TMC Helix Park: Texas Medical Center Bio Research Campus

[H-Town Man]

13 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

That's not what I said. You are clearly misquoting me. I think you are the one who is trolling. Also the ad hominem attacks by @Luminare show his true colors, I am sorry to say.

 

TSU, HCC and SanJac is a hypothetical example I made. It is an extreme example, I know. That was the point. Because the "proof" that clustering "works" was also extreme, Harvard and MIT et al