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15 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

You quoted Dr. Quaggin! That's my wife's former boss.

 

I agree physical interactions are important. I'm not trying to totally discount them. But as you can see no yoga mats anywhere in NU's video. Conference rooms make sense. Running trails not so much.

 

I was just trying to show HAIF how a little more serious university promotes their facilities. Again, i'm not anti yoga or morning runs. I just have no idea what they have to do with serious research/and or private bio tech investment. However, If a biotech company/investor choses TMC3 over NU or Harvard, Stanford, etc. then I promise to eat humble pie. 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait, you said the Northwestern thing was biomed. I have it on good authority that that's completely different than biotech.

 

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16 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

You quoted Dr. Quaggin! That's my wife's former boss.

 

I agree physical interactions are important. I'm not trying to totally discount them. But as you can see no yoga mats anywhere in NU's video. Conference rooms make sense. Running trails not so much.

 

I was just trying to show HAIF how a little more serious university promotes their facilities. Again, i'm not anti yoga or morning runs. I just have no idea what they have to do with serious research/and or private bio tech investment. However, If a biotech company/investor choses TMC3 over NU or Harvard, Stanford, etc. then I promise to eat humble pie.

 

It's really very simple:  The more opportunities for serendipitous encounters, the better.

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4 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

It's really very simple:  The more opportunities for serendipitous encounters, the better.

 

I can see why you think that. That's how scientific breakthroughs are portrayed in pop culture. But in real world science, beneficial encounters are much more intentional, planned and calculated. The best place for the kind of "collision" encounters you guys are thinking about happen at medical conferences. There you have a gathering of physicians, scientists and industry, sharing knowledge in a specified field. 

 

I wish it were more like in the movies. Maybe we would have more cures and discoveries if it were.  But unfortunately, science is very secretive. There's not a lot of collaboration research and development even within your own university, much less with a rival one. There are collaborations, but they are very very calculated. 

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16 hours ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

I can see why you think that. That's how scientific breakthroughs are portrayed in pop culture. But in real world science, beneficial encounters are much more intentional, planned and calculated. The best place for the kind of "collision" encounters you guys are thinking about happen at medical conferences. There you have a gathering of physicians, scientists and industry, sharing knowledge in a specified field. 

 

I wish it were more like in the movies. Maybe we would have more cures and discoveries if it were.  But unfortunately, science is very secretive. There's not a lot of collaboration research and development even within your own university, much less with a rival one. There are collaborations, but they are very very calculated. 

 

So, more opportunities for serendipitous encounters is not better.  (Someone should alert Dr. Quaggin.)

 

It's always amusing watching you tie yourself into knots.

 

FWIW, no one at TMC is remotely as focused on the yoga as 102IAHexpress. It's a tiny little additional amenity that is one possibility of activities that may be available in the open/green space.

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47 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

 

 

FWIW, no one at TMC is remotely as focused on the yoga as 102IAHexpress. It's a tiny little additional amenity that is one possibility of activities that may be available in the open/green space.

 

FWIW, the green space is the only concrete proposal in this evolving "design." I am all for top professors and bio tech investors moving to Houston. The question is, what's the best way to do that. 

 

My wife and I moved from the TMC to pursue better opportunities else where. As some of you might of heard, Dr. Ferrari left as CEO and President of Methodist to lead up the European Research Consul instead. The reality is the TMC, for most scientists is a stepping stone to better opportunities elsewhere. Like being the football coach of the Cougars. Top bio tech companies are not going to invest capital in Houston, just like top recruits are not going sign with the Cougars. Houston's reputation needs to improve first. 

 

My two cents. The feedback I have heard from other scientists who chose a lab in Houston over one in Boston or NYC of San Fran, is cost of living advantage in Houston. In the end they still ended up leaving, but at least the low cost of living gave them some interest. Many will chose the best opportunity regardless of cost, so can't do anything about them. However, for those on the fence about Houston, I would pool up the money and give a special TMC "grant" to all scientists that chose Houston. That will lead to better talent, which will lead to better research, which will lead to better national reputation, which will lead to national bio tech investment in Houston. 

 

Or, we can just build yoga lawns! Or maybe a light rail through the center of it! Surly bio tech investment will pour in then. 

