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Whats your opinion about the shops?

they have a wide selection for food and "dining"

but retail wise they are falling behind..

plus they use most of the empy spaces to advertise for other stores... -_-

Although i think its great for what they do have..

I went yesterday with an aunt from mexico and we went to the grocery store at the end,

and she asked (in spanish) "Why do they have all this stuff here?"

i replied with a quote i heard in this forum ... ;)

but back to your opinion.....

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It houses Doozo, and that's reason enough to venerate it. I wouldn't say they are "falling behind" on retail. I've been there on and off for 15 years and they've never had much retail. It's downtown's food court.

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I always thought it had a lot of potential, but outside of office workers and maybe now because of the park, there isn't much interest in this as a destination.

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I've accepted it for what it is: it's a useful and popular place for lunchtime crowds and convenience shopping but it's not a "destination". It's not meant to be the talk of the town or any other town.

I'm sure that it can evolve as downtown evolves but right now, it seems to work pretty well for what it is.

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The exterior and entry points are so uninviting... I've always thought this place was lame. I don't think it is rehabilitate-able either.

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The exterior and entry points are so uninviting... I've always thought this place was lame. I don't think it is rehabilitate-able either.

It becomes more appealing for retail once One Park Place and some of the other proposed residential development goes in downtown. It's walking distance for them.

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The exterior and entry points are so uninviting... I've always thought this place was lame. I don't think it is rehabilitate-able either.

The tunnels lead straight into it. It invites the people it wants to invite.

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The tunnels lead straight into it. It invites the people it wants to invite.

So they consciously didn't want to invite more people? :o

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So they consciously didn't want to invite more people? :o

You'd have to ask the folks who designed it. My guess is, no, they didn't go out of their way to invite people from the streets. People on the streets downtown are usually losers who can't afford Chik-Fil-A. Why bother with doors for street people?

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You'd have to ask the folks who designed it. My guess is, no, they didn't go out of their way to invite people from the streets. People on the streets downtown are usually losers who can't afford Chik-Fil-A. Why bother with doors for street people?

Maybe b/c someone might build a luxury apartment complex on the adjacent lot?

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Not much to it. I agree it's kind of lame. My favorite part is dining out on the terrace, but now One Park Place is blocking the view, which would have been great now that Discovery Green is here. Not that I'm not glad about One Park Place.

They could use better stores. The food court is fine.

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Maybe b/c someone might build a luxury apartment complex on the adjacent lot?

If someone is smart, someone will connect those luxury apartments to the tunnels.

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If someone is smart, someone will connect those luxury apartments to the tunnels.

Marvy Finger should definitely have consulted you before he started construction, because it isn't connected to the tunnels... ;)

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Yet everyone's excited about HP, with its noticeable lack of good retail, and abundance of overpriced theme bars and restaurants for a downtown residential population that doesn't exist.

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Yet everyone's excited about HP, with its noticeable lack of good retail, and abundance of overpriced theme bars and restaurants for a downtown residential population that doesn't exist.

i wouldnt say i was too excited about HP

im actually irratated at the lack or retail/stores...

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Marvy Finger should definitely have consulted you before he started construction, because it isn't connected to the tunnels... ;)

i dont really know why they would need to connect them via tunnels

its just a street crossing

and even if it rained ;whats a 15- 30 second run?

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i wouldnt say i was too excited about HP

im actually irratated at the lack or retail/stores...

Are you planning to drive from Pasadena to HP to go shopping?

i dont really know why they would need to connect them via tunnels

its just a street crossing

and even if it rained ;whats a 15- 30 second run?

The tunnels connect to lot more than The Shops. If I was renting a luxury apartment downtown, I'd want tunnel access.

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I've accepted it for what it is: it's a useful and popular place for lunchtime crowds and convenience shopping but it's not a "destination". It's not meant to be the talk of the town or any other town.

I'm sure that it can evolve as downtown evolves but right now, it seems to work pretty well for what it is.

But couldn't they at least spruce it up a bit? Seems like it went downhill after Brooks Brother's left.

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The tunnels connect to lot more than The Shops. If I was renting a luxury apartment downtown, I'd want tunnel access.

Why? The tunnels are closed after 5 pm and are also closed on weekends. Since most downtown residents are at work during the hours in which the tunnels are open, tunnel access from your apartment is essentially useless.

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Why? The tunnels are closed after 5 pm and are also closed on weekends. Since most downtown residents are at work during the hours in which the tunnels are open, tunnel access from your apartment is essentially useless.

Unless you want to walk to and from work in them.

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Are you planning to drive from Pasadena to HP to go shopping?

