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19 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

What do you not like about it? I found it dignified

What bothers me about this sculpture is that it uses literal devices to address abstract concepts. It's as if someone said "OK, we have ten seconds to come up with an idea. Ready, set, GO!", and this was the result. It's meant to be unambiguous and understood at a glance. It's too damn easy and obvious to mean anything.
"So, wise guy, " I hear you thinking, "what do you propose instead?" And all I can say in reply is "Something better."
I've known and loved people who've had cancer. In no case is there ever anything easy or obvious about it. For some people it was a battle that was fought fiercely, for others a matter of acceptance. In no case did I think of them as bedraggled people who merely had to leap through some arbitrary jumbles of square shapes and emerge frolicking. Shazam! I'm cured!
Also, it's been my observation that realistic bronze sculptures of happy people often turn out very badly. The bronze of Mary Tyler Moore gayly tossing her hat in downtown Minneapolis looks like Skeletor on a bender. The depiction of a smiling Lucille Ball was so bizarre that it made national news. To me, the Bloch figures look like cartoon characters. 
I would rather see something that allows people to project their own experiences and feelings on it, something that invites contemplation. The existing sculpture is a one-liner.
This is my opinion, which is not open to debate. If the sculptor cannot convince me to like his work, I doubt that words will. If other people like it, good for them. I think it's kitschy.

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47 minutes ago, dbigtex56 said:

What bothers me about this sculpture is that it uses literal devices to address abstract concepts. It's as if someone said "OK, we have ten seconds to come up with an idea. Ready, set, GO!", and this was the result. It's meant to be unambiguous and understood at a glance. It's too damn easy and obvious to mean anything.
"So, wise guy, " I hear you thinking, "what do you propose instead?" And all I can say in reply is "Something better."
I've known and loved people who've had cancer. In no case is there ever anything easy or obvious about it. For some people it was a battle that was fought fiercely, for others a matter of acceptance. In no case did I think of them as bedraggled people who merely had to leap through some arbitrary jumbles of square shapes and emerge frolicking. Shazam! I'm cured!
Also, it's been my observation that realistic bronze sculptures of happy people often turn out very badly. The bronze of Mary Tyler Moore gayly tossing her hat in downtown Minneapolis looks like Skeletor on a bender. The depiction of a smiling Lucille Ball was so bizarre that it made national news. To me, the Bloch figures look like cartoon characters. 
I would rather see something that allows people to project their own experiences and feelings on it, something that invites contemplation. The existing sculpture is a one-liner.
This is my opinion, which is not open to debate. If the sculptor cannot convince me to like his work, I doubt that words will. If other people like it, good for them. I think it's kitschy.

 

Your anticipation of argument from me misses the mark; I was really just interested in hearing what you thought.

 

I don't really like the bronze sculpture of the people, and generally agree with what you said about sculptures of happy people. I do like the classical tempietto portion. Classical architecture lends nobility to things, which I think works well for honoring survivors.

 

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10 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

Your anticipation of argument from me misses the mark; I was really just interested in hearing what you thought.

The imaginary question was intended to be rhetorical, and was not directed specifically at you. 
You're right. I should have phrased it more clearly. Sorry about the confusion.

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6 hours ago, dbigtex56 said:

Also, it's been my observation that realistic bronze sculptures of happy people often turn out very badly. The bronze of Mary Tyler Moore gayly tossing her hat in downtown Minneapolis looks like Skeletor on a bender. The depiction of a smiling Lucille Ball was so bizarre that it made national news. 

 

LOL @ MTM. :lol:

 

That Lucy sculpture was indeed hideous - it has since been replaced with a considerably better one.

 

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Those sculptures bring to mind the old saying, "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I cannot think of a Classical or Neo-Classical sculpture where the figure's mouth is open with teeth showing.

 

The original Lucy sculpture doesn't look remotely like her. It doesn't look like Janet Reno or Eleanor Roosevelt either. ^_^ 

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1 hour ago, swtsig said:

why in the hell do we have multiple posts in row debating bronze sculptures when we have a new rendering???

 

 

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Indeed. Forget the bronze stuff. I like this.

Apologies for going off in the weeds. We old men who yell at clouds tend to do that too. :)

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Any updates regarding the site prep? I keep forgetting to visit this and the TCH Legacy Tower.

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18 hours ago, ekdrm2d1 said:

Any updates regarding the site prep? I keep forgetting to visit this and the TCH Legacy Tower.