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26 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

FWIW, the green space is the only concrete proposal in this evolving "design." I am all for top professors and bio tech investors moving to Houston. The question is, what's the best way to do that. 

 

My wife and I moved from the TMC to pursue better opportunities else where. As some of you might of heard, Dr. Ferrari left as CEO and President of Methodist to lead up the European Research Consul instead. The reality is the TMC, for most scientists is a stepping stone to better opportunities elsewhere. Like being the football coach of the Cougars. Top bio tech companies are not going to invest capital in Houston, just like top recruits are not going sign with the Cougars. Houston's reputation needs to improve first. 

 

My two cents. The feedback I have heard from other scientists who chose a lab in Houston over one in Boston or NYC of San Fran, is cost of living advantage in Houston. In the end they still ended up leaving, but at least the low cost of living gave them some interest. Many will chose the best opportunity regardless of cost, so can't do anything about them. However, for those on the fence about Houston, I would pool up the money and give a special TMC "grant" to all scientists that chose Houston. That will lead to better talent, which will lead to better research, which will lead to better national reputation, which will lead to national bio tech investment in Houston. 

 

Or, we can just build yoga lawns! Or maybe a light rail through the center of it! Surly bio tech investment will pour in then. 

 

Again, anyone who has even casually perused the TMC 3 materials knows the yoga lawn is not the core of the project. Nor is the green space the only concrete proposal.  You are intentionally obfuscating. The point of the project is the shared/adjacent lab spaces, not the yoga lawn.

 

I am happy that you chose to follow your wife from Houston to Chicago for perceived better opportunities for her research.  Really, I am. 

 

But if high-ranking officers leaving for greater opportunities is your standard, you'd better start packing your bags.  Some might have heard that the prior Dean of Feinberg School of Medicine and Vice President of Medical Affairs at Northwestern University moved to Penn!!!!    Is Northwestern just a stepping stone??

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19 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

 

But if high-ranking officers leaving for greater opportunities is your standard, you'd better start packing your bags.  Some might have heard that the prior Dean of Feinberg School of Medicine and Vice President of Medical Affairs at Northwestern University moved to Penn!!!!    Is Northwestern just a stepping stone??

 

I would call those lateral moves. UPenn and NU are in the same league (in my opinion).

 

For example, If the Head Coach of LSU leaves LSU and accepts the position at Ohio State, that is more of a lateral move (obviously different conferences but more or less equal programs in size, weight and reputation).

 

If instead, the Head Coach of UH leaves UH for Texas or Baylor then I would call -that- move a step up. That the Head Coach of UH leaves for a step up is not a failure of the football program in itself, but that almost all UH Head Coaches leave for a step up elsewhere is a big warning sign for future recruits. 

 

Scientists are going to leave the TMC. Fair enough. But why do -so- many leave. Fix -that- and Houston will see bio tech investment pour in. 

 

But like I said. It was just my two cents. If you are happy with the design and you think the design will spur "collaboration" and innovation and cause bio tech companies to move to Houston, then I am happy for you. Really, I am. 

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1 hour ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

My wife and I moved from the TMC to pursue better opportunities else where. As some of you might of heard, Dr. Ferrari left as CEO and President of Methodist to lead up the European Research Consul instead. The reality is the TMC, for most scientists is a stepping stone to better opportunities elsewhere. Like being the football coach of the Cougars. Top bio tech companies are not going to invest capital in Houston, just like top recruits are not going sign with the Cougars. Houston's reputation needs to improve.

 

Isn't this whole thing an effort to improve Houston's reputation? Create a visible, quality environment with a sense of place so that there's more of a "there" there?

 

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1 hour ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

I would call those lateral moves. UPenn and NU are in the same league (in my opinion).

 

 

LOL  How convenient.  You are a champion spinner.

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3 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Isn't this whole thing an effort to improve Houston's reputation? Create a visible, quality environment with a sense of place so that there's more of a "there" there?

 

 

2 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

 

LOL  How convenient.  You are a champion spinner.

 

Silly Silly. Don't you guys know. Houston isn't meant to have these kinds of things! No. Leave all that to the important cities on the East and West coast. How dare we aspire to something bigger and better than we are right now. Shame on us! /s

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Didn't think I would ever hear that the TMC is a stepping stone facility. I guess the only direction is up from here. 

