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On 12/11/2017 at 8:00 PM, tigereye said:

 

I believe Crane’s end game is similar to the deal the Rockies just got. As part of a deal to extend their Coors Field lease for 30 years, they’ll get to develop a block across the street with a team HOF, restaurant, retail, entertainment & residential components. It’s similar to what the Cardinals have done with Ballpark Village, the Braves with The Battery, and what the Rangers will be doing with Texas Live. 

 

Note: The Rockies will be doing this all on one city block, which is similar in size to block 161 that Crane has here. 

 

 

 

Buried in the Chronicle’s article is the first mention of a ballpark village in downtown. The reroute is brought up but Crane already owns property on block 161.

 

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Rerouting U.S. 59 and Interstate 45 below grade on the stadium's southwest side could open areas for a possible ballpark village, Ryan indicated.

 

https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-plans-future-improvements-Minute-Maid-Park-13061261.php

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3 minutes ago, lockmat said:

So in 50 years if/when they have to tear down and rebuild, most likely there won’t be available land. I wonder what they’ll do, where they’ll go.

We don’t have to tear down and rebuild... look at Fenway and Wrigley. I’m hoping Minute Maid becomes like those historic stadiums one day. 

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13 minutes ago, pablog said:

We don’t have to tear down and rebuild... look at Fenway and Wrigley. I’m hoping Minute Maid becomes like those historic stadiums one day. 

 

I hope you’re right. Primarily because I don’t want tax payers paying for another one.

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8 hours ago, lockmat said:

So in 50 years if/when they have to tear down and rebuild, most likely there won’t be available land. I wonder what they’ll do, where they’ll go.

 

No where. As previously stated, keep Minute Maid and renovate. Or if a new ballpark is a must, since there might not be a better site available by then, demolish MMP and build a new ballpark on the same site. (which would require the Astros playing elsewhere during construction. Tottenham & Chelsea are utilizing these methods to create their new stadiums on the same site.  

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On 7/10/2018 at 0:01 AM, pablog said:

We don’t have to tear down and rebuild... look at Fenway and Wrigley. I’m hoping Minute Maid becomes like those historic stadiums one day. 

 

I am by no means a baseball stadium expert, but I've been to a few.

 

MMP has a feel when you walk through the doors (especially onto the concourse behind left field). It's a hum, and it feels like baseball. I got that feel at Wrigley, I got that feel at a few other parks I've been to. The Astrodome never had that. 

 

It doesn't feel like a 20 year old stadium, and I hope it continues to feel like baseball.

 

On 7/10/2018 at 0:16 AM, lockmat said:

 

I hope you’re right. Primarily because I don’t want tax payers paying for another one.

 

I too would be quite happy to not have to pay for another stadium.

 

That being said, there is an amount of money that these teams bring into the city. 

 

traveling fans bring money and pay taxes.

the stadium naming rights is worth millions (Minute Maid paid $100 million for their 20 year deal when Enron flaked).

 

not to mention civic recognition. I wonder how many people decided to move to a new town because of what they saw of the town through one of the sporting events they attended? 

 

I don't like it, and I will grumble, but the economics make sense. So long as the team doesn't get you to pay for upgrades on the current stadium, then leaves 5 years later because they really wanted a new stadium. - I still don't understand why anyone who lives in Houston would ever cheer for the Titans.

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On 10/2/2018 at 1:04 PM, samagon said:

I still don't understand why anyone who lives in Houston would ever cheer for the Titans.

 

Is that really a thing? Given how widely despised Bud Adams was for uprooting the Oilers and decamping to Tennessee, I can't imagine any real Houstonian doing anything other than spitting whenever they speak of the Titans. 

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On 10/3/2018 at 3:58 PM, mkultra25 said:

 

Is that really a thing? Given how widely despised Bud Adams was for uprooting the Oilers and decamping to Tennessee, I can't imagine any real Houstonian doing anything other than spitting whenever they speak of the Titans. 

it was, I think most fans are now texans fans.

 

I had friends who cheered for the titans, their explanation was that the players were still oilers. It was a silly excuse.

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On 10/5/2018 at 9:46 AM, samagon said:

it was, I think most fans are now texans fans.

 

I had friends who cheered for the titans, their explanation was that the players were still oilers. It was a silly excuse.