 

Relax.  It's not expected to start until next year.

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Read an article in TMC: Pulse about this project. I'd have to crop the pages in order to post it. Believe it was the May 2018 issue.

 

Wonder if these billion dollar TMC projects will increase the value of home real estate 5 miles away :ph34r:

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Greater Houston Partnership has the 'State of the Texas Medical Center' on Thursday with Bill McKeon as the keynote.  I imagine there will be updates on TMC3 progress.

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On 11/12/2018 at 0:25 PM, CREguy13 said:

Greater Houston Partnership has the 'State of the Texas Medical Center' on Thursday with Bill McKeon as the keynote.  I imagine there will be updates on TMC3 progress.

 

Update from the meeting?

 

Think I was at a part of TMC3 today.  7211 Bertner Ave.. anybody know what project that address belongs to or can confirm

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The sign the city requires them to post is on S. Braeswood near Wyndale but I think parts of it will front both Braeswood and Bertner

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5 minutes ago, hindesky said:

The sign the city requires them to post is on S. Braeswood near Wyndale but I think parts of it will front both Braeswood and Bertner

 

Thank you sir.

 

We took similar photos this week. I’m post mine here shortly 

 

edit: From the above rendering in the TMC magazine that confirms where I was

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I hate to see him go. He seemed to have a genuine love of this project and seemed to be the driving force. I hate to think what his sudden departure could suggest.

 I hope this project doesn't lose steam especially since  UT signed up.

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48 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said:

 

Perfectly reasonable to be initially concerned, but like with most changes and transitions to another CEO its all about what skill set is needed for a CEO at a particular time. Now that the idea has been generated and instituted, its probably best that he moves on to the next place where he can began another creative/intellectual project to incubate. Now is the time where you bring in a CEO who knows how to get the big project built. Very rarely do CEO's hold their positions for very long anyway. They are there to simply provide a guiding vision and then move on. The lighthouse has been built, and lite for the ship to follow. Reminds of how people were concerned about the transitioning of CEO's for TCR project (again perfectly reasonable fear), yet they went and got the exact CEO they needed to move the project forward, and look where they are now. Not like TMC is empty of people that can step up and take hold...its the TMC. The biggest and baddest place anyone would want to lead.

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From what I can find, it seems he was not involved with TMC3, let alone its leader.  He was the head of TMCx and the TMC Innovation Institute.  I think those are entirely different from TMC3.

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You know looking at the map. If this gets built they really need to shift part of the redline from Greenbriar to Fannin. Thats a difference in like 3-4 normal sized city blocks (the blocks down south are massive). There is currently nothing on Greenbriar but parking lots. Fannin would make more sense.

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Bisnow's National Healthcare South event is at the Intercontinental on Wednesday, February 27th.  Looking at the agenda there is a big segment where executives of the different hospital partners, along with Bill Mckeon, talk about the Design, Innovation and Impact of TMC3.  There is also a segment where they talk about Development and investment including Major mixed-use campuses with speakers from Medistar and Trammell Crow and Medistar, among others.  I am guessing we will have a LOT of great info. to discuss after this event.

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On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 9:28 PM, CREguy13 said:

Bisnow's National Healthcare South event is at the Intercontinental on Wednesday, February 27th.  Looking at the agenda there is a big segment where executives of the different hospital partners, along with Bill Mckeon, talk about the Design, Innovation and Impact of TMC3.  There is also a segment where they talk about Development and investment including Major mixed-use campuses with speakers from Medistar and Trammell Crow and Medistar, among others.  I am guessing we will have a LOT of great info. to discuss after this event.


So, will we have a HAIF spy at this event? 

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On 2/16/2019 at 9:28 PM, CREguy13 said:

Bisnow's National Healthcare South event is at the Intercontinental on Wednesday, February 27th.  Looking at the agenda there is a big segment where executives of the different hospital partners, along with Bill Mckeon, talk about the Design, Innovation and Impact of TMC3.  There is also a segment where they talk about Development and investment including Major mixed-use campuses with speakers from Medistar and Trammell Crow and Medistar, among others.  I am guessing we will have a LOT of great info. to discuss after this event.

Oh I have no doubt that this campus will spur mixed use all around it to cater to the working professionals there. This is going to be epic.

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18 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

Oh I have no doubt that this campus will spur mixed use all around it to cater to the working professionals there. This is going to be epic.

