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On 6/8/2023 at 10:38 AM, stuckINdallas said:

This is what Bard says..

Q: Which city is better for the ARPA-H hub? Dallas or Houston?

Both Dallas and Houston are excellent candidates for the ARPA-H hub. However, there are some key differences between the two cities that may make one a better fit than the other.

Dallas

Dallas is a major financial and business hub, with a strong economy and a large pool of talent.
The city is home to a number of top universities, including UT Southwestern Medical Center and Southern Methodist University.
Dallas has a relatively low cost of living, making it an attractive place for businesses and individuals.
The city has a strong track record of attracting and retaining top talent in the life sciences industry.

Houston

Houston is home to the Texas Medical Center, the largest medical complex in the world.
The city has a strong track record of attracting and retaining top talent in the life sciences industry.
Houston has a relatively low cost of living, making it an attractive place for businesses and individuals.
The city has a strong track record of innovation and collaboration in the life sciences industry.
Ultimately, the decision of which city will host the ARPA-H hub will come down to a number of factors, including the strength of the bids, the political climate, and the availability of funding. However, both Dallas and Houston are excellent candidates and either city would be a great fit for the hub.

Q: If Houston is home to the Texas Medical Center, the largest medical complex in the world, wouldn't it be a better choice? 

Yes, Houston's location in the Texas Medical Center, the largest medical complex in the world, would certainly be a big plus for the city's bid to host the ARPA-H hub. The Texas Medical Center is home to over 100 hospitals and research institutions, and it attracts top talent from around the world. This would provide a strong foundation for the ARPA-H hub, which is expected to create thousands of jobs and generate billions of dollars in economic activity.

In addition to the Texas Medical Center, Houston also has a strong track record of innovation and collaboration in the life sciences industry. The city is home to a number of startups and established companies, and it is a major center for research and development. This would provide a fertile environment for the ARPA-H hub to thrive.

However, it is important to note that Dallas also has a strong bid for the ARPA-H hub. The city is home to a number of top universities, including UT Southwestern Medical Center and Southern Methodist University. Dallas also has a strong track record of attracting and retaining top talent in the life sciences industry.

Ultimately, the decision of which city will host the ARPA-H hub will come down to a number of factors, including the strength of the bids, the political climate, and the availability of funding. However, both Houston and Dallas are excellent candidates and either city would be a great fit for the hub.

Dallas Morning News article today states that ARPA-H sites should be announced this Fall.  Here is the link:  https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2023/09/14/next-phase-moves-ahead-at-dallas-blossoming-biotech-hub-pegasus-park/

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The impact of Pegasus Park on the Dallas area can’t be overstated,” said Tyler Whitaker, vice president and division manager of Swinerton’s Dallas office, in a statement.

Pegasus Park is being promoted by a coalition of Texas cities as a potential site for the federal government’s new biomedical research agency. For more than a year, science advocates conducted a targeted campaign to convince lawmakers that Texas is the right fit for the $2.5 billion Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health, a Biden administration undertaking to accelerate biomedical health and technology discoveries.

Dallas leaders joined forces with Austin and San Antonio in a bid to win one of three coveted ARPA-H sites. One will be in Washington, D.C., and the remaining two are expected to be announced this fall.

The battle for the ARPA-H hub will be competitive, with the Dallas, Austin and San Antonio delegation likely up against bids from biotech homes like California’s Silicon Valley or North Carolina’s Research Triangle. A Houston coalition spearheaded by the Texas Medical Center also is competing for one.

Since announcement of the bidding process back in April 2022 I counted at least 3 articles in the DMN cheerleading the Dallas coalition.  The Houston Comical has printed exactly ZERO articles.  🤨  Let’s hope credentials win out on this one and not politics.  It is rare that Houston and Dallas go head-to-head on these types of bids.  Fingers crossed for Houston.

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If Texas wins the 2nd Hub, I'll be SHOCKED if it's Dallas and not Houston.  Hub No. 2 is focused on enhancing clinical trials for diverse patient populations.  I'm pretty sure TMC performs more clinical trials than anywhere in the world and we're the most diverse city in the United States.

I have to assume that all the hospital presidents, major TMC stakeholders, and our represented officials at every level of government are pushing hard because of the opportunity and how perfect a fit Houston is.  I don't think Dallas can win this one

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4 hours ago, CREguy13 said:

If Texas wins the 2nd Hub, I'll be SHOCKED if it's Dallas and not Houston.  Hub No. 2 is focused on enhancing clinical trials for diverse patient populations.  I'm pretty sure TMC performs more clinical trials than anywhere in the world and we're the most diverse city in the United States.

