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Triton.  Exactly why new development is needed.  This area is close in and just down the street from the Med Center.  The area has got a future.  Let it start to happen now.   

Look, I'd usually agree with you. I really would. But this is part of Scott and OST, and that intersection has a full range of newer retail that has completely been broken down. You have shops around this development called Go Hustler Smoke Shop, Jolla Bella Beauty Supply, and the list goes on. The CVS and Walgreens and I'd say even the HEB are not the safest places... and guess what, they are all newer developments.

 

Honestly, I hope it changes but....

 

 

We'll look back at my comment 2 years from now and see that yet again, these retail stores became essentially nothing and didn't bring anything to the table.

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One of my least favorite intersections in the city.

 

The redevelopment of this area seems to me to be essential to the redevelopment of Riverside, one of my favorite neighborhoods, therefore, I hope it does well. Also essential to Riverside's future is the intersection at OST and Calhoun (also Scott @ MacGregor). It used to be that every time I drove past that intersection there seemed to be some sort of illicit transaction going on, now there seems to be a barbeque shop that is making a legitimate business at OST and Calhoun.

 

I hope that it all works out since there are so many architectural gems in the old Riverside neighborhood.

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these businesses aren't dumb....it'll be stuff specific to the area like the rest

 

if HEB could, they would leave 3rd ward like they've abandoned other minority areas they never built in but promised but they know the political pressure would kill them

 

that grocery parcel will probably be Pyburns type grocery..nothing major

 

fast food/gas stations will always rule that area

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these businesses aren't dumb....it'll be stuff specific to the area like the rest

if HEB could, they would leave 3rd ward like they've abandoned other minority areas they never built in but promised but they know the political pressure would kill them

that grocery parcel will probably be Pyburns type grocery..nothing major

fast food/gas stations will always rule that area

This is so short sided and dumb

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these businesses aren't dumb....it'll be stuff specific to the area like the rest

if HEB could, they would leave 3rd ward like they've abandoned other minority areas they never built in but promised but they know the political pressure would kill them

that grocery parcel will probably be Pyburns type grocery..nothing major

fast food/gas stations will always rule that area

This, my friends, is what we call baseless assumptions, and ignorance. Edited by BigFootsSocks
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watch most of that retail get filled with get-my-hair-did and nail salons and laundry mats.

 

What's the matter with those businesses if it's what the community wants or needs? If that's what they want and it creates more business owners, good for them.

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What's the matter with those businesses if it's what the community wants or needs? If that's what they want and it creates more business owners, good for them.

Because people in this thread actually believe that what comes with this development will improve the area. Get-my-hair-did along with all the other get-my-hair-dids are not going to improve the area.

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if HEB could, they would leave 3rd ward like they've abandoned other minority areas they never built in but promised but they know the political pressure would kill them

Sorry, what? First off, I had to read your sentence two or three times and I still didn't get it, probably because your syntax is all messed up. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that H-E-B hasn't ever "abandoned minority areas they promised", because a) people sometimes seem to confuse "rumors" with "promises" and B) I can't remember a single H-E-B that flat-out closed (w/o replacement) that wasn't a Pantry store, which are pretty rinky-dink to begin with, and that was their purpose--essentially "demo versions" of a full store (it's an analogy that works quite well, they're cheap to build, so think of the bakery, deli, and others being "dummied out"), and some of those areas didn't really work out.

I'm pretty sure that the H-E-B there at least started out as a Pantry and possibly got a small expansion later down the line*, so not only is it a keeper and makes money from the neighborhood and U of H students, it's the only H-E-B I know with Frenchy's chicken inside.

* If I'm wrong about this, please correct me.

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I'm pretty sure that the H-E-B there at least started out as a Pantry and possibly got a small expansion later down the line*, so not only is it a keeper and makes money from the neighborhood and U of H students, it's the only H-E-B I know with Frenchy's chicken inside.

* If I'm wrong about this, please correct me.

