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27 minutes ago, wilcal said:

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/05-09-18-bustling-downtown-houston-street-to-be-transformed-into-a-walkable-bike-friendly-corridor/?utm_source=sf_twitter

 

 

This is great! This may hurt traffic a bit after theater shows, but they can deal with it imho. 

 

Edit: Asked one of the planners on Twitter for a timeline, and he said 1 year for design and 2 years for construction. 

 

 

Yes, that's what the HBJ article says, as well.  Completion in 2021

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2018/05/08/houston-s-downtown-redevelopment-authority-picks.html

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1 hour ago, cspwal said:

Oooh renderings

 

More info in the theater district master plan thread

I don't know which forum is more appropriate for this

 

Oops! Missed that. @Urbannizer Should this thread just go away?

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5 hours ago, Vy65 said:

They need to either completely redevelop Bayou place or burn it to the ground and put something useful there. It's a dump, as it is. 

 

I think plans are to get rid of it and redevelop the 3 blocks it sits on.

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This bike lane looks to have much better separation than the Lamar bike path - lamp posts and a curb look much less inviting to cars than just the Zebra bumps

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Saw this in the presentation. When it says "Trails in Progress" what does that mean exactly? That they have plans/funds and are waiting to start?

 

The little corner in the bottom left of the map on Holman is separated bike lane that is complete for a whole block, but none of Brazos is done to my knowledge and it's marked the same color. Are the dotted blue line projects imminent in their start?

 

UaBQgm7.jpg

 

 

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47 minutes ago, wilcal said:

Saw this in the presentation. When it says "Trails in Progress" what does that mean exactly? That they have plans/funds and are waiting to start?

 

The little corner in the bottom left of the map on Holman is separated bike lane that is complete for a whole block, but none of Brazos is done to my knowledge and it's marked the same color. Are the dotted blue line projects imminent in their start?

 

UaBQgm7.jpg

 

 

There is also the proposal making Main from MidMain to Downtown a pedestrian through fare with bike lanes. Aren't they also planning to make a dedicated bike lane when they redo Alabama?  

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4 minutes ago, BeerNut said:

There is also the proposal making Main from MidMain to Downtown a pedestrian through fare with bike lanes. Aren't they also planning to make a dedicated bike lane when they redo Alabama?  

 

That was a Midtown TIRZ rendering. I contacted them to ask if there was a timeline, funding, etc and they said no timeline and no funding at this point. Just something they would like to see. I specifically asked if it was something we could see with the new Harris County funds for this year and they said no. 

 

Edit: Also, Alabama reconstruction has been pushed to like '21 or '22 based on rebuild Houston funding website :(

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There's work going on Alabama underneath 527 and I thought it meant they had started on the W Alabama reconstruction 

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I just wish the recently replaced bridge on W Dallas over I-45 had been built just a few feet wider, and with higher guardrails. Although the new bridge is an improvement over what it replaced, it's still daunting for cyclists and pedestrians (especially those who suffer from acrophobia).

It would have made the downtown improvements more accessible to the growing number of people who live in that area.

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25 minutes ago, cspwal said:

There's work going on Alabama underneath 527 and I thought it meant they had started on the W Alabama reconstruction 

 

That's just sewer work from my understanding. No road reconfiguration is happening. 

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2 hours ago, wilcal said:

 

That was a Midtown TIRZ rendering. I contacted them to ask if there was a timeline, funding, etc and they said no timeline and no funding at this point. Just something they would like to see. I specifically asked if it was something we could see with the new Harris County funds for this year and they said no. 

 

Edit: Also, Alabama reconstruction has been pushed to like '21 or '22 based on rebuild Houston funding website :(

Wow that's bs on their part. From what I gathered all this time is that most of these roads are funded and just needed to go through the right channels before construction. West Alabama was supposed to start late last yr. Where the hell is all this money going from 2017 till 2022?