I have to assume that all the hospital presidents, major TMC stakeholders, and our represented officials at every level of government are pushing hard because of the opportunity and how perfect a fit Houston is.  I don't think Dallas can win this one

Don’t underestimate what Dallas is capable of.  The Texas centennial celebration was held in Dallas for no logical reason.  Dallas was not relevant to Texas independence.  There were no battles fought in that part of the state…but Dallas paid off the right people to get the festivities held there in 1936.  Dallas’ Fair Park would not be what it is today without that Centennial Exposition.  Houston city leaders need to be on their game to win this.

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On 9/14/2023 at 3:54 PM, steve1363 said:

Dallas Morning News article today states that ARPA-H sites should be announced this Fall.  Here is the link:  https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2023/09/14/next-phase-moves-ahead-at-dallas-blossoming-biotech-hub-pegasus-park/

and a blurb…

Since announcement of the bidding process back in April 2022 I counted at least 3 articles in the DMN cheerleading the Dallas coalition.  The Houston Comical has printed exactly ZERO articles.  🤨  Let’s hope credentials win out on this one and not politics.  It is rare that Houston and Dallas go head-to-head on these types of bids.  Fingers crossed for Houston.

I did find one article in the Chronicle. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/Texas-makes-case-to-Biden-to-host-new-medical-17070715.php

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On 9/17/2023 at 12:30 PM, steve1363 said:

Right, I said SINCE April 2022.  So in basically a year and a half the Chronicle has published nothing.

Yeah, and that article talked about as much about the other cities as it did about Houston.  Interesting that the Chron article says the four cities are working together. The recent DMN article makes it sound like it's Houston vs AUS/DAL/SAT

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Total shock. Sick to my stomach that our leaders couldn't get this done. I really don't understand how Dallas makes more sense than Houston given all of our strengths and advantages in this area.  Total failure of leadership from the TMC, city, etc.

 

"Houston originally submitted an independent application but later joined the Dallas-led coalition, said Matt Crommett, who helped lead the statewide effort."

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5 hours ago, CREguy13 said:

Total shock. Sick to my stomach that our leaders couldn't get this done. I really don't understand how Dallas makes more sense than Houston given all of our strengths and advantages in this area.  Total failure of leadership from the TMC, city, etc.

 

"Houston originally submitted an independent application but later joined the Dallas-led coalition, said Matt Crommett, who helped lead the statewide effort."

I was waiting to see if the local news stations would report on this and I didn’t hear a peep about it.  Something tells me Dallas knew Houston was not a serious contender.  Thus all the positive coverage in the DMN.  This blurb stands out:

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A Houston consortium led by the Texas Medical Center also vied for the customer experience hub. Both the Dallas and Houston coalitions were selected to host site visits for the ARPA-H team, after which the Houston bid was eliminated, Luce said.

“It was disappointing. We wish they had not decided to. We wanted from the beginning for it to be a Texas bid, but Houston decided they were better off to go by themselves,” Luce said. “But, we certainly welcome them back. They have a lot to offer.”

Lyda Hill Philanthropies played a significant role not only in forming the Dallas, Austin and San Antonio bid, but in establishing North Texas as an incubator for biotech research.

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North Texas politicos also got in on the application action, with several lawmakers across the ideological spectrum penning a letter inviting Wegrzyn and Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra to visit Pegasus Park for themselves.

The Texas bid that ultimately won was a statewide effort that required coordination from groups including the Dallas Regional Chamber and the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas. Luce said he and his team had a list of more than 600 people involved with the application to call following Tuesday’s announcement.

It’s noteworthy that Austin and San Antonio sided with Dallas.  Somehow Houston comes off as not being a team player.

Will this become a defining moment in Houston’s history?  Right now it feels like a huge opportunity LOST.