Ok, im not saying im going to HP just to buy me some pants,

but i like to go to downtown as much as possible and if

all i see is a food court at HP then that will be dissapointing

(yes im exaggerating, i know theres forever 21 and HOB and more besides restaurants)

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Long ago, The Shops used to have these futuristic indoor fountains which I was horribly disappointed to see go away. Does anyone have pictures of them?

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Long ago, The Shops used to have these futuristic indoor fountains which I was horribly disappointed to see go away. Does anyone have pictures of them?

The colored pipes? Sorry to hear they're gone.

Part of the problem with this mall was that it was designed in the context of a development that never fully happened. The entire Houston Center was envisioned with the "street" level being 60 feet up from the street, with the area beneath dedicated to parking and service functions. The Park (as it was originally) would have fit in fine with the original scheme. The problem is that when the plan was dropped the mall was left with poor street access and visibility. They have tried to make some changes to open it up some more, but it is still stuck with the basic design. I'm glad they've done as well as they have with the food court business.

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Why? The tunnels are closed after 5 pm and are also closed on weekends. Since most downtown residents are at work during the hours in which the tunnels are open, tunnel access from your apartment is essentially useless.

7PM, but I still agree. I live downtown and never use the tunnels.

I've only spent money once at Houston Center, on an accounting manual from Waldenbooks. It's far enough from the Rice that I never find a reason to go there. Main Street has everything Houston Center has, except better -- oh, and a Macy's. When I do find myself heading in that general direction, it's to Discovery Green, and on a weekend.

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I was walking by there today and it looks like the white concrete spaces could be opened up to street level retail. Can someone confirm if that is correct?

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I was walking by there today and it looks like the white concrete spaces could be opened up to street level retail. Can someone confirm if that is correct?

Could be, as in it's construction going on towards that end? Or wishful thinking could be?

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Could be, as in it's construction going on towards that end? Or wishful thinking could be?

Strictly wishful thinking. Just appears from the outside that it was built with that option.

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I'm excited about HP, but there's something that I'm more excited about...

Healthy competition. Houston Center is now going to have to up its game to keep the lunchtime patrons. So much so that they'll seriously have to think about expanding their hours to evenings and maybe even weekends. Then they'll also have to diversify their retail offerings to lure people away from the one or two good ones that HP has. We've set the stage for a restaurant and retail war for downtown Houston, but it's a war that everyone is going to win.

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I'm excited about HP, but there's something that I'm more excited about...

Healthy competition. Houston Center is now going to have to up its game to keep the lunchtime patrons. So much so that they'll seriously have to think about expanding their hours to evenings and maybe even weekends. Then they'll also have to diversify their retail offerings to lure people away from the one or two good ones that HP has. We've set the stage for a restaurant and retail war for downtown Houston, but it's a war that everyone is going to win.

I really wished they were open on weekends. I've always thought they could have those electric helicopter competitions in all that open air space they have. That could be a big draw.

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Ok, im not saying im going to HP just to buy me some pants,

but i like to go to downtown as much as possible and if

all i see is a food court at HP then that will be dissapointing

(yes im exaggerating, i know theres forever 21 and HOB and more besides restaurants)

Look, nobody shops there. Several retail establishments have failed in Houston Center, because people go there to eat, not shop. Maybe Discovery Tower, Discovery Green, and Pavilions will change that and bring more shoppers down and ultimately to Houston Center, but for now opening a retail establishment in Houston Center is generally a bad idea.

And yes, Doozo is so fantastic.

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Me too, but I get a mix anyway because I like both, with spicy sauce.

The sauce was yummy. Tell me ... exactly what are those veggies? I thought it was spinach, but then I wasn't so sure.

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The sauce was yummy. Tell me ... exactly what are those veggies? I thought it was spinach, but then I wasn't so sure.

Spinach, tiny noodles, and a little tofu.

The sauce comes in normal, spicy, or extra spicy. I like spicy, but they're all really good.

Those guys are like the dumpling nazis, though! You'd better know exactly what you want when you get to the front, because they will not wait at all, and any question you ask will not be answered when they've got a line. That's probably mostly a matter of necessity more than them being rude, because they get so much business. "Half and half with 2 spicies" is my order, and has never failed me.

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Look, nobody shops there. Several retail establishments have failed in Houston Center, because people go there to eat, not shop. Maybe Discovery Tower, Discovery Green, and Pavilions will change that and bring more shoppers down and ultimately to Houston Center, but for now opening a retail establishment in Houston Center is generally a bad idea.

And yes, Doozo is so fantastic.