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1 hour ago, dbigtex56 said:

I just wish the recently replaced bridge on W Dallas over I-45 had been built just a few feet wider, and with higher guardrails. Although the new bridge is an improvement over what it replaced, it's still daunting for cyclists and pedestrians (especially those who suffer from acrophobia).

It would have made the downtown improvements more accessible to the growing number of people who live in that area.

 

I think that's a temporary bridge.  I believe West Dallas will be an underpass rather than an overpass once the downtown freeway loop is replaced (so figure 10 years or so?).

 

Unfortunately since it will have 5 freeway lanes above it, it will be wide enough that it may become the new homeless encampment.  But maybe if we get the pretty signature bridge for the new downtown spur with the red towers as was rendered elsewhere (can't find it now, but I swear I saw it here the other day), it won't be a problem.

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On 5/11/2018 at 2:38 PM, j_cuevas713 said:

Wow that's bs on their part. From what I gathered all this time is that most of these roads are funded and just needed to go through the right channels before construction. West Alabama was supposed to start late last yr. Where the hell is all this money going from 2017 till 2022?

 

"Harvey stuff" from what I understand.

 

The Rebuild Houston interactive map is down right now, so I can't tell you exactly what year. 

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Has anyone seen any more information on Tranquility Park being renovated?  In my opinion, it needs more help than Jones Plaza.  I walked through this park and around City Hall over the weekend on my way to The Hobby Center.  The sidewalks are narrow and in extremely bad shape.  It seems like City Hall is used enough to justify improving this area.  This website says the fountains have been closed since 2013.  Maybe something will happen after the Bagby redo.  

 

Tranquillity Park Fountain - September 9, 2013 - Until Further Notice
Due to mechanical repairs, the Tranquillity Park fountain basin has been drained and the tall "stacks" will not be operational for the duration of the project.

 

http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/closedrepair.html

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On 5/11/2018 at 0:01 PM, wilcal said:

 

That was a Midtown TIRZ rendering. I contacted them to ask if there was a timeline, funding, etc and they said no timeline and no funding at this point. Just something they would like to see. I specifically asked if it was something we could see with the new Harris County funds for this year and they said no. 

 

Edit: Also, Alabama reconstruction has been pushed to like '21 or '22 based on rebuild Houston funding website :(

 

If they wanted to do something more immediate, they could just do the area between Alabama and Elgin first.  Get appropriate variances and install bollards to block/limit vehicular access.  This area already sees a decent amount of pedestrian traffic and new developments have been pedestrian focused.  I think Ensemble theater is the only business that has a Main st focus vehicular access(valet).

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If the street is already low traffic, what are the benefits of closing it to vehicular traffic?

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4 hours ago, cspwal said:

If the street is already low traffic, what are the benefits of closing it to vehicular traffic?

 

So pedestrians and bikers can use it without getting run over by cars.

 

We have no dedicated north/south bike lane, and this could run from the Museum District all of the way to the north edge of downtown. 

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6 hours ago, BeerNut said:

 

If they wanted to do something more immediate, they could just do the area between Alabama and Elgin first.  Get appropriate variances and install bollards to block/limit vehicular access.  This area already sees a decent amount of pedestrian traffic and new developments have been pedestrian focused.  I think Ensemble theater is the only business that has a Main st focus vehicular access(valet).

 

I think there is a church that has 1 or 2 Main-facing handicap spots that they use for dropoffs as well.

 

I went the whole route on google street view a year or so ago and I think the net loss of parking spaces is like 9ish for the entire run. There is a gas station that uses Main as it's major thoroughfare as well. Basically, a shockingly small amount of negative effect to close that much of a road through the heart of the urban core. 

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The traffic load is very light though.  I wouldn't walk around on it, but biking it is relatively relaxing, at least to me.  That's why I was questioning the need to close it to vehicular traffic, when cars are already incentiveized to stay off main.

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1 hour ago, cspwal said:

The traffic load is very light though.  I wouldn't walk around on it, but biking it is relatively relaxing, at least to me.  That's why I was questioning the need to close it to vehicular traffic, when cars are already incentiveized to stay off main.