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1 hour ago, Luminare said:

 

How dare we aspire to something bigger and better than we are right now. 

 

Asperations are great. But an asperation without a plan is just a wish. And by plan, TMC will need to do more than just "architecture" their way to the national stage. 

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Are we getting aspersions or aspirations from the Second City? :ph34r:

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I feel that because this project has an architectural component like it has that people have for some reason forgot what the whole purpose is. 

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On 11/4/2019 at 5:41 PM, TheSirDingle said:

Didn't think I would ever hear that the TMC is a stepping stone facility. I guess the only direction is up from here. 


To be fair, TMC’s -primary care hospitals- are some of the best in the country if not the world. 

 

The research institutions at TMC are a different story. Well, Not the best in the country, to put it mildly. But i agree,  TMC can only go up from here. 

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Something lost in the discussion is that outside of TMC (full on land managing 501(c)(3)), these other institutions generate good revenue and have large endowments boosting their financials, aka they have more money than they know what to do with. They've probably done 1000 studies about 1000 different things, and settled on this type of development. If it works, its amazing and their endowments grow and a sector in Houston that as @102IAHexpress accurately points out is just above average is going to get a huge boost. And the type of people they are trying to attract to potentially move to Houston probably won't have cars or really want to go to Katy or Clear Lake to do anything (hell, maybe not even Downtown). These researchers, as pointed out before, are generally focused on their job at hand and are used to college campuses where everything is relatively close and walkable. I think given all that, some of us can agree that one could see what they are trying to do. And someone asked if this was for regular Houstonians, and they said on the Looped in pod, yes, it is, to make TMC a more inviting place for those who live around it.

 

If the design sucks, or they don't get as much business as assumed, hey, nothing's better for these entities and their endowments to hold and take loans against than developed real estate, right? 

 

 

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Here's an article I found on the Boston-Cambridge biotech hub. The article was done by Wework so they have a business angle but it still gives a good overview. It seems like with TMC3, they are trying to create another Kendall Square with all the clustering effects:

 

The state benefits from what’s known in the biotech industry as clustering. There’s a high concentration of hospitals, leading universities and private companies in a relatively small area, which spurs collaboration and innovation. Clustering is particularly evident in Cambridge’s Kendall Square.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/sponsored/massachusetts-biotech/

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1 minute ago, H-Town Man said:

Here's an article I found on the Boston-Cambridge biotech hub. The article was done by Wework so they have a business angle but it still gives a good overview. It seems like with TMC3, they are trying to create another Kendall Square with all the clustering effects:

 

The state benefits from what’s known in the biotech industry as clustering. There’s a high concentration of hospitals, leading universities and private companies in a relatively small area, which spurs collaboration and innovation. Clustering is particularly evident in Cambridge’s Kendall Square.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/sponsored/massachusetts-biotech/

 

another term also utilized a lot is "cross-pollination"

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15 hours ago, 102IAHexpress said:


To be fair, TMC’s -primary care hospitals- are some of the best in the country if not the world. 

 

The research institutions at TMC are a different story. Well, Not the best in the country, to put it mildly. But i agree,  TMC can only go up from here. 

 

Were our primary care hospitals among the best in the world back when TMC1 was built in the 1940's? No, they were not.

Did those hospitals benefit from clustering effects? Yes, yes they did.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No, it was not.

Time for some of that can-do attitude, Houston! Let's go out and get ourselves a biotech industry! Yeaaarrrggghh!

 

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3 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Were our primary care hospitals among the best in the world back when TMC1 was built in the 1940's? No, they were not.

Did those hospitals benefit from clustering effects? Yes, yes they did.

Was it over when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? No, it was not.

Time for some of that can-do attitude, Houston! Let's go out and get ourselves a biotech industry! Yeaaarrrggghh!

 

 

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For those who might be confused by the reference to a movie reference, it's part of Bluto's somewhat rousing speech in Animal House.:ph34r:

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Clustering has benefits for sure. But keep in mind Houston does not need to cluster like Boston and San Fran do. A lot of successful academic - bio-tech hubs are clustered across several counties and even states. See, NYC-NJ, DC-Maryland-Va, Research Triangle in NC, and Chicagoland, etc. Actually, Boston and San Fran are the only major hubs clustered so closely. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Were our primary care hospitals among the best in the world back when TMC1 was built in the 1940's? No, they were not.