 

I couldn't agree more. TMC3 is going to reshape the city. Too many new, high paying jobs, attracting people from typically very urban places (Boston, etc.) mean there will be massive interest in living close to work in the south Houston area.

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59 minutes ago, Timoric said:

Just outside South Loop getting any love? I always wonder about that near Astroworld

Just my opinion, but I'd think the area in between will need to take off first. Might be 10 - 15 years outside the loop given how long I saw midtown take to get a true synergy going. The other issue is that you have 610 cutting off walkable/biking access... so it's not as convenient as something along south main within 610.

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2 hours ago, brian0123 said:

Just my opinion, but I'd think the area in between will need to take off first. Might be 10 - 15 years outside the loop given how long I saw midtown take to get a true synergy going. The other issue is that you have 610 cutting off walkable/biking access... so it's not as convenient as something along south main within 610.

I agree. I do think it won’t take as long though to build up the neighborhood. Midtown was a disaster prior to redevelopment but the areas around the TMC have enough potential to develop very fast. I’d say developers will jump on as much land as possible within the first 5 years. 

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Was skeptical of the new look. Will miss the double helix building in the center, but this is actually going to be better overall. Turning the double helix from a building into a promenade will make this area very unique and give back more public space. This also seems to be an effort to not throw all the 5 institutions money into one basket and instead spread it out more so there will be quicker development of each individual building. Regardless, once this space is finished there will be nothing like it in Houston. We simply don't have promenade/square/continuous urban landscapes like this here.

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The new design isn't bad by any means, but it's a little bit of a let down considering how the original design actually had the building shaped as the double helix versus just walkways. I love some of the new design features from the 3 new images, but I really want to see some renderings showing more detail of the total structure itself.

 

Still a win for the city of Houston considering what it will bring.

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20 minutes ago, CaptainJilliams said:

The new design isn't bad by any means, but it's a little bit of a let down considering how the original design actually had the building shaped as the double helix versus just walkways. I love some of the new design features from the 3 new images, but I really want to see some renderings showing more detail of the total structure itself.

 

Still a win for the city of Houston considering what it will bring.

 

I'm sure at some point discussions came to this question: What is this central double helix building going to be for? Is it flexible enough and robust enough for us to use this building as a collaboration space? Is this just a cool building just for the sake of being cool? Don't get me wrong. I liked the original building, but it was clearly a concept to simply get the conversation started. This new version seems to be using the same idea, but instead of having the double helix be a form, instead its a void. I mean look at my quote in my signature. "When you are looking for a solution to what you have been told is an architectural problem--remember, the solution may not be a building." The answer to the previous questions that were probably asked was the center doesn't need to be a building to bring us together to this one location. Its the space itself symbolically that does. At that point the central building can disappear and now more resources can be decentralized from one building to many.

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Solely basing on these three renderings, it is not groundbreaking like the original design was. Definitely has lost its edge.  And personally, other than that awesome Houston freeway map on the ceiling, I dislike it. 

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The area it lies within is not super griddy, but is anyone else disappointed by the lack of streets incorporated into the design? Looks like a massive suburban project to me. Although this area could be argued it is more suburban than urban already. hmmm

 

Where is the parking? Are there garages underground? Or will it all be podium style?

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4 minutes ago, lockmat said:

The area it lies within is not super griddy, but is anyone else disappointed by the lack of streets incorporated into the design? Looks like a massive suburban project to me. Although this area could be argued it is more suburban than urban already. hmmm

 

Where is the parking? Are there garages underground? Or will it all be podium style?

 

Completely opposite. This is very Urban in concept. More streets and more parking would making it look like the suburban campuses of old. It looks like large urban developments i've walked through while in Germany. Particularly my last trip where I visit areas like Europaviertel in Stuttgart. From the description it seems like its going to be all underground. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire campus has two levels of underground parking to cover all future expansions. think underground parking like under the park near Jones Hall.

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Keep in mind that the existing use of this property is two massive surface parking lots for TMC employees who are shuttled into other buildings. Those parkers will have to be accommodated or relocated to another site.

 

Underground parking for the TMC3 site alone would be astoundingly expensive. We shall see.

 

At least OST and Braeswood are pretty big roads that should be able to handle the extra traffic.

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Houston Exponential posted a beautiful render on Instagram for their plans for the research campus. Does anyone have any way of posting that? I'm having toruble

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