 

I rooted for the Titans until we have got the Texans, but if I'm honest, there's still a tiny piece of my heart that is still with the Titans, very tiny. I was a kid when they moved and Bud Adams didn't mean anything to me, I was a fan of the team. If you're best friend moves to another city do you stop being their friend? 'course not.

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13 minutes ago, lockmat said:

 

I rooted for the Titans until we have got the Texans, but if I'm honest, there's still a tiny piece of my heart that is still with the Titans, very tiny. I was a kid when they moved and Bud Adams didn't mean anything to me, I was a fan of the team. If you're best friend moves to another city do you stop being their friend? 'course not.

 

I think that is the difference. I was not an adult, I was only barely out of high school. 

 

what I saw was the guy threw a tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted and took his ball to a different town. Do I want to maintain that relationship? Nah.

 

what I think most adults saw was that not only did he throw a tantrum, but he had just held the city hostage to make major improvements to his stadium that didn't seem to benefit anyone else. when they said no, he decided to take his ball to another town. I guess some people were okay maintaining that relationship though.

 

anyway, 'stros moving on to the next series :) woowoo!

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3 hours ago, samagon said:

 

I think that is the difference. I was not an adult, I was only barely out of high school. 

 

what I saw was the guy threw a tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted and took his ball to a different town. Do I want to maintain that relationship? Nah.

 

what I think most adults saw was that not only did he throw a tantrum, but he had just held the city hostage to make major improvements to his stadium that didn't seem to benefit anyone else. when they said no, he decided to take his ball to another town. I guess some people were okay maintaining that relationship though.

 

anyway, 'stros moving on to the next series :) woowoo!

 

Houston: Bud Adams moves the Oilers to Tennessee, and a lot of people remain fans.

 

Baltimore: Bob Irsay moves the Colts to Indianapolis, and, well, people are still steamed many years after the fact.

 

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I can't find anything to link yet, but Channel 13 just announced the Astros have bought the land adjacent to Minute Maid park (where the blue house and train are currently located) for $17 million.  They didn't say what is was going to be used for - it seemed like their teleprompter went off or something as they kind of babbled the last few comments - they did mention Hilton Americas was involved

 

New topic here:  

 

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On 8/14/2019 at 6:20 PM, HoustonMidtown said:

I can't find anything to link yet, but Channel 13 just announced the Astros have bought the land adjacent to Minute Maid park (where the blue house and train are currently located) for $17 million.  They didn't say what is was going to be used for - it seemed like their teleprompter went off or something as they kind of babbled the last few comments - they did mention Hilton Americas was involved

 

New topic here:  

 

 

Our local media is slow. Culture Map first mentioned Crane owning block 161 back in 2016. 

 

On 11/4/2017 at 10:40 AM, tigereye said:

 

Reminder that Crane owns 2 buildings on Texas south of Home Plate (probably the bars on block 161. With Nau Center for Heritage dead, could this be the spot? 

 

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/03-30-16-astros-owner-gives-the-inside-scoop-on-his-two-new-restaurants-near-minute-maid-park/#slide=0

 

 

 


When the MMP lease was renewed in 2018, it was again mentioned as being possibly earmarked for ballpark village plans. 

 

On 7/9/2018 at 11:34 PM, tigereye said:

 

Buried in the Chronicle’s article is the first mention of a ballpark village in downtown. The reroute is brought up but Crane already owns property on block 161.

 

 

https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-plans-future-improvements-Minute-Maid-Park-13061261.php

 
Astros may now own the halfway house site currently being bulldozed. 
 

To recap: Stros now have land outside Home Plate and Center Field gates. 

 
On 12/17/2019 at 12:27 PM, ekdrm2d1 said:

A Cherry representative said Minute Maid is the new owner. I’m not sure if that means the Harris County Houston Sports Authority or Crane and the team.

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I am sure the Astros are focused on revenue generating improvements, but the park has needed a paint job for years and several of the windows in Union Station are rotting.  I wonder if they have any plans for general maintenance.  I would hate to see a historic structure fall into disrepair.  Does the Harris County-Houston Sports Authority require any minimum repairs from the Astros?  I took other similar pictures, but they were too large to load.   