The big reason that nobody shopped there was because the stores were lame. Radio Shack, Hallmark, a lottery/cigarette place and that was pretty much it. I went there a few times back in the 1999-2003 time frame and was continually disappointed. It only catered to the immediate needs of office workers. Without something special, there's no reason to go there.

Looking at the list of merchants there today, it doesn't look like much has changed.

Banks - 5

Gift stores - 9

Convenience stores - 4

Restaurants - 28

Clothing for office workers - 4

It's going to need more than a Jos. A. Bank to get people in there. And I see that both the crappy Radio Shack and the crappy Hallmark store are still there. At least they finally came into the 80's and got a Starbucks.

If HP puts the Shops at Houston Center out of business, it will be no great loss.

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The big reason that nobody shopped there was because the stores were lame. Radio Shack, Hallmark, a lottery/cigarette place and that was pretty much it. I went there a few times back in the 1999-2003 time frame and was continually disappointed. It only catered to the immediate needs of office workers. Without something special, there's no reason to go there.

That's not the only reason. Who wants to pay $10 to park to go shopping in a mall when there are a dozen malls where you can park for free, convenient or no? Actually I think HP might run into the same problem, which is probably why they are leaning the focus heavily on restaurants and venues and very gently on shopping establishments.

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That's not the only reason. Who wants to pay $10 to park to go shopping in a mall when there are a dozen malls where you can park for free, convenient or no? Actually I think HP might run into the same problem, which is probably why they are leaning the focus heavily on restaurants and venues and very gently on shopping establishments.

Good point about the parking. I always walked there, so I didn't think of it.

Do any of the shops at Houston Center validate parking? Do any of the ones in HP?

I was surprised when I visited L.A. a few weeks ago that every restaurant or business I went into offered to validate my parking. In that respect, they really know what they're doing there.

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Good point about the parking. I always walked there, so I didn't think of it.

Do any of the shops at Houston Center validate parking? Do any of the ones in HP?

I was surprised when I visited L.A. a few weeks ago that every restaurant or business I went into offered to validate my parking. In that respect, they really know what they're doing there.

me too , I've always walked to the shops...So what are the possible scenarios that might happen to theS@HC

1. Out of business?<25%

2. More retail will come to challenge that of HP's? <25%

3. Extended Weekend and Week Day Hours? 50%

4. (insert here) (> <)--%

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me too , I've always walked to the shops...So what are the possible scenarios that might happen to theS@HC

1. Out of business?<25%

2. More retail will come to challenge that of HP's? <25%

3. Extended Weekend and Week Day Hours? 50%

4. (insert here) (> <)--%

I would say it would just stumble on as a really big food court.

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I would say it would just stumble on as a really big food court.

Yeah. It's a really good food court. It's got Doozo.

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Is it public knowledge that Houston Center is in the planning stages of a ~$250 million renovation focused on the pedestrian experience and street scape? Saw some renderings flash by on a slide show real quick. Looked interesting.

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This part of the public was is unaware of that.  Good idea.  HC is in the middle of everything now.  And the "pedestrian experience" is abysmal.  Just where did you see this, Cloud?

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Yeah it really is a great location, just crappy street interaction. Not sure the info is supposed to be public knowledge yet, so idk if I should say exactly where, but the firm didn't seem too secretive about it. Lol

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Yesterday I was walking next to Houston Center (the shops at Houston center - don't remember which number that is) and noticed there's big plastic panels that seem perfectly sized to be windows.  Were there street level windows that were removed?  That could really enhance its street level presence.

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^^^ $250mm could very easily encompass a brand new tower.  are you sure cloud?  thats a heck of a lot of dollars just to enhance a streetscape / pedestrian experience.  maybe they will loan some funds over to the FOUR SEASONS.... they are need of a lot of enhancements.....

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Yesterday I was walking next to Houston Center (the shops at Houston center - don't remember which number that is) and noticed there's big plastic panels that seem perfectly sized to be windows. Were there street level windows that were removed? That could really enhance its street level presence.

I think you're describing the old Strip House, which IIRC, is under renovation to become a Pappadeaux.

Like its neighbor Tejas Grille, will have access both inside and from the street. That could help add to the pedestrian experience lol

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Pappadeaux and a Pappasito's downtown? My family may never leave me alone lol

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I think you're describing the old Strip House, which IIRC, is under renovation to become a Pappadeaux.

Like its neighbor Tejas Grille, will have access both inside and from the street. That could help add to the pedestrian experience lol

I thought Pappadeux's was opening up in the Marriot?

Strip House was nice, shame it didn't make it.

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