houstontexasjack Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Wow. That really escalated. That really got out of hand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mfastx Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 To play devil's advocate, while downtown is not directly under the "normal" pattern for HOU, I do recall being on a flight that came in really late and flew literally right over downtown. And the buildings were quite close to my recollection. That being said, I agree that there shouldn't be a height limit/restrictions at all downtown, it is hardly necessary to go over downtown to get to HOU. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Short version:Downtown doesn't affect the flight paths as much as a tower in the museum district. Long version:Downtown is partly inside the surface segment of Hobby's bravo airspace (the restricted airspace for just controlled traffic arriving or departing), which starts is usually 8 nm from the airport (about 9.2 miles). West of Louisiana and North of a east/west line from Rusk @ Louisiana to Ruiz @ Chenevert, Downtown is not in the surface airspace. The museum district fully inside the airspace, and it's also on the extended center-line from runway 12. The proposed tower would only be 4 blocks away from where an ideal approach would guide a plane in from the northwest. I suspect the FAA is much more inclined to modify the turning approaches coming into the runway (the ones that curve around downtown right now) compared to a straight in approach; that is the kind that might have to be done with a plane that doesn't have as many instruments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Short version:Downtown doesn't affect the flight paths as much as a tower in the museum district.Long version:Downtown is partly inside the surface segment of Hobby's bravo airspace (the restricted airspace for just controlled traffic arriving or departing), which starts is usually 8 nm from the airport (about 9.2 miles). West of Louisiana and North of a east/west line from Rusk @ Louisiana to Ruiz @ Chenevert, Downtown is not in the surface airspace.The museum district fully inside the airspace, and it's also on the extended center-line from runway 12. The proposed tower would only be 4 blocks away from where an ideal approach would guide a plane in from the northwest. I suspect the FAA is much more inclined to modify the turning approaches coming into the runway (the ones that curve around downtown right now) compared to a straight in approach; that is the kind that might have to be done with a plane that doesn't have as many instrumentsThis is still dumb, neither should affect either.If countless airliners a day can fly right over Manhattan with its 1,776 ft tall freedom tower why can't our planes just do the same and fly OVER any tall buildings we build? Key word, OVER. As in, even if the proposed skyscraper is DIRECTLY IN THE FLIGHT PATH TO HOBBY, you still simply fly OVER it, I can think of no reason why any craft would have to dip as low as 1,000 ft (our tallest building) and below to land in Southeast Houston.It's nonsensical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 This is still dumb, neither should affect either.If countless airliners a day can fly right over Manhattan with its 1,776 ft tall freedom tower why can't our planes just do the same and fly OVER any tall buildings we build?Key word, OVER. As in, even if the proposed skyscraper is DIRECTLY IN THE FLIGHT PATH TO HOBBY, you still simply fly OVER it, I can think of no reason why any craft would have to dip as low as 1,000 ft (our tallest building) and below to land in Southeast Houston.It's nonsensical. First off, when you're landing in New York and do the beautiful flyover of Times Square at night, you're still 11 nautical miles from JFK. You're only 5 nautical miles from LGA though, so I'm sure the FAA makes a fuss in NYC too. Second, when you approach for landing, you can't drop down too fast (passengers would complain) so you typically approach at 3º. When you're a fast jet, that means that you're descent through the last 2000 feet can take a surprising amount of time. According to the published approach for Hobby's runway 12R (the one that the museum district is on the center-line of) you have to maintain 2000 feet above sea level until 5.9 nautical miles out from the runway threshold. This point is over TSU, so theoretically, a tower in the museum district wouldn't affect that glide path - that 2000' should be more than 1000' above the tower top. That does explain why the FAA complained about a proposed downtown tower taller than 1000' - they would have to modify their approaches to have a different step down procedure. No one likes change I guess. So to summarize, yes a plane can fly over a building, but you need to do so by at least 1000' usually, and the FAA errs on the side of safety. I was wrong thinking that this tower would interrupt the glide path at the proposed height though. But at least I found a place online to find approach plate for free 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AREJAY Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Well, it looks like the http://www.pjararchitects.com/#!museo-plaza/cem1 link is now dead. The renderings are no longer found listed in the projects section either... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllenOlenska Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Too much talk. We scared it away. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 New Orleans is just as hot as Houston and people walk around there every day all day. I was just there not too long ago and no one seemed to care how hot it was. Houston just needs more walkable and pedestrian friendly districts. It's easier to complain about the heat when you are walking by 5 blocks worth of parking lots as compared to stores, shops and cafes. We will get there.Nola is hotter than Houston 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris2 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Well, it looks like the http://www.pjararchitects.com/#!museo-plaza/cem1 link is now dead. The renderings are no longer found listed in the projects section either... I checked again and it's still dead.....damn, I really liked this tower too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted October 21, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2015 They didn't think this would gain attention, which is why the images were taken down. You can still see them in my OP. Firm Profile page was updated recently: http://www.pjararchitects.com/#!about/c10fk Philip Johnson Alan Ritchie Architects is a New York Professional Corporation which was established in 1994. The firm also includes an in-house interior design group, and opened an architectural office in Houston, Texas in 2012. The Texas office is currently working on two luxury apartment towers and a large mixed use project in the Museum District of Houston. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Neat-o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Glad to see this still has life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris2 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Thank god!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) ^^^ superb! the MUSEO PLAZA TOWER is simply gorgeous! Edited October 21, 2015 by monarch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate4l1f3 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 They didn't think this would gain attention, which is why the images were taken down. You can still see them in my OP.Firm Profile page was updated recently:http://www.pjararchitects.com/#!about/c10fkhaha how could it not gain attention? They must not read HAIF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elseed Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 So is this still happening? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris2 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Seems like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cranky Posted January 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2016 This is still a possibility. The developer is asking the city to abandon Palm street as depicted in the renderings. The NIMBYs are are starting to band together 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share Posted January 8, 2016 Thanks cranky -- welcome to the forum! Who's the developer behind this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranky Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Don't know the developer at this point but I will post updates to this thread 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 This is still a possibility. The developer is asking the city to abandon Palm street as depicted in the renderings. The NIMBYs are are starting to band together Any way I can help bank YIMBY's to counteract them? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranky Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Any way I can help bank YIMBY's to counteract them? I suppose you could write the councilman (District D Dwight Boykin) to express support of abandoning Palm St., just like the folks who are writing him to express opposition. He may only be interested in feedback from only Museum District residence. But please go ahead and give it a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranky Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 It looks TBG Partners (aka Vernon G Henry & Associates) requested the abandonment of Palm St 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 It looks TBG Partners (aka Vernon G Henry & Associates) requested the abandonment of Palm StHey my fellow landscape architect brothers! Sorry I don't have the hook up on insider info here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) I suppose you could write the councilman (District D Dwight Boykin) to express support of abandoning Palm St., just like the folks who are writing him to express opposition. He may only be interested in feedback from only Museum District residence. But please go ahead and give it a shot Will do. I live in his district and will rally my neighbors.Edit: At least I will try to drum up support. Edited January 9, 2016 by houstontexasjack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownproud Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Interesting. I get that it's in district d, but I'm surprised it isn't district c that is complaining. District d has trash dumps and the astrodome in it -- seems like their resources would be better spent addressing those issues. Edited January 9, 2016 by htownproud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted April 6, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2016 Subdivision plat filed for this one! SubdivisionPlatPDF_MuseoPlaza_PLAT.pdf 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pragmatist Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Oh man, I forgot which on this was. I was afraid it was that 1980's post modern-meets-Tim Burton tower that was posted a while back. Edited April 6, 2016 by The Pragmatist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 26 minutes ago, Urbannizer said: Subdivision plat filed for this one! SubdivisionPlatPDF_MuseoPlaza_PLAT.pdf Urb.. April fools was 5 days ago. Don't tease us like this! Heh. Is this still moving forward as originally envisioned? This would be absolutely amazing.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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