 

I remember when it opened in 1996. I don't think it was a Pantry though. It seemed bigger than the Pantry that I'm most familiar with on S. Braeswood and Chimney Rock. The Third Ward HEB was different than other HEBs, certainly much different than the HEB near my brother's place when he lived in Sugar Land. The Third Ward HEB felt hostile and sterile inside. For one thing, you couldn't take your shopping cart to your car. Large concrete pylons kept shopping carts from leaving the store. Certain items in the pharmacy were behind lock and key, which is perhaps commonplace now, but not in 1996. You had to bring your car to the front of the store and load the trunk from there, presumably to discourage people from taking the shopping carts off the premises. I also remember there being an odd arrangement of the aisles so there would be only one entry point to the checkout lanes. It was very inconvenient and was one of the reasons we didn't shop there even though it was the closest grocery store. I've only been there once since that one shopping trip, and it was for a church scavenger hunt. Other shoppers didn't like the security measures, either. They felt it was insulting, and they didn't like the fact that security cameras were visible everywhere. The HEB public affairs coordinator apologized to one shopper who made such a complaint and said it was necessary because their Pantry stores operated on a tight margin and tight security measures were needed. Councilman Jew Don Boney felt that the store wasn't hostile, just high tech. Since then, I think shopping carts are allowed in the parking lot. They have technology now that will make the cart's wheels inoperable if they leave the store premises. An HEB gas station has been built in the parking lot, but I still don't shop there. I'd rather go to Kroger on OST or even make the drive to the HEB on Buffalo Speedway at Bissonnet.

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Because people in this thread actually believe that what comes with this development will improve the area. Get-my-hair-did along with all the other get-my-hair-dids are not going to improve the area.

 

Then what do you think would improve the area? Doggie daycare center? Salata? Smoothie King?

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Then what do you think would improve the area? Doggie daycare center? Salata? Smoothie King?

I think you have my stance all wrong. What will improve the area is having the people that live there clean it up.

 

But you're right, there are probably people in this thread thinking a Salata or Chiptole or Whole Foods is what this community needs. If you want to improve this area, you need to get organized and have the community make the necessary changes. That's what we did here on the Northside... we have Avenue CDC improving and building nice looking places for lower income folk and improve the overall look of the Northside. The fact that these newer developments from far flung developers haven't improved the look of the area makes that quite evident.

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My roots in the area don't go nearly as deep as many long term residents in the area, but I have frequented the area for 25 years (since my days as a student at UH), and I've been a resident of the area for 12 years.

This intersection is I'm the Almeda OST TIRZ, and there have been definite improvements with landscaping and aesthetics over the last few years. The stretch of OST is seeing development now. It may be fast food and nail salons (as is most strip center development in Houston) but it's an improvement over used tire shops and abandoned buildings.

Your comments about the nail salons and beauty shops are just ignorant. There are also nail salons and beauty shops in River Oaks, Galleria, and Memorial. It doesn't degrade those neighborhoods any more than it does my neighborhood. Only difference is the demographics.

Your comment about safety is just wrong. What evidence do you have to say HEB, CVS and Walgreens aren't safe? I've not heard of any problems there.

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HEB promised nice, shiny stores off West Fuqua and Beltway 8, Veterans Memorial in Acres Homes, etc....

 

nothing ever showed up but when they developed this "JOE V" concept they dropped that in all minority areas except the Fuqua location which remains vacant to this day...even had a meeting where they built a JOE V off West Bellfort and everyone there saw that the McClellend guy (president) rushed in and out and did not care when they wanted to explain why there was no HEB coming?

 

HEB could easily convert it to a decent HEB if they wanted to but it's there for quota purposes as if it closes down and they try to steer the traffic to Gulfgate, all hell would break loose

 

yall can keep the red colored glasses on if you want 

 

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I think you have my stance all wrong. What will improve the area is having the people that live there clean it up.

 

But you're right, there are probably people in this thread thinking a Salata or Chiptole or Whole Foods is what this community needs. If you want to improve this area, you need to get organized and have the community make the necessary changes. That's what we did here on the Northside... we have Avenue CDC improving and building nice looking places for lower income folk and improve the overall look of the Northside. The fact that these newer developments from far flung developers haven't improved the look of the area makes that quite evident.