 

I actually don't feel comfortable biking on it because I think the only drivers that drive on Main are lost, and I don't want dumb drivers with no way to pass me safely being behind me. 

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Good point. I've only ridden it in downtown, and there no one is on it unless they are reaaaally lost

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On 5/15/2018 at 0:21 PM, ttuchris said:

Has anyone seen any more information on Tranquility Park being renovated?  In my opinion, it needs more help than Jones Plaza.  I walked through this park and around City Hall over the weekend on my way to The Hobby Center.  The sidewalks are narrow and in extremely bad shape.  It seems like City Hall is used enough to justify improving this area.  This website says the fountains have been closed since 2013.  Maybe something will happen after the Bagby redo.  

 

Tranquillity Park Fountain - September 9, 2013 - Until Further Notice
Due to mechanical repairs, the Tranquillity Park fountain basin has been drained and the tall "stacks" will not be operational for the duration of the project.

 

http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/closedrepair.html

 

The fountains were back on for a while last year. I even took some photos. Maybe I posted them here? I can't remember.

 

Come to think of it, I haven't seen them on since Harvey :(

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17 hours ago, samagon said:

 

The fountains were back on for a while last year. I even took some photos. Maybe I posted them here? I can't remember.

 

Come to think of it, I haven't seen them on since Harvey :(

 

The repairs to the parking garage underneath the fountains are proceeding at a glacial pace.  Lighting is still provided by strings of work lights, transient parking is flat rate paid on entry to people sitting at the entrances, contract parkers have hang tags, and of course everything needs a coat of paint.

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Open House for the Bagby redesign happening on Thursday, December 6

 

1730-1900

Program begins at 1800

 

Julia Ideson Building

Reading Room

550 McKinney St

 

https://i.imgur.com/0OHhtRH.jpg

 

Pretty sure I'm gonna go, so I'll report back to y'all what is said. 

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Trying to get a copy of the actual presentation, but a few of my pics will have to do.

 

There were probably 10-20 regular citizens and 15-25 reps of associated companies (traffic, engineering, whatever).

 

https://i.imgur.com/nSUJxOr.jpg

First, they brought a 1:1 scale cross-section of Bagby so you could see just how wide each section is in relation to each other. Was actually pretty cool.

 

There weren't a ton of the changes from the renderings earlier this year, but this was a big one: 

https://i.imgur.com/DnePycV.jpg

 

Right above where it says library, there is a drive-through for a book drop. In the initial renderings, the bike lane was going to dogleg around the book drop, but now the driveway will cut through it and the sidewalk. I was.... befuddled as to how they can spend this much effort on reconfiguration but it was explained to me that the book drop links to an underground book processing area so it can't be moved. So that sucks big time.

 

https://i.imgur.com/azuXxOF.jpg

 

You can see how much the street will be reduced for cars. They ran the traffic numbers, and even projected traffic through 2040, and it was still fine. Shows how overdeveloped many of the streets are.

 

https://i.imgur.com/IIg62lS.jpg

 

Good cross-section of the eastern portion of Bagby. This will vary quite a bit as the street changes width. Underneath the bridge by Bayou Place, the street buffer is only a curb. As notated, the bike lane will be a full 12' wide including the buffers. They are using an octagonal tile that is aimed at riding on for the bike lane. The coloring is true to what they intend. I expressed concerns that there is enough delineation to keep pedestrians out of the bike track, but they expressed a desire to be able to utilize the space as more of a plaza during events.  The original rendering had yellow stripes in the bike lanes, which I prefer. 

I also asked about utilizing elements that offered protection between the car lane and the bike lane, but they wanted to focus on more unobtrusive (shorter) offerings. They don't want anyone sitting on the planters that might be in the buffer zone. 

 

Updated timeline: https://i.imgur.com/9Q5Iw1V.jpg

 

Pretty much the same as before. They said that they would have another meeting in the spring that would be between 90 and 100% plan completion. 