Did those hospitals benefit from clustering effects? Yes, yes they did.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No, it was not.

Time for some of that can-do attitude, Houston! Let's go out and get ourselves a biotech industry! Yeaaarrrggghh!

 

 

All fair points. It's also a fair point to mention that the research institutions at TMC have had almost as long to develop too. That the hospitals are so great yet the research institutions are so average and therefore has brought almost no bio tech investment is one of the greatest missed opportunities in the history of Houston. 

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22 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

Clustering has benefits for sure. But keep in mind Houston does not need to cluster like Boston and San Fran do. A lot of successful academic - bio-tech hubs are clustered across several counties and even states. See, NYC-NJ, DC-Maryland-Va, Research Triangle in NC, and Chicagoland, etc. Actually, Boston and San Fran are the only major hubs clustered so closely. 

 

 

Yes that's true but we already know clustering works. SF and Boston wouldn't be where they are, in regards to the amount of capital flowing, without clustering. Both Boston and SF have VC funding in the billions while the other "clusters" only have VC funding in the hundreds of millions. Why spread out the hub when we can consolidate like the two most successful biotech hubs.

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45 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

All fair points. It's also a fair point to mention that the research institutions at TMC have had almost as long to develop too. That the hospitals are so great yet the research institutions are so average and therefore has brought almost no bio tech investment is one of the greatest missed opportunities in the history of Houston. 

 

I remember back in the early 2000's they launched something called Southeast Texas Biotechnology Park. There was a rendering of a lowrise office park that they hoped to build somewhere south of Braes Bayou. The problem as they put it was that there was all this research at TMC, but it wasn't translating to the private sector. They mentioned the problem of venture capital. Then over time it changed its name to BioHouston and I think they dropped their plans to build something and instead focus on just nurturing companies. Not sure if it ever did any good.

 

I agree, past history doesn't give a ton of hope, although this project is much bigger in scale than that one was.

 

Looks like we have some momentum though:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2019/03/26/here-s-how-houston-s-life-sciences-sector-ranks-on.html

 

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5 hours ago, blackjacks100 said:

SF and Boston wouldn't be where they are, in regards to the amount of capital flowing, without clustering. 

 

Well, the Boston area has a little something called MIT and Harvard. SF area is less prestigious because it only has Stanford and UC Berkeley.  So yeah, that might play a little role too.

 

In fact there's no evidence that clustering is a major factor by itself. TMC3 could be "clustered" with TSU, HCC and San Jac, and the end result would by some pretty architecture. The biggest link between private bio tech investment and a municipality that has been evidenced to work, is whether that city is home to premier research institutions that were already "clustered" there to begin with. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

It becomes more evident that you are trolling. Obviously there are bigger institutions involved in this than HCC and SanJac. No they're not as big as Harvard and MIT, but who said we were going to beat Boston? The goal is to become the third coast for biotech, not the first or second coast. If you look at other major biotech hubs in the country like Raleigh-Durham or Washington D.C. or Philadelphia, I do think that the research institutions involved in this (UT, A&M, Rice, UH) measure up to the research institutions in those places. And if the major university systems in Texas are focusing on biotech in Houston, that at least makes it more likely that if a hub does develop in Texas, it will develop here and not some other city.

 

 

 

Maybe its trolling, but really its just plain ole smug elitism combined with the natural human fallacy of "I've yet to see something specific happen in this instance and therefore in my laziness I'm going to side with the fact that it will never happen," or in other words, recency bias. I'm sure there were people who said exactly the same about MIT and Harvard when they start, "oh they will never be as good as Cambridge or Oxford. How foolish of them to try!" These people will always exist and have always existed.

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There's no need for you guys to get so defensive and upset. We're just having a conversation. In typical HAIF fashion,  @blackjacks100 made the wild claim about clustering without any evidence to support it. I refuted his wild claim. It was as simple as that.

 

But I must say this inferiority complex and defense mechanism Houston has, is really off putting. They way Chicagoans handle valid critiques of their city versus how Houstonians handle critiques, is night and day. Chicagoans don't get so defensive and upset at even the national and presidential onslaughts of criticisms that come their city's way (murder capital, corruption, taxes, etc). Yet, someone makes a valid critique of the TMC and the response, is "oh he must be trolling." lol.