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^^^ surprised?  really?  maybe, just maybe, some of you will now take the time to STOP... LOOK... and LISTEN.  no matter what on earth our fair city of houston can accomplish through innovation... creativity... start-up... advancement... and overall success... we are still considered nationally to be a BLUE COLLAR city in lieu of DALLAS, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO.  no matter what, we just cannot seem to break this long-standing decades and centuries-old very precarious image.  heck, we cannot even decide what to do with our very antiquated, and falling apart aging astrodome.  should the astrodome be located in DALLAS vs. AUSTIN, you had better rest assured that something would have been done about it by now.  

basically, everyone, the world over... always in some form or fashion seems to be heralding the fact that the CITY of HOUSTON harbors the WORLD'S LARGEST MEDICAL CENTER.  (basically, everyone who harbors the means, comes to us for some form of specialty treatment or whatever)  yet, we just lost out to DALLAS once again for one of our nation's most innovative and lucrative federal biotech research hubs.  WHAT THE HELL?  HOUSTON NEEDED THIS!  HOW ON EARTH DOES THIS EVEN HAPPEN?  therefore, am i really surprised... NOPE!  i have been reiterating over and over again, that something is really wrong here.  something is just not right here.  actually, it goes to show us just what the US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT really thinks of houston.  presenting dallas with this very lucrative research victory is a complete testament to this fact.

one can only just imagine the current mindset of our city and medical center officials in regard to this shocking/stunning loss.  what on earth is the use of constructing such large centers of medical and research innovation, if we cannot land federal government contracts to assist with this mission?  the brand spanking new HELIX PARK complex is spending literally billions of dollars on this magnificent project, yet, we are already losing out to dallas with their very lesser-known PEGASUS PARK complex.  THIS IS AN INSULT TO OUR FAIR CITY and they should be aware of this.  dallas is probably licking their high dollar chops at this point.  (what a stunning victory for them)

however, all, that i can truly and factually state at this very important point is... I AM NOT SURPRISED...  

 

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I think Monarch's "How on Earth Does This Even Happen" needs to be seriously studied.  DFW has landed many economic plums in the last few years. Many more than Houston. This latest bit of news is humiliating considering the tens of thousands of biomedical professions in our city. I have my scapegoats; poor flood planning, bad media from previous tropical cyclones, and of course everyone's favorite, bungling politicians. In truth the answer is likely more complex. This hopefully will be a wake up call.

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13 minutes ago, Twinsanity02 said:

I think Monarch's "How on Earth Does This Even Happen" needs to be seriously studied.  DFW has landed many economic plums in the last few years. Many more than Houston. This latest bit of news is humiliating considering the tens of thousands of biomedical professions in our city. I have my scapegoats; poor flood planning, bad media from previous tropical cyclones, and of course everyone's favorite, bungling politicians. In truth the answer is likely more complex. This hopefully will be a wake up call.

It's not that complicated and has nothing to do with Houston being blue-collar or flooding.  Dallas simply knows how to play the game.  They had a very coordinated and well-funded campaign to land this bid which has been in the making for over a year.  Just look at the politicians that Dallas had lobbying on it's behalf.  Who is Houston's representative in Washington?  Not to mention the State of Texas has been boosting Dallas for the last several years, enabling them to win corporate HQ locations and now the ARPA-H hub.  Surely the Houston contingent was banking on the reputation of the Texas Medical Center and thought it was a no-brainer for Houston to be selected.  Meanwhile, Dallas gathered support from Austin, San Antonio, and other Texas lawmakers, and they hobnobbed with the right people in Washington.  I blame Sylvester Turner, Lina Hidalgo, the Greater Houston Partnership, and the TMC for letting this happen.  They should all be embarrassed as they were asleep at the wheel.  Obviously, they did not take this bid seriously and put forth their best effort.  Look at the committee led by Chris Canetti that brought the World Cup 2026 to Houston.  That didn't just happen.  Those guys worked their tails off to ensure Houston was one of the selected sites.  I only wish Chris and his team had been in charge of the ARPA-H hub.  I don't know if Houston can still recover from this.  Dallas is crowing that they will be the next biomedical hub along with Boston and the Bay Area.  I think that remains to be seen.  Perhaps many of us overestimated the importance of winning this bid.  The WSJ didn't even report on the selection.  This wasn't national news like the Amazon HQ selection was.  It does hurt though...

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No surprise at all. Dallas is way more attractive to national and international audiences than Houston even though the cities are extremely similar. Dallas some how doesn't have a lot of the same bad stereotypes that Houston does even though Dallas is just as hot, humid and ugly.

The state government also seems to be more friendly to Dallas compared to their open hostility toward Houston. 