 

 

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On 12/10/2018 at 2:10 PM, wilcal said:

Trying to get a copy of the actual presentation, but a few of my pics will have to do.

 

There were probably 10-20 regular citizens and 15-25 reps of associated companies (traffic, engineering, whatever).

 

https://i.imgur.com/nSUJxOr.jpg

First, they brought a 1:1 scale cross-section of Bagby so you could see just how wide each section is in relation to each other. Was actually pretty cool.

 

There weren't a ton of the changes from the renderings earlier this year, but this was a big one: 

https://i.imgur.com/DnePycV.jpg

 

Right above where it says library, there is a drive-through for a book drop. In the initial renderings, the bike lane was going to dogleg around the book drop, but now the driveway will cut through it and the sidewalk. I was.... befuddled as to how they can spend this much effort on reconfiguration but it was explained to me that the book drop links to an underground book processing area so it can't be moved. So that sucks big time.

 

https://i.imgur.com/azuXxOF.jpg

 

You can see how much the street will be reduced for cars. They ran the traffic numbers, and even projected traffic through 2040, and it was still fine. Shows how overdeveloped many of the streets are.

 

https://i.imgur.com/IIg62lS.jpg

 

Good cross-section of the eastern portion of Bagby. This will vary quite a bit as the street changes width. Underneath the bridge by Bayou Place, the street buffer is only a curb. As notated, the bike lane will be a full 12' wide including the buffers. They are using an octagonal tile that is aimed at riding on for the bike lane. The coloring is true to what they intend. I expressed concerns that there is enough delineation to keep pedestrians out of the bike track, but they expressed a desire to be able to utilize the space as more of a plaza during events.  The original rendering had yellow stripes in the bike lanes, which I prefer. 

I also asked about utilizing elements that offered protection between the car lane and the bike lane, but they wanted to focus on more unobtrusive (shorter) offerings. They don't want anyone sitting on the planters that might be in the buffer zone. 

 

Updated timeline: https://i.imgur.com/9Q5Iw1V.jpg

 

Pretty much the same as before. They said that they would have another meeting in the spring that would be between 90 and 100% plan completion. 

 

 

 

Interesting. Thank you for your work.

 

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58 minutes ago, Twinsanity02 said:

On one of the slides it shows the old Post Office site and it says "potential detention". I suppose this refers to a detention pond. Anyone know?

 

Yes, I presume it refers to detention pond.  But I don't think they mean to indicate that the detention pond would replace the post office.  I think they have used a map from another source and it probably left the arrows off of the map, to the right.  On the North Houston Highway Improvement  Project maps, they indicate potential detention underneath the new freeways, to the north and across the railroad tracks from the Post Office site.

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If there's no more grass pathway up to the green roof, how are they going to mow it?

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8 hours ago, cspwal said:

If there's no more grass pathway up to the green roof, how are they going to mow it?

 

Astroturf.

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On 3/19/2019 at 6:33 PM, Urbannizer said:

 

At the meeting in December, they said that they would have another public meeting this spring. I contacted them last week and they told me that it had not been scheduled yet. I would imagine design work is just about complete and that they'll show of finalized stuff.

 

I wonder what prompted this story to come out. It's been months since we had any real updates. 

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On 3/19/2019 at 6:33 PM, Urbannizer said:

 

Talked with the Downtown District's Director of Planning and she said that they are still working through 90% documents to get to the city and have no determined a first start date or construction length 😕 The original presentation from December started a June start date, and this article says fall. She said a few issues with infrastructure upgrades and phasing sequence with the city. 

 

Their original timeline was:

 

Feb 2019 90% plan submission.

April 2019 100% plan submission

May 2019 Contractor Procurement

June 2019-21 Construction

 

So if they are still working on 90% plan submission, then that's at least 2 months behind which does lean towards a fall start as reported in March.

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Anyway to move the Bagby Street portion of this thread into its own thread in Transportation? Remembered this project and then went looking for it until I remembered it was here. Would be odd linking it on the map to a Theater Master plan. @Urbannizer

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