dbigtex56 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 19 hours ago, H-Town Man said: What do you not like about it? I found it dignified What bothers me about this sculpture is that it uses literal devices to address abstract concepts. It's as if someone said "OK, we have ten seconds to come up with an idea. Ready, set, GO!", and this was the result. It's meant to be unambiguous and understood at a glance. It's too damn easy and obvious to mean anything. "So, wise guy, " I hear you thinking, "what do you propose instead?" And all I can say in reply is "Something better." I've known and loved people who've had cancer. In no case is there ever anything easy or obvious about it. For some people it was a battle that was fought fiercely, for others a matter of acceptance. In no case did I think of them as bedraggled people who merely had to leap through some arbitrary jumbles of square shapes and emerge frolicking. Shazam! I'm cured! Also, it's been my observation that realistic bronze sculptures of happy people often turn out very badly. The bronze of Mary Tyler Moore gayly tossing her hat in downtown Minneapolis looks like Skeletor on a bender. The depiction of a smiling Lucille Ball was so bizarre that it made national news. To me, the Bloch figures look like cartoon characters. I would rather see something that allows people to project their own experiences and feelings on it, something that invites contemplation. The existing sculpture is a one-liner. This is my opinion, which is not open to debate. If the sculptor cannot convince me to like his work, I doubt that words will. If other people like it, good for them. I think it's kitschy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, dbigtex56 said: What bothers me about this sculpture is that it uses literal devices to address abstract concepts. It's as if someone said "OK, we have ten seconds to come up with an idea. Ready, set, GO!", and this was the result. It's meant to be unambiguous and understood at a glance. It's too damn easy and obvious to mean anything. "So, wise guy, " I hear you thinking, "what do you propose instead?" And all I can say in reply is "Something better." I've known and loved people who've had cancer. In no case is there ever anything easy or obvious about it. For some people it was a battle that was fought fiercely, for others a matter of acceptance. In no case did I think of them as bedraggled people who merely had to leap through some arbitrary jumbles of square shapes and emerge frolicking. Shazam! I'm cured! Also, it's been my observation that realistic bronze sculptures of happy people often turn out very badly. The bronze of Mary Tyler Moore gayly tossing her hat in downtown Minneapolis looks like Skeletor on a bender. The depiction of a smiling Lucille Ball was so bizarre that it made national news. To me, the Bloch figures look like cartoon characters. I would rather see something that allows people to project their own experiences and feelings on it, something that invites contemplation. The existing sculpture is a one-liner. This is my opinion, which is not open to debate. If the sculptor cannot convince me to like his work, I doubt that words will. If other people like it, good for them. I think it's kitschy. Your anticipation of argument from me misses the mark; I was really just interested in hearing what you thought. I don't really like the bronze sculpture of the people, and generally agree with what you said about sculptures of happy people. I do like the classical tempietto portion. Classical architecture lends nobility to things, which I think works well for honoring survivors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, H-Town Man said: Your anticipation of argument from me misses the mark; I was really just interested in hearing what you thought. The imaginary question was intended to be rhetorical, and was not directed specifically at you. You're right. I should have phrased it more clearly. Sorry about the confusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkultra25 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 hours ago, dbigtex56 said: Also, it's been my observation that realistic bronze sculptures of happy people often turn out very badly. The bronze of Mary Tyler Moore gayly tossing her hat in downtown Minneapolis looks like Skeletor on a bender. The depiction of a smiling Lucille Ball was so bizarre that it made national news. LOL @ MTM. That Lucy sculpture was indeed hideous - it has since been replaced with a considerably better one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) and how can we forget...Ronaldo?! Edited May 30, 2018 by Naviguessor 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specwriter Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Those sculptures bring to mind the old saying, "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I cannot think of a Classical or Neo-Classical sculpture where the figure's mouth is open with teeth showing. The original Lucy sculpture doesn't look remotely like her. It doesn't look like Janet Reno or Eleanor Roosevelt either. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post swtsig Posted May 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2018 why in the hell do we have multiple posts in row debating bronze sculptures when we have a new rendering??? 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specwriter Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, swtsig said: why in the hell do we have multiple posts in row debating bronze sculptures when we have a new rendering??? Indeed. Forget the bronze stuff. I like this. Apologies for going off in the weeds. We old men who yell at clouds tend to do that too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Photos of the staging area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Any updates regarding the site prep? I keep forgetting to visit this and the TCH Legacy Tower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 18 hours ago, ekdrm2d1 said: Any updates regarding the site prep? I keep forgetting to visit this and the TCH Legacy Tower. Relax. It's not expected to start until next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChannelTwoNews Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Profile of the architect behind "Helix Park" and a fair amount on the park itself... http://www.tmc.edu/news/2018/08/a-high-line-for-houston/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Read an article in TMC: Pulse about this project. I'd have to crop the pages in order to post it. Believe it was the May 2018 issue. Wonder if these billion dollar TMC projects will increase the value of home real estate 5 miles away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 https://tmcpulse.uberflip.com/i/980339-may-2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CREguy13 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Greater Houston Partnership has the 'State of the Texas Medical Center' on Thursday with Bill McKeon as the keynote. I imagine there will be updates on TMC3 progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 0:25 PM, CREguy13 said: Greater Houston Partnership has the 'State of the Texas Medical Center' on Thursday with Bill McKeon as the keynote. I imagine there will be updates on TMC3 progress. Update from the meeting? Think I was at a part of TMC3 today. 