-1600.thumb.jpg.2cdb23618fa9585774f7cbb753536f9b.jpg

Looking north from Holly Hall

 

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Looking north from Holly Hall

 

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Looking north from Yellowstone, with the piers for the connection to Holcombe visible

 

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Looking north from Yellowstone

 

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Looking north from Holcombe, with rebar forms for the piers for the connection to Holcombe visible on the ground.

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I was driving south down 288 near 610 today and saw a sign that said a traffic shift was coming up this weekend. I think this is going to be the first instance of traffic using the new concrete pavement as I could see crews putting up center barriers on the newly laid pavement in the middle.

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I assume Burger King gets demo'd for the direct connector ramps? Well. I need to see the Gulf/Ace Hardware too soon as that seems to be on the hit list as well. Where are the site plans for this?

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14 hours ago, IronTiger said:

I assume Burger King gets demo'd for the direct connector ramps? Well. I need to see the Gulf/Ace Hardware too soon as that seems to be on the hit list as well. Where are the site plans for this?

The Burger King is staying. The ramp will curve around and enter Holcombe where Ardmore St. is now.

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On 11/13/2017 at 11:24 AM, Triton said:

Does anyone have the schematics for this project? Think we had mentioned it before here previously.

 

Are the latest on this page in the schematic section? Most are dated 2013.

 

http://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/projects/studies/houston/sh288-toll-lanes/project-documents.html

I haven't seen any newer schematics besides the ones dated 2013. I do know that the interchange with 288 is going to be different than what the schematics provide. For one thing, the schematics show Holly Hall being depressed and 288 going over it, but as of now, a new Holly Hall overpass over 288 is under construction. 

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On 11/15/2017 at 1:53 AM, JLWM8609 said:

I haven't seen any newer schematics besides the ones dated 2013. I do know that the interchange with 288 is going to be different than what the schematics provide. For one thing, the schematics show Holly Hall being depressed and 288 going over it, but as of now, a new Holly Hall overpass over 288 is under construction. 

pun intended??!!!

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On 11/15/2017 at 1:53 AM, JLWM8609 said:

as of now, a new Holly Hall overpass over 288 is under construction. 

 

13 hours ago, samagon said:

pun intended??!!!

 

Probably not... "the overpass is going up" would be the dad joke (or worse, the uncle joke).

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I was at the Almeda Post Office yesterday and saw some door hangers laid out on a counter that said the Southmore Blvd. overpass at 288 will be closed for 12-18 months for demolition and reconstruction starting in January 2018. Traffic crossing 288 on Southmore will have to detour to Blodgett or Calumet/Binz depending on direction of travel. I'm surprised that they can't construct the new overpass while the current overpass is standing like they're doing over at the Holly Hall overpass.

 

Garnet Coleman addresses the closure in his column: http://stylemagazine.com/news/2017/dec/06/coleman-chronicles-southmore-blvd-bridge-highway-c/

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So, it looks like the "express lanes" construction also involves a total rebuild of the 288/610 interchange. This includes a temporary situation where the 288 S exit (eastbound) from 610 has gone from its 2013 reconstruction (two lanes splitting off from 610 to two lanes on 288 instead of one lane turning into two) to a scary exit-only lane with a really sharp turn. The original 288 interchange wasn't bad in itself (unless you were a truck with a penchant for going too fast), with the only most obnoxious part having the 288 North exit being BEFORE the 288 South exit, if you were going eastbound on 610. Westbound made a little more sense, with the traditional "exit and split" routine seen at the other interchanges. The rebuild seems to place the ramps at the same level and does not address the fact that the westbound 610 frontage road is not contiguous.

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Went down 288 recently, and the construction stretches all the way past beltway 8.  Their actually creating an interchange and beltway 8 (as opposed to exit and sit at a light), and the widening of the road seems to continue for miles after. 

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They demolished all the greenery in the median between Southmore and Binz/Calumet yesterday. I wondered why they planted those trees there in the first place in 2006 knowing that toll lanes would cause them to be ripped out in the not too distant future. One thing I liked about the greenery was that it eliminated rubbernecking when there was an accident on the opposing side.

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it's quite sad actually, that freeway was one of the most beautiful in all of Houston, especially when all the wildflowers were doing their thing.

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On 2/15/2018 at 2:26 PM, JLWM8609 said:

They demolished all the greenery in the median between Southmore and Binz/Calumet yesterday. I wondered why they planted those trees there in the first place in 2006 knowing that toll lanes would cause them to be ripped out in the not too distant future. One thing I liked about the greenery was that it eliminated rubbernecking when there was an accident on the opposing side.

 

1 hour ago, samagon said:

it's quite sad actually, that freeway was one of the most beautiful in all of Houston, especially when all the wildflowers were doing their thing.

Wasn't a fan of the trees in the median. They should have been planted on the sides!

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At the 610 Interchange, they actually have the southbound traffic on the new toll lanes - they're nice.  Looks like its going to be EZ-tag only - and where the scanners are there's a sign saying tolls not active

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South more bridge came down last night or this morning. It was in a crumpled mass. Saw it from the Binz overpass at noon today.

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An interesting thing I've noticed is that it appears the toll lanes are going to have a slight bank in the curve just north of Brays Bayou. The mainlanes stay pretty flat on the same curve. I guess design standards have changed since the 70s when the 288 mainlanes were originally engineered?

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Quite possible.  I wonder what the design speed of the mainlanes v the new toll lanes is

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18 hours ago, cspwal said:

Quite possible.  I wonder what the design speed of the mainlanes v the new toll lanes is

 

288's mainlanes have a 60 mph speed limit in that area, but they were probably designed with a 55 MPH design speed since the schematics for that section date from the mid 70s when the national 55 mph speed limit was in effect. I wouldn't be surprised if the toll lanes are designed for a 65 or even 70 mph speed limit.

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288's mainlanes look like they're being rebuilt anyway, so "designed for 55" isn't an issue. If it was just the toll roads, the main lanes wouldn't be a mess at all, save for some nightly closures on the inner lanes, at best. The original 610/288 interchange, which is being rebuilt as well, had some ramps "stubbed out" for future connections.

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4 hours ago, cspwal said:

I didn't realize they were also rebuilding the mainlanes

 

I don't think they are, generally.  I think maybe just in places where relocation is necessary.

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21 hours ago, IronTiger said:

288's mainlanes look like they're being rebuilt anyway, so "designed for 55" isn't an issue. If it was just the toll roads, the main lanes wouldn't be a mess at all, save for some nightly closures on the inner lanes, at best. The original 610/288 interchange, which is being rebuilt as well, had some ramps "stubbed out" for future connections.

 

Not necessarily. The schematics I've seen for the project don't show the mainlanes being rebuilt. The mainlanes may be a mess in some places where they have to shift the traffic to make room for construction of the toll lanes. Once they're done with the project, most of those mainlanes will be restriped to their original condition or possibly given an asphalt overlay. 

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On 11/12/2017 at 10:04 AM, IronTiger said:

I need to see the Gulf/Ace Hardware too soon as that seems to be on the hit list as well. Where are the site plans for this?

 

FYI: The Gulf/Ace Hardware is getting ready to close in preparation of the new ramp. Employees don't know when the closure is happening, just that it'll be "any day". Everything in the Ace  Hardware portion of the store is 25% off.

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