 

Yeah, Houston is just not on the world stage level yet, I am sorry to say. 

 

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I think I speak for 99.99% of Houstonians when I say, nobody cares what you think about of our inferiority complex or our medical center. Have a nice day.

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We are well aware of that. But if you don't try to develop a new industry or project or anything it won't happen at all.

They said you couldn't bring boats to a port in Houston 45 miles from the coast. We built the port.

They said baseball couldn't be played indoors.. So we built the astrodome.

They said man couldn't get to the moon and we built NASA.

We like challenges and maybe we'll never be Harvard, MIT, Stanford or Northwestern but we'll joe just fine.

Don't tell a Texan it cant be done. Sure it will take a while. Get over the double Helix design and the yoga mats and the trails. 

There are four institutions in Houston that have quite a bit of money and pride. 

I'm betting that in the long run this will become an important hub for bio research.

37 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

There's no need for you guys to get so defensive and upset. We're just having a conversation. In typical HAIF fashion,  @blackjacks100 made the wild claim about clustering without any evidence to support it. I refuted his wild claim. It was as simple as that.

 

But I must say this inferiority complex and defense mechanism Houston has, is really off putting. They way Chicagoans handle valid critiques of their city versus how Houstonians handle critiques, is night and day. Chicagoans don't get so defensive and upset at even the national and presidential onslaughts of criticisms that come their city's way (murder capital, corruption, taxes, etc). Yet, someone makes a valid critique of the TMC and the response, is "oh he must be trolling." lol.

 

Yeah, Houston is just not on the world stage level yet, I am sorry to say. 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

There's no need for you guys to get so defensive and upset. We're just having a conversation. In typical HAIF fashion,  @blackjacks100 made the wild claim about clustering without any evidence to support it. I refuted his wild claim. It was as simple as that.

 

But I must say this inferiority complex and defense mechanism Houston has, is really off putting. They way Chicagoans handle valid critiques of their city versus how Houstonians handle critiques, is night and day. Chicagoans don't get so defensive and upset at even the national and presidential onslaughts of criticisms that come their city's way (murder capital, corruption, taxes, etc). Yet, someone makes a valid critique of the TMC and the response, is "oh he must be trolling." lol.

 

Yeah, Houston is just not on the world stage level yet, I am sorry to say. 

 

 

It wasn't a valid critique, it was a couple of days of laughing at what everyone on here had to say because your wife used to work for Dr. Quaggin. Some people come on this forum with worthwhile insight that they don't mind sharing with others and some people overinflate their qualifications, exaggerate their knowledge, and expect to be worshipped. If you think you've made it to heaven because you're in Chicago, enjoy it. I've been there and done that and will throw my lot in with Houston, biotech hub or no biotech hub.

 

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Let's move on.  There is a $1B+ campus on the way, with a lot of private industry expressing serious interest to complement TMC3.   Developers are gearing up with sites acjacent to or near TMC3.  This is a clear net positive.  I trust the leadership involved and the amount of capital being invested shows that others do too..  No way to predict what will happen, so let the chips fall where they may. 

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Just because you don't like the critiques, does not make them invalid ones. 

 

Look, If Buzbee wins, I will be working in the mayors office. I want to make Houston a world class city. But I would be doing a disservice if I sugar coated my critiques to you, this forum or to a potential mayor Buzbee. 

 

Research is not world class at the TMC. Okay. fine. How can we improve it? How can we maybe one day land some outside bio tech investment? I gave a suggestion a few posts above. You, well, your worthwhile insight is .. Animal House. 

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29 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

Just because you don't like the critiques, does not make them invalid ones. 

 

Look, If Buzbee wins, I will be working in the mayors office. I want to make Houston a world class city. But I would be doing a disservice if I sugar coated my critiques to you, this forum or to a potential mayor Buzbee. 

 

Research is not world class at the TMC. Okay. fine. How can we improve it? How can we maybe one day land some outside bio tech investment? I gave a suggestion a few posts above. You, well, your worthwhile insight is .. Animal House. 

 

You said they were clustering with HCC, TSU, and SanJac, ignoring the $30 billion cumulative endowment institutions that they actually are clustering with. That's not a valid critique. That's trolling.