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On 7/28/2020 at 9:41 AM, ttuchris said:

I am sure the Astros are focused on revenue generating improvements, but the park has needed a paint job for years and several of the windows in Union Station are rotting.  I wonder if they have any plans for general maintenance.  I would hate to see a historic structure fall into disrepair.  Does the Harris County-Houston Sports Authority require any minimum repairs from the Astros?  I took other similar pictures, but they were too large to load.   

 

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They really should try to incorporate a little blue in the building paint scheme since it is the team colors. I also think it be neat if they made the outfield seats blue or at least some portion of the seating blue.

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18 hours ago, hindesky said:

Looks like they might have done some work to the Phillips 66 homer run count sign. All in preparation for Thurs. nights opener against the Oakland A's.

Hopefully they've given it a tune-up, because it's gonna get a workout if the boys continue the beatdown they've put on the A's in the first three games of the opening series in Oakland.

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Astros owner Jim Crane talks planned expansion surrounding Minute Maid Park

Danielle LernerStaff writer
Nov. 5, 2021
 

Astros owner Jim Crane said Friday that construction on a ballpark entertainment district surrounding Minute Maid Park is set to begin “probably within 12 months.”

The Astros’ lease with Minute Maid Park runs through 2050, and in 2019 the club purchased 1.738 acres of land surrounding the downtown ballpark with intentions of building a mixed-use development. Crane on Friday referenced the over $100 million the team has spent renovating areas like the Gallagher Club and Ultra Club inside the stadium, and said the next goal is to create an entertainment district in the area around Union Station and the now-closed Home Plate Bar & Grill.

The Texas Department of Transportation’s plan to reroute a portion U.S. 59 and Interstate 45 underground on the stadium’s southwest side, part of the North Houston Highway Improvement Project, will also clear room for the Astros to build.

“That whole area will turn into an entertainment area like a ballpark village like the Atlanta Braves, like the Cardinals, and some of the other teams,” Crane said. “We think that will bring a lot of people downtown. The area continues to improve around us. When we came in there was an old boarded up building where those apartments are. So I think this is going to be the spot. If they get the freeway done and it goes underground that’s going to be a park, so this area’s going to be a primetime area down the road for everybody to come down and enjoy the ballpark. And I think a lot more people are moving downtown which also helps us. So everything looks good, on the bright side.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Astros-Jim-Crane-expansion-Minute-Maid-Park-16596664.php

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This whole thing is weird to me. There hasn’t been any announcement or press release so I’m assuming it isn’t a major addition, at the same time the timing is weird with the playoffs right around the corner. Maybe it’s an emergency repair of some sort?? Idk but I’m really curious.  

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I was able to talk to one of the construction workers today (nice guy) and he told me that they’re  expanding and building a new team store that will expand out in the place of where the trees were. If I understood him correctly this thing will be huge. I asked him if it will be just a new team store or perhaps a restaurant or other space as well but he sounded unsure. Half of the facade that stretched from the end of the tracks right the center field entrance was off already. I’m surprised we haven’t heard or seen any renderings 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

If this ends up being a team store/Astros hall of fame then @tigereye deserves an award for suggesting this a couple years ago haha. 

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3 hours ago, hindesky said:

The two times I went by there I was hoping to talk with one of the workers to see if they knew what they were building but they never came close enough to the open gate where I was.

I was lucky because the gate was widen open and one of the guys happened to be on the sidewalk messing with his phone. You should ask yourself if you get a chance, maybe you’ll get more info than I got. 

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21 hours ago, nate4l1f3 said:

I was able to talk to one of the construction workers today (nice guy) and he told me that they’re  expanding and building a new team store that will expand out in the place of where the trees were. If I understood him correctly this thing will be huge. I asked him if it will be just a new team store or perhaps a restaurant or other space as well but he sounded unsure. Half of the facade that stretched from the end of the tracks right the center field entrance was off already. I’m surprised we haven’t heard or seen any renderings 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

If this ends up being a team store/Astros hall of fame then @tigereye deserves an award for suggesting this a couple years ago haha. 

Could be something larger. On a DM with Mike Acosta: 

I’m not certain. There were big plans for the west side of the ballpark. Not sure if this is part of it on a smaller scale or if it is the beginning of that big project.

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21 hours ago, nate4l1f3 said:


If this ends up being a team store/Astros hall of fame then @tigereye deserves an award for suggesting this a couple years ago haha. 

Wouldn’t be the first idea come to reality. 