 

There are things similar to what Avenue CDC is doing on the Northside happening here in Third Ward, too. We have organizations working to reach those goals like the OST/Almeda Corridors Redevelopment Authority and the Greater Southeast Management District. We have the Village at Palm Center mixed use development coming up just down the street at Griggs and MLK, and that had a lot of community input to ensure low income people would have a place to live and revitalize the area at the same time. There are lofts popping up at the intersection of Griggs and OST that may not be low income, but they will improve the look of the intersection.

 

The community has organized to bring the changes we want, but it's been a seemingly slow process. On Scott at Corder, there's a Pyburn's food market being built, and that came about largely as a reaction from community members who want more grocery stores in the area. I'm wondering what grocery store will open up at this new strip center. Will they close down HEB and put a Joe V's there? I doubt another Pyburn's would be placed so close to the one coming up on Scott at Corder.

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HEB promised nice, shiny stores off West Fuqua and Beltway 8, Veterans Memorial in Acres Homes, etc....

More of these phantom promises...did they talk about it in the newspapers, or put signs at their sites? Or did they just own the land with only educated guesses made? After all, H-E-B owns a number of plots around the Dallas-Fort Worth area, including, allegedly, at least one vacant Albertsons, but won't go in until they get a distribution system set up so they can own all of them simultaneously. No one knows an exact timetable on this.

This might be how Veterans Memorial @ Antoine got the first Joe V's, H-E-B bought the property, people got their hopes up, and they develop Joe V's instead. Disappointing, absolutely. But unless you can pull up some more proof than hearsay, I'm going to take that as just "rumor goes flat".

 

nothing ever showed up but when they developed this "JOE V" concept they dropped that in all minority areas except the Fuqua location which remains vacant to this day...even had a meeting where they built a JOE V off West Bellfort and everyone there saw that the McClellend guy (president) rushed in and out and did not care when they wanted to explain why there was no HEB coming?

Again, ownership ≠ new store promised, although if you go to Fuqua and Beltway 8 in Google Maps, there's a mowed patch that is the size, shape, and correct road setback of an H-E-B. Hmmm...

 

HEB could easily convert it to a decent HEB if they wanted to but it's there for quota purposes as if it closes down and they try to steer the traffic to Gulfgate, all hell would break loose

Gulfgate is the one that's being kept open for contractual reasons. There was downscaling and rumors of closing either here or elsewhere, and I recall reading a PDF that seemed to back that up. That would be rare, as I've never (maybe except Rockdale, which was an old and small store anyway) seen H-E-B close a full-line store, and even Pantry stores are rare closures without replacement (Federal Road/I-10 and Galveston specifically come to mind).

Trust me, if H-E-B wanted to close it and leave it for the dogs (Sellers Bros. or something), they probably would have done so a while back. That is, if it wasn't bound by some sort of contract it made with neighborhood leaders back in 1996, which is plausible but unlikely.

 

Will they close down HEB and put a Joe V's there? I doubt another Pyburn's would be placed so close to the one coming up on Scott at Corder.

That IS a possibility, though I only know of one JV that replaced a Pantry-era store (in Baytown, IIRC). The others were new-builds or renovated (one in a former Service Merchandise!) Edited by IronTiger
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HEB promised nice, shiny stores off West Fuqua and Beltway 8, Veterans Memorial in Acres Homes, etc....

nothing ever showed up but when they developed this "JOE V" concept they dropped that in all minority areas except the Fuqua location which remains vacant to this day...even had a meeting where they built a JOE V off West Bellfort and everyone there saw that the McClellend guy (president) rushed in and out and did not care when they wanted to explain why there was no HEB coming?

HEB could easily convert it to a decent HEB if they wanted to but it's there for quota purposes as if it closes down and they try to steer the traffic to Gulfgate, all hell would break loose

yall can keep the red colored glasses on if you want

Have any proof?
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you mean the big Newquest sign that said HEB anchored center by my house in 2001 or the press release articles that appeared in every black newspaper?

 

http://docs.newquest.com/brochures/beltfuqua.pdf  need any more proof?

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2003/03/03/daily19.html(promises 68K square foot stores in Acres Homes also)

 

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs051/1109196647426/archive/1110238159366.html(on how the community did not want a JOEVs on West Bellfort)

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Not an attack, was actually curious. Calm yourself mate

I think he was referring more to me where I insinuated that the promises were just rumors.