 

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8 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

You said they were clustering with HCC, TSU, and SanJac, ignoring the $30 billion cumulative endowment institutions that they actually are clustering with. That's not a valid critique. That's trolling.

 

 

Not to mention conflicts of interests which weren't previously disclosed in his comments. Essentially this person doesn't believe Houston will be anything unless they "help it" or are given power to "help it". So not only smug snob, and an over reliance on recency bias, but we can also add a Messiah complex as well haha. Its funny how people like this eventually reveal their true colors after only a few pokes. Don't you agree H-Town Man?

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That's not what I said. You are clearly misquoting me. I think you are the one who is trolling. Also the ad hominem attacks by @Luminare show his true colors, I am sorry to say.

 

TSU, HCC and SanJac is a hypothetical example I made. It is an extreme example, I know. That was the point. Because the "proof" that clustering "works" was also extreme, Harvard and MIT et al in Boston. Stanford, UC et al in SF. Clustering works there, so it must work in Houston too! I think you guys can come up with better counter arguments than that. Or maybe not. 

 

Any updates on the yoga lawns? 

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1 hour ago, 102IAHexpress said:

Just because you don't like the critiques, does not make them invalid ones. 

 

Look, If Buzbee wins, I will be working in the mayors office. I want to make Houston a world class city. But I would be doing a disservice if I sugar coated my critiques to you, this forum or to a potential mayor Buzbee. 

 

Research is not world class at the TMC. Okay. fine. How can we improve it? How can we maybe one day land some outside bio tech investment? I gave a suggestion a few posts above. You, well, your worthwhile insight is .. Animal House. 

Buzbee,  that explains everything. We don't need another mini me Trump running Houston.

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13 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

That's not what I said. You are clearly misquoting me. I think you are the one who is trolling. Also the ad hominem attacks by @Luminare show his true colors, I am sorry to say.

 

TSU, HCC and SanJac is a hypothetical example I made. It is an extreme example, I know. That was the point. Because the "proof" that clustering "works" was also extreme, Harvard and MIT et al in Boston. Stanford, UC et al in SF. Clustering works there, so it must work in Houston too! I think you guys can come up with better counter arguments than that. Or maybe not. 

 

Any updates on the yoga lawns? 

 

Why pick an extreme example when you could just pick the obvious example right in front of you, that they are clustering with UT, A&M, and Rice? I'm not misquoting you at all.

 

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28 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

That's not what I said. You are clearly misquoting me. I think you are the one who is trolling. Also the ad hominem attacks by @Luminare show his true colors, I am sorry to say.

 

TSU, HCC and SanJac is a hypothetical example I made. It is an extreme example, I know. That was the point. Because the "proof" that clustering "works" was also extreme, Harvard and MIT et al in Boston. Stanford, UC et al in SF. Clustering works there, so it must work in Houston too! I think you guys can come up with better counter arguments than that. Or maybe not. 

 

Any updates on the yoga lawns? 

 

You're right. I'm not the one shilling for a political candidate. I'm such a terrible human being.

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28 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Why pick an extreme example when you could just pick the obvious example right in front of you, that they are clustering with UT, A&M, and Rice? I'm not misquoting you at all.

 

 

You are misquoting me. And you are flat out making false statements for some reason. Rice has not made any plans of yet to be at TMC3. UT and TAMU are also not there, and were never at the original TMC. The Health Science centers are different universities within the UT and TAMU system. Like UH central and UH Downtown.  If, TAMU UT and Rice and Baylor College of Medicine were at TMC3, that could be a game changer. 

 

Lets stick with facts. 

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25 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

You are misquoting me. And you are flat out making false statements for some reason. Rice has not made any plans of yet to be at TMC3. UT and TAMU are also not there, and were never at the original TMC. The Health Science centers are different universities within the UT and TAMU system. Like UH central and UH Downtown.  If, TAMU UT and Rice and Baylor College of Medicine were at TMC3, that could be a game changer. 

 

Lets stick with facts. 

 

I never specified "university" when I wrote those names. I did say "institutions." Why would you not think I meant the systems? Whether it's the Health Science Centers or something else, it's coming from the same endowment. As far as Rice, they may not nominally be a part, but they are located closer to TMC3 than Harvard is to Kendall Square. So it's part of the cluster.

 

Those are the facts.