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7 hours ago, steve1363 said:

It's not that complicated and has nothing to do with Houston being blue-collar or flooding.  Dallas simply knows how to play the game.  They had a very coordinated and well-funded campaign to land this bid which has been in the making for over a year.  Just look at the politicians that Dallas had lobbying on it's behalf.  Who is Houston's representative in Washington?  Not to mention the State of Texas has been boosting Dallas for the last several years, enabling them to win corporate HQ locations and now the ARPA-H hub.  Surely the Houston contingent was banking on the reputation of the Texas Medical Center and thought it was a no-brainer for Houston to be selected.  Meanwhile, Dallas gathered support from Austin, San Antonio, and other Texas lawmakers, and they hobnobbed with the right people in Washington.  I blame Sylvester Turner, Lina Hidalgo, the Greater Houston Partnership, and the TMC for letting this happen.  They should all be embarrassed as they were asleep at the wheel.  Obviously, they did not take this bid seriously and put forth their best effort.  Look at the committee led by Chris Canetti that brought the World Cup 2026 to Houston.  That didn't just happen.  Those guys worked their tails off to ensure Houston was one of the selected sites.  I only wish Chris and his team had been in charge of the ARPA-H hub.  I don't know if Houston can still recover from this.  Dallas is crowing that they will be the next biomedical hub along with Boston and the Bay Area.  I think that remains to be seen.  Perhaps many of us overestimated the importance of winning this bid.  The WSJ didn't even report on the selection.  This wasn't national news like the Amazon HQ selection was.  It does hurt though...

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^^^ i would like to start off by presenting your heavily (conservative) biased narrative with the BLACK question mark that it so deserves.

since you would like to lay blame upon the mayor of our fair city of houston, let us REALLY speak about the man himself... THE HONORABLE SYLVESTER TURNER.  this very compassionate and astute two-term mayor has been a mayor for ALL OF HOUSTON.  have you really paid any attention to all of the work that this mayor has been dutifully involved with just this past year or so?  he has traveled the world over lobbying and trying to network with sister cities toward the continued advancement of houston.  the city of houston's public HOUSING progress has become a model for the nation.  (have you not paid any attention to all of the nation's mayors venturing forth to houston this past year to learn about how innovative and successful we are in regard to public housing?)  the city of houston is very often branded as a DEMOCRATIC stronghold.  however, MAYOR TURNER (democrat) was extremely instrumental through hard work, lobbying, and networking to help houston land the 2028 NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY CONVENTION. (oh, and did i fail to mention that he's a DEMOCRAT?)  

i've noticed just how quickly you paid homage to "chris Canetti" in regard to landing the WORLD CUP 2026 to HOUSTON.  however, have you somehow forgotten all of the hard work that the mayor and his office participated in to help assist in this monumental effort?  MAYOR TURNER along with his staff worked tirelessly to help land this magnificent world sporting event to our fair city.  (after all, landing something of this magnitude always has to start with the MAYOR'S office... right?)

under MAYOR TURNER'S watch, the downtown district is booming.  brand new towers have been constructed and more are on the way.  mayor turner and his office were highly instrumental in helping JOHN WHITMIRE (current houston mayoral candidate)acquire state legislation to help houston participate in receiving approximately ($2billion) in state hotel occupancy tax revenues which will further assist houston in revitalizing the downtown convention district.

actually, i could go on and on and on and on with endless accomplishments regarding the HONORABLE MAYOR TURNER.  this most remarkable person has hereby achieved all of these spectacular achievements all the while fighting cancer throughout his term in office.  he keeps his head held high and is just as self-confident as ever.  this man was born and raised in houston... he dearly loves houston... and there is nothing that he wouldn't dutifully perform on behalf of our fair city.  i am deeply honored and proud of him...

 

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Wasn't going to get into it, but all this" woe is me' is what really embarrassing about this. Yes it sucks to lose out to Dallas, but that the cookie, as someone said, Dallas simply put more effort into it.  But Houston is far from hurting .. TMC  Helix is still powering along.. and to be honest this could a catalyst for the TMC to push ahead with the rest of it plans like TMC bioport and expansion of the southern portion of the Medical district. The last time Houston lost out on a national  bid it spurred the birth of the innovation district , didn't it?)

 

Houston taken some L but also won alot... not getting  the Space force...caused Houston  to double down on it commit to being  a major space hub...( every time I turn around  Space port Houston is growing with some new company or contract or building).

 

Remember when Dallas swore the trinity river project would put Houston bayou  renovation to shame? Yeah They are still a ditch  and we are building whole communities along our bayous now.

Shipping  channels has to stay being upgraded because it keeps growing. 

 

We are Houston  we will be better than fine

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