Nevertheless, the article was from 2003! If I had a dime for every announced Houston project since 2003 that didn't pan out, I'd make at least a few bucks (there was one that would renovate the old Holiday Inn downtown into condos, for starters). The first Joe V's didn't appear until what, 7 years later? They probably cancelled all of them (including Fuqua/Beltway 8) and then decided to build Joe V's on the spot after they had created their "Aldi" knockoff, much like Central Market is to Whole Foods. With the exception of a Baytown Pantry-era store replaced by a Joe V's functionally (I believe: can't pull up the specific location right now).

Would you rather have H-E-B build and either downscale so much it resemble a Joe V's in all but name, or pull a bait and switch like they did in Pasadena, where it was one of the first full-line ground-up H-E-B stores in Houston built around 2001, only to convert into a "Mi Tienda" a mere five years or so later?

Anyway, I digress: I don't think H-E-B will convert it to a Joe V's, at least by that name. I can imagine them building a slightly larger H-E-B (a Pantry in Bryan was replaced by a smaller, low-end store in 2011, a far cry from Montrose Market which opened around that same era), but the reality of life is that stores operate for profit and better (i.e. richer) demographics are going to get the nicer stores, and H-E-B is one of the few chains that operates in both high and low end with the same name. Not everyone is going to get the fresh-squeezed juices, Cafe on the Run, or 500 varieties of yogurt...

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Update:

There is an Aldi going in, but it is between Tierwester and La Salette next to the new Whataburger.

 

This site at Scottcrest has something going on - dirt turned, earth movers roaming around, and a handwritten sign that says "Dairy Queen OST"

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On 4/14/2016 at 9:21 AM, cspwal said:

Update:

There is an Aldi going in, but it is between Tierwester and La Salette next to the new Whataburger.

 

This site at Scottcrest has something going on - dirt turned, earth movers roaming around, and a handwritten sign that says "Dairy Queen OST"

 

I think Aldi will do well out here. The Riverside Terrace residents may still trek over to the Buffalo Speedway HEB for a "better" choice. As for Dairy Queen, the new-ish Exxon on Scott at Blodgett was supposed to get a Dairy Queen per the sign that was placed outside while it was under construction, but it ended up getting a Popeye's instead.

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This strip center is complete and currently houses Wing Quarter Daiquiris and Creole Kitchen, Sugar Rush Too Cake Gallery, and Ray's BBQ will relocate to this new location from their current cramped digs at OST and Calhoun. This strip center's tenants aren't doing my waistline any favors. :D 

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WE bought a house between Scott and Cullen near England street which is a thru street to Griggs and OST a couple blocks south from us. In the year since we moved in I have seen quite a bit of redevelopment. Sure there are several new strip centers going up and several that have recently been finished. They are such an improvement compared to what was or wasn't there. 

New townhouse are being built in the Tierwerster area, and Aldi's is a great store with incredible prices just a block from HEB on OST. Its very similar to Trader Joes and they just put in a very popular car wash next to it that is quite fun with its yellow canopies.

TMC is marching down OST and bringing new apartment buildings and the need for more service related businesses. This area will have a very nice future and I love the new landscaping on Griggs and OST. 

They will be filled with what the public wants. There also are several major developments that have or are being completed like the beautiful new library across from the new apartment project going up on the rail line. I have a friend who has worked at the cvs for years and I shop at the HEB occasionally. Granted I do most of my shopping at my old HEB on Dunlavy mainly because you cant get a lot of products and produce at the OST store. Riverside Terrace is in the middle of an incredible construction phase with at least ten new homes being built right now along with many being updated. 

There is so much potential with all of the old structures over here it reminds me of Washington avenue and I predict the this area will continue to see a wider variety of positive additions quicker than you think. Its just too close to TMC, U. of H. and downtown.

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They've just cleared a large tract of land on OST just east of scott crest and the Ray Rogers barbecue restaurant strip. The tract runs all the way back to Griggs.

I stopped by the other day and was told it will be a storage building.

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I'll have to check Rays BBQ Shack out. It apparently has really good reviews.

 

So 5 years since my original posts, I am curious... now that HEB has left, how has this area been? Is anyone aware of a community lead organization trying to improve this area?

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