In 2018, I tweeted out an idea for a rooftop brewery. Eventually Michelob Ultra deck was built. 

 

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2 hours ago, tigereye said:

Could be something larger. On a DM with Mike Acosta: 

 

 

Are you sure he’s not talking about the ballpark village? Unless I’m turned around, this current construction is more North or East of the stadium than West. 

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1 hour ago, nate4l1f3 said:

Are you sure he’s not talking about the ballpark village? Unless I’m turned around, this current construction is more North or East of the stadium than West. 

Pretty certain. Ballpark Village is south side of the park. West would be along Crawford and the Astros had this plot along with the old halfway house plot directly across Crawford from where this activity is on going.

They’ve got parcels to do something with so I wouldn’t be surprised if there was another project separate from the ballpark village. 

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Weird thing happened here with my drone. The software told me I was near a prison but it let me take off. I took off from the parking lot across the street with no problem.  After I took the pics it wouldn't let me land from where I took off. I thought I was going to have to land it in the trees. Then I remembered this parking lot used to be a prison/jail commissary so I had to go forward and land it on the sidewalk right next to this project. Software needs an update.

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On 10/2/2022 at 11:53 AM, hindesky said:

Weird thing happened here with my drone. The software told me I was near a prison but it let me take off. I took off from the parking lot across the street with no problem.  After I took the pics it wouldn't let me land from where I took off. I thought I was going to have to land it in the trees. Then I remembered this parking lot used to be a prison/jail commissary so I had to go forward and land it on the sidewalk right next to this project. Software needs an update.

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😍Keep the updates coming on this one especially since we don’t have any renderings.

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It seems like the older this ballpark gets the better it gets I was looking at photos of the new ballpark in Arlington it's nice but it seems kinda sterile. I also like the glass that lets in all the natural lighting in the outfield. I think our ballpark has a lot character and is turning into a classic in my opinion.

 

Go Astros tonight 🤘🏽👩🏾‍🚀

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2 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

Well the Ballpark Village has to be a "go" now, and I hope this season made it easier to select the "Rolls Royce" option!  Sounds like Crane can finance a good chunk of it with weekend t-shirt sales!

Man I've been thinking the same! How many lots does he own again?

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15 hours ago, kennyc05 said:

Man I've been thinking the same! How many lots does he own again?

From what I can glean above, he bought Block 161 in 2016 where the Home Plate Bar and Grill was and then (maybe?) an additional 1.738 acres of land (which I think is equivalent a full city block) in 2019--maybe block 119?  Or maybe he just bought a single block.  

Here's a block map I found:

https://www.downtownhouston.org/media/uploads/attachments/2019-07-31/140627_Block_Map2.pdf

What is with Avenida de las Americas running straight through blocks 119, 120, and 121 BTW?  Were these blocks divided when the Convention Center was built?  Sure would be nice to have MMP fully connected to the Convention Center area by something other than parking lots.

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On 11/8/2022 at 8:55 AM, mattyt36 said:

From what I can glean above, he bought Block 161 in 2016 where the Home Plate Bar and Grill was and then (maybe?) an additional 1.738 acres of land (which I think is equivalent a full city block) in 2019--maybe block 119?  Or maybe he just bought a single block.  

Here's a block map I found:

https://www.downtownhouston.org/media/uploads/attachments/2019-07-31/140627_Block_Map2.pdf

What is with Avenida de las Americas running straight through blocks 119, 120, and 121 BTW?  Were these blocks divided when the Convention Center was built?  Sure would be nice to have MMP fully connected to the Convention Center area by something other than parking lots.

Crane owns part of 119 after the city abandoned Chenevert through the site.

The ballpark mixed use development at the Home Plate site (161 + 119) would help serve as the connection to the Convention Center area. The only block undeveloped remaining would be the super block of 120 & 100. 

Edit: Crane might also own block 27 where the South Texas Intermediate Halfway House was recently demolished 

2nd Edit: Crane also own the Jackson Street BBQ site on Block 115. 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/food-culture/restaurants-bars/article/Downtown-s-Jackson-Street-BBQ-closes-after-8-16991784.php

 

Owner Bill Floyd, who opened the restaurant with pitmaster Greg Gatlin and then partner Bryan Caswell, said he chose not to renew the lease at 209 Jackson owned by Astros owner and chairman Jim Crane.

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