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With the exception of New York, I am not aware of any city with 3 large passenger airline airports.  Besides, Houston airport system already includes 3 airports.

London and Tokyo. Chicago's trying to build a third major one while also expanding O'Hare.

Having two major airports was one of the reasons Boeing chose Chicago over Dallas when it moved its headquarters out of Seattle.

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Yes but see we've got to loo into the future.

In 20 years from now we don't want to be stuck in airplane gridlock when we could have prevented it 20 years earlier just like our freeway gridlock.

That's why there is a master plan for IAH that includes several additional runways and major expansions of passenger and cargo facilities.

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That's why there is a master plan for IAH that includes several additional runways and major expansions of passenger and cargo facilities.

Another city with three major airports: Washington, DC.

One thing IAH really needs to do is fix the inter-terminal transportation system. That little train is a joke. On those occasions when it works, you could almost walk the same distance faster.

Houston has done a good job of keeping Bush for long distance flights and Hobby for regional flights like IAD/DCA and ORD/MDW do.

Something that New York has been phasing in slowly is the notion of even further airport segregation. In the Port Authroity's eyes Newark (EWR) should be for domestic flights, Kennedy (JFK) should be for international flights and LaGuardia (LGA) should be for cargo. There was some resistance at first, but with Southwest now flying out of Suffolk County, the people on Long Island are complaining less.

Houston could do something similar. Make Bush for Domestic/International flights, Hobby for regional flights, and Ellington for cargo. I know one of the big freight companies (I think UPS) already does all of its work out of Ellington. Everyone else should be encouraged to move there, too.

Here's another idea:

Have Ellington exclusively for cargo and corporate jets.

Have Hobby for Southwest and other regional flights

Have a new Hobby-sized international airport south of Katy that handles just flights to Mexico and South America.

Have Bush pick up everything else.

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You are correct!  Fly Hooters Air into beautiful Gary Airport!

http://www.garychicagoairport.com/

Yeah, Gary/Chicago is something else. Southeast Airlines operated out of there until they went out of business a couple of months ago. I think Hooters and Casino Express are the only commerical operators left there. But at least I can fly Hooters from beautiful Gary, Indiana non-stop to the equally beautiful Allentown, PA!

The airport I was actually thinking of is the proposed Peotone airport out in the corn fields of the south suburbs. The mayor is ready to run a new subway line to it if it happens, but people in the north suburba, where O'Hare is, are fighting it fearing it will drain money from them. Nevermind that O'Hare is operating above capacity and the city needs a new airport. It's all politics.

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Actually, I didn't know Hooter's Air was still operating. I guess that do have wings instead of breasts at that place :D

The Destinations Map isn't that bad if you are on the east coast and want to go to Florida, Colorado or Las Vegas.

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I'd have Hobby for regional,Intercontinetal for Nation, and teh new Wstside for International/major us cites and cargo.

Ellington would be a good place for private jets.

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I really don't see the logic of segregating airport traffic by national, regional, cargo etc. Wouldn't it make more sense to separate by carrier? In a hub system airports are used to efficiently transfer people between local, national, and international flights. Wouldn't segregating by trip type hurt the efficiency of the system? I wouldn't want to fly into IAH from Toronto and then have to somehow get to Hobby to continue on Continental to San Antonio. Doing that kind of segregation in NYC would really inconvenience a lot of people. If you live in northern NJ, you really don't want to have to go to JFK when EWR is close by.

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ALLENTOWN ROCKS!!!!

I think it is important to look at the growth that is occuring in the city. We don't need any airports on the North East or South side of Houston. These parts of the city are already served by their respective airports. The talk of the Westside airport was shot down by environmentalists over concerns of migratory birds. I don't have a clue as to a location, but maybe somewhere between I-10 and I-59. It does not have to be a huge airport, but large enough for a few carriers to get to a few select cities.

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I don't have a clue as to a location, but maybe somewhere between I-10 and I-59.

I agree. There seems to be a large, open space at Beachnut and Harlem . Feeder streets from the east would include Westheimer, Bellaire, Bissonnet and the Westpark Tollroad. That area is right between I-10 and Hwy59. And it would be adjacent to the Grand Parkway.

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This is a funny topic. Hey, max concrete, you around? Maybe you can tell these fine folks how much it costs to build a simple runway..... Well, in case he isn't, the price tag on the latest runway at IAH was $300,000,000.00. That's just the runway itself folks. The work being done at IAH and Hobby total 2.9 billion dollars. After that little dip into the federal cookie jar, it will be a while before Houston will be allowed back at the feeding trough.

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This is a funny topic. Hey, max concrete, you around? Maybe you can tell these fine folks how much it costs to build a simple runway..... Well, in case he isn't, the price tag on the latest runway at IAH was $300,000,000.00. That's just the runway itself folks. The work being done at IAH and Hobby total 2.9 billion dollars. After that little dip into the federal cookie jar, it will be a while before Houston will be allowed back at the feeding trough.

No doubt about it, this would be a very expensive undertaking. Building something like this would take years and hundreds of millions of dollars. I think it is something we are going to need sooner than later. We all knows what happens when you wait to the last minute.