7211 Bertner Ave.. anybody know what project that address belongs to or can confirm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 The sign the city requires them to post is on S. Braeswood near Wyndale but I think parts of it will front both Braeswood and Bertner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, hindesky said: The sign the city requires them to post is on S. Braeswood near Wyndale but I think parts of it will front both Braeswood and Bertner Thank you sir. We took similar photos this week. I’m post mine here shortly edit: From the above rendering in the TMC magazine that confirms where I was Edited November 25, 2018 by ekdrm2d1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 From today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 McKeon is calling this a City Center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 From the Dec/Jan TMC: Pulse magainze http://www.tmc.edu/news/tmc-pulse/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 https://www.chron.com/business/bizfeed/article/TMC-confirms-that-leader-of-its-Innovation-13524528.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I hate to see him go. He seemed to have a genuine love of this project and seemed to be the driving force. I hate to think what his sudden departure could suggest. I hope this project doesn't lose steam especially since UT signed up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 That is my fear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said: https://www.chron.com/business/bizfeed/article/TMC-confirms-that-leader-of-its-Innovation-13524528.php Perfectly reasonable to be initially concerned, but like with most changes and transitions to another CEO its all about what skill set is needed for a CEO at a particular time. Now that the idea has been generated and instituted, its probably best that he moves on to the next place where he can began another creative/intellectual project to incubate. Now is the time where you bring in a CEO who knows how to get the big project built. Very rarely do CEO's hold their positions for very long anyway. They are there to simply provide a guiding vision and then move on. The lighthouse has been built, and lite for the ship to follow. Reminds of how people were concerned about the transitioning of CEO's for TCR project (again perfectly reasonable fear), yet they went and got the exact CEO they needed to move the project forward, and look where they are now. Not like TMC is empty of people that can step up and take hold...its the TMC. The biggest and baddest place anyone would want to lead. Edited January 14, 2019 by Luminare 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 From what I can find, it seems he was not involved with TMC3, let alone its leader. He was the head of TMCx and the TMC Innovation Institute. I think those are entirely different from TMC3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) DUP Post. Sorry Edited January 14, 2019 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Somewhat related - according to this map, UTHealth plans to construct new research buildings at the corner of OST & Bertner. https://checkout.na1.netsuite.com/core/media/media.nl?id=13739400&c=852252&h=9c5fcecee06ce8c87675&_xt=.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 You know looking at the map. If this gets built they really need to shift part of the redline from Greenbriar to Fannin. Thats a difference in like 3-4 normal sized city blocks (the blocks down south are massive). There is currently nothing on Greenbriar but parking lots. Fannin would make more sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CREguy13 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Bisnow's National Healthcare South event is at the Intercontinental on Wednesday, February 27th. Looking at the agenda there is a big segment where executives of the different hospital partners, along with Bill Mckeon, talk about the Design, Innovation and Impact of TMC3. There is also a segment where they talk about Development and investment including Major mixed-use campuses with speakers from Medistar and Trammell Crow and Medistar, among others. I am guessing we will have a LOT of great info. to discuss after this event. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AREJAY Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 9:28 PM, CREguy13 said: Bisnow's National Healthcare South event is at the Intercontinental on Wednesday, February 27th. Looking at the agenda there is a big segment where executives of the different hospital partners, along with Bill Mckeon, talk about the Design, Innovation and Impact of TMC3. There is also a segment where they talk about Development and investment including Major mixed-use campuses with speakers from Medistar and Trammell Crow and Medistar, among others. I am guessing we will have a LOT of great info. to discuss after this event. So, will we have a HAIF spy at this event? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 9:28 PM, CREguy13 said: Bisnow's National Healthcare South event is at the Intercontinental on Wednesday, February 27th. Looking at the agenda there is a big segment where executives of the different hospital partners, along with Bill Mckeon, talk about the Design, Innovation and Impact of TMC3. There is also a segment where they talk about Development and investment including Major mixed-use campuses with speakers from Medistar and Trammell Crow and Medistar, among others. I am guessing we will have a LOT of great info. to discuss after this event. Oh I have no doubt that this campus will spur mixed use all around it to cater to the working professionals there. This is going to be epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0123 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 18 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said: Oh I have no doubt that this campus will spur mixed use all around it to cater to the working professionals there. This is going to be epic. I couldn't agree more. TMC3 is going to reshape the city. Too many new, high paying jobs, attracting people from typically very urban places (Boston, etc.) mean there will be massive interest in living close to work in the south Houston area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) - Edited July 12, 2019 by Timoric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0123 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, Timoric said: Just outside South Loop getting any love? I always wonder about that near Astroworld Just my opinion, but I'd think the area in between will need to take off first. Might be 10 - 15 years outside the loop given how long I saw midtown take to get a true synergy going. The other issue is that you have 610 cutting off walkable/biking access... so it's not as convenient as something along south main within 610. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, brian0123 said: Just my opinion, but I'd think the area in between will need to take off first. Might be 10 - 15 years outside the loop given how long I saw midtown take to get a true synergy going. The other issue is that you have 610 cutting off walkable/biking access... so it's not as convenient as something along south main within 610. I agree. I do think it won’t take as long though to build up the neighborhood. Midtown was a disaster prior to redevelopment but the areas around the TMC have enough potential to develop very fast. I’d say developers will jump on as much land as possible within the first 5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The design has been updated. Elkus Manfredi Architects are now part of the design team: https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2019/05/01/designs-for-new-37-acre-tmc3-campus-updated-as.html?iana=hpmvp_hstn_news_headline 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Highrise Tower Posted May 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2019 Renderings: 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AREJAY Posted May 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, ekdrm2d1 said: Renderings: Love that Houston highway map light! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Was skeptical of the new look. Will miss the double helix building in the center, but this is actually going to be better overall. Turning the double helix from a building into a promenade will make this area very unique and give back more public space. This also seems to be an effort to not throw all the 5 institutions money into one basket and instead spread it out more so there will be quicker development of each individual building. Regardless, once this space is finished there will be nothing like it in Houston. We simply don't have promenade/square/continuous urban landscapes like this here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJilliams Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The new design isn't bad by any means, but it's a little bit of a let down considering how the original design actually had the building shaped as the double helix versus just walkways. I love some of the new design features from the 3 new images, but I really want to see some renderings showing more detail of the total structure itself. Still a win for the city of Houston considering what it will bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Response Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 It looks so "Logan's Run". All that's missing is "Carousel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, CaptainJilliams said: The new design isn't bad by any means, but it's a little bit of a let down considering how the original design actually had the building shaped as the double helix versus just walkways. I love some of the new design features from the 3 new images, but I really want to see some renderings showing more detail of the total structure itself. Still a win for the city of Houston considering what it will bring. I'm sure at some point discussions came to this question: What is this central double helix building going to be for? Is it flexible enough and robust enough for us to use this building as a collaboration space? Is this just a cool building just for the sake of being cool? Don't get me wrong. I liked the original building, but it was clearly a concept to simply get the conversation started. This new version seems to be using the same idea, but instead of having the double helix be a form, instead its a void. I mean look at my quote in my signature. "When you are looking for a solution to what you have been told is an architectural problem--remember, the solution may not be a building." The answer to the previous questions that were probably asked was the center doesn't need to be a building to bring us together to this one location. Its the space itself symbolically that does. At that point the central building can disappear and now more resources can be decentralized from one building to many. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intencity77 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Solely basing on these three renderings, it is not groundbreaking like the original design was. Definitely has lost its edge. And personally, other than that awesome Houston freeway map on the ceiling, I dislike it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lockmat Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The area it lies within is not super griddy, but is anyone else disappointed by the lack of streets incorporated into the design? Looks like a massive suburban project to me. Although this area could be argued it is more suburban than urban already. hmmm Where is the parking? Are there garages underground? Or will it all be podium style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, lockmat said: The area it lies within is not super griddy, but is anyone else disappointed by the lack of streets incorporated into the design? Looks like a massive suburban project to me. Although this area could be argued it is more suburban than urban already. hmmm Where is the parking? Are there garages underground? Or will it all be podium style? Completely opposite. This is very Urban in concept. More streets and more parking would making it look like the suburban campuses of old. It looks like large urban developments i've walked through while in Germany. Particularly my last trip where I visit areas like Europaviertel in Stuttgart. From the description it seems like its going to be all underground. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire campus has two levels of underground parking to cover all future expansions. think underground parking like under the park near Jones Hall. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Keep in mind that the existing use of this property is two massive surface parking lots for TMC employees who are shuttled into other buildings. Those parkers will have to be accommodated or relocated to another site. Underground parking for the TMC3 site alone would be astoundingly expensive. We shall see. At least OST and Braeswood are pretty big roads that should be able to handle the extra traffic. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Maybe a new parking garage at Smithlands station? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) Houston Exponential posted a beautiful render on Instagram for their plans for the research campus. Does anyone have any way of posting that? I'm having toruble Edited May 1, 2019 by j_cuevas713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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