 

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6 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

I never specified "university" when I wrote those names. I did say "institutions." Why would you not think I meant the systems? Whether it's the Health Science Centers or something else, it's coming from the same endowment. As far as Rice, they may not nominally be a part, but they are located closer to TMC3 than Harvard is to Kendall Square. So it's part of the cluster.

 

Those are the facts.

 

 

Tell that to a bio tech startup or investor. Yeah, invest in a biotech hub in the Rio Grande Valley! UT Rio Grande Valley is just as good as UT Austin. It's the same institution! 

 

It's always amusing watching you guys tie yourselves into knots. 

 

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14 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

I never specified "university" when I wrote those names. I did say "institutions." Why would you not think I meant the systems? Whether it's the Health Science Centers or something else, it's coming from the same endowment. As far as Rice, they may not nominally be a part, but they are located closer to TMC3 than Harvard is to Kendall Square. So it's part of the cluster.

 

Those are the facts.

 

An additional fact is that the Texas A&M Health Science Center is actually a component of the university in College Station, as of 2013, and its College of Medicine was founded as a part of TAMU before being split off to form the Health Science Center in 1999, contrary to his claim.

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That's true the Health Science Center in Houston did merge with College Station in 2013. Forgot about that. Actually, Buzbee was a regent then, so i'm not sure why I forgot. Also in 2012 Texas Wesleyan University School of Law in Ft. Worth became the Texas A&M University School of Law. College Station was in expansion mode then.

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44 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

Tell that to a bio tech startup or investor. Yeah, invest in a biotech hub in the Rio Grande Valley! UT Rio Grande Valley is just as good as UT Austin. It's the same institution! 

 

It's always amusing watching you guys tie yourselves into knots. 

 

 

The UT system has historically sent lavish funds to its urban medical/research campuses and they have had no problem attracting researchers with the UT brand.

 

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5 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

The UT system has historically sent lavish funds to its urban medical/research campuses and they have had no problem attracting researchers with the UT brand.

 

 

Please elaborate on these lavish funds that the UT system has sent to its research campuses. 

 

Again you guys just need to educate yourself more on how research works. The Health Science Center, or the Umbrella system funds very little if anything of the actual research. Yes, there are some (very very few) endowed professors that are being funded by the department. But most, instead are self funded. It takes many years, perhaps decades to be an endowed professor, if they even offer it all. Instead what most professors do is apply for grants, from say National Institutes of Heath or the DoD. If awarded, those grants are awarded to the professor. That's how you earn your salary and conduct research in America. Even the pipets and medical supplies are funded with grant money. Heck, even the administrative staff is paid from the research funds. If you're not self-funded, then you're out of a job. The Health Science center helps with the facilities, I guess. 


Also, the university does help with intellectual property. So, the patents my wife has were processed with IP attorneys from Methodist. But, even then the institute is getting a cut of the assets.

 

I would rather the universities awarded more research grants to the scientists and professors directly, instead of investing yoga lawns. That would attract more talent (in my opinion). 

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7 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

Please elaborate on these lavish funds that the UT system has sent to its research campuses. 

 

Again you guys just need to educate yourself more on how research works. The Health Science Center, or the Umbrella system funds very little if anything of the actual research. Yes, there are some (very very few) endowed professors that are being funded by the department. But most, instead are self funded. It takes many years, perhaps decades to be an endowed professor, if they even offer it all. Instead what most professors do is apply for grants, from say National Institutes of Heath or the DoD. If awarded, those grants are awarded to the professor. That's how you earn your salary and conduct research in America. Even the pipets and medical supplies are funded with grant money. Heck, even the administrative staff is paid from the research funds. If you're not self-funded, then you're out of a job. The Health Science center helps with the facilities, I guess. 


Also, the university does help with intellectual property. So, the patents my wife has were processed with IP attorneys from Methodist. But, even then the institute is getting a cut of the assets.

 

I would rather the universities awarded more research grants to the scientists and professors directly, instead of investing yoga lawns. That would attract more talent (in my opinion). 

 

Are M.D. Anderson, UT Southwestern, and the health science centers well funded? Is their prestige greater than UT Rio Grande Valley? I didn't say they funded actual research, the implication was that they have well-funded campuses that attract researchers. You're just going to argue until you get the last word; my mistake arguing with a troll.

 

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