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What about Galveston's Airport? Already exsists - could serve international flights to the Carribean and domestic flights for Southwest ect.... Not to mention it would be a huge employment statistic for the City of Galveston. Plus you could realistically run transit from IAH-HOU-GAL(?)

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the price tag on the latest runway at IAH was $300,000,000.00

Shoot, with all the undocumented workers we have in Houston that we could hire for next to nothing, we should be able to build those runways for a couple of thou apiece!

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IAH is the 10th busiest airport in the U.S. for total passengers. And we're ready to relegate it to the status of a rusty dump heap like Houston Hobby? Because it's 25 years old? Chicago's O'Hare airport is 50 years old and Chicago's Midway airport is 77 years old. Wouldn't it make more sense to renovate it? I used to live in Katy and it was a hike to either Houston airport, but not so bad in non-rush hour, and especially if using the toll road, and definitely not anywhere as bad as the many folks in the DC area who have trek on to BWI to fly Southwest. A rail line would help. Driving in and out of Katy has all kinds of problems right now, not just to and from the airport.

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I really don't see the logic of segregating airport traffic by national, regional, cargo etc.  Wouldn't it make more sense to separate by carrier?  In a hub system airports are used to efficiently transfer people between local, national, and international flights.  Wouldn't segregating by trip type hurt the efficiency of the system?  I wouldn't want to fly into IAH from Toronto and then have to somehow get to Hobby to continue on Continental to San Antonio.  Doing that kind of segregation in NYC would really inconvenience a lot of people.  If you live in northern NJ, you really don't want to have to go to JFK when EWR is close by.

New York's segregation was based on the locations of the airports.

JFK is farthest east, and therefore best suited to trans-Atlantic flights.

LGA is closest to Manhattan and to rail lines, so it speeds up moving freight.

EWR has the most room for expansion, so it can handle additional passenger load.

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IAH is the 10th busiest airport in the U.S. for total passengers.  And we're ready to relegate it to the status of a rusty dump heap like Houston Hobby?  Because it's 25 years old?

IAH is actually more like 35 years old (I'm pretty sure it opened in 1969) but you still make a valid point.

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I just googles la airports the first listing says LAX, Ontario, Van Nuys and Palmdale airports.

here is the link 

http://www.lawa.org/welcomeLAWA.html

Well, I lived in L.A. for 5 years (im now in NYC) and I've flown into these airports, which are in the vicinity:

LAX, Burbank, Ontario, John Wayne, Long Beach, and Santa Monica. THere seems to be several smaller ones as well.

What about expanding Ellington Field?

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This is a funny topic. Hey, max concrete, you around?

I just want to mention that building an airport in Addicks reservoir was considered in the 1950s but was rejected due to the high cost of landfill, compromise of flood control capability, and flight patterns over urbanized areas (Spring Branch). If it couldn't be done in an era where environmental issues were not considered, you surely couldn't do it today.

Runways are expensive, no doubt. Still, $300 million may seem like a bargain compared to the $1.1-1.2 billion Seattle is forking over for their new runway.

http://www.portseattle.org/seatac/expansio...ayfaq.shtml#ten

Chicago's modernization plan is projected to cost around $8 billion, and most of that is going toward runway realignment.

If Houston ever needs another commercial airport, I vote for Sugar Land airport. Still, I would be very surprised if that ever happens.

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I just want to mention that building an airport in Addicks reservoir was considered in the 1950s but was rejected due to the high cost of landfill, compromise of flood control capability, and flight patterns over urbanized areas (Spring Branch). If it couldn't be done in an era where environmental issues were not considered, you surely couldn't do it today.

If Houston ever needs another commercial airport, I vote for Sugar Land airport. Still, I would be very surprised if that ever happens.

I agree that Sugar Land would be the best place, but what about my suggestion of building the airport at the Addicks reservoir on stilts. I think a large track of land to the north of the Addicks reservoir is industrial. So a flight plan could go over that or just over the near by I- 10 or belt.

and as for the enviromental concerns I think since we already took the time to disrupt natural water ways for flood control and that basicly created a man made enviroment that deserves to be perserved but it could work if the runway was on stilts

I know it may cost more but well... you know I am not paying it out of my pocket

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Well, I lived in L.A. for 5 years (im now in NYC) and I've flown into these airports, which are in the vicinity:

LAX, Burbank, Ontario, John Wayne, Long Beach, and Santa Monica.  THere seems to be several smaller ones as well.

What about expanding Ellington Field?

Ellington Field is too near to Hobby to be useful. It would be redundant.

L.A. has really five major airports that cover distinct areas 1) LAX for most of L.A. proper, 2) Burbank for the SF Valley 3) John Wayne for Orange Co. 4)Ontario for the Inland Empire 5) Long Beach for the general Long Beach area and Downey, North Orange Co., parts of South Bay etc.

L.A., being the true Queen of Sprawl, is decades ahead of us in terms of density and infill. An equilvalent set up for us in the future might be to have airports in Fort Bend Co, NW Houston, Baytown area, maybe even southern Brazoria Co., possibly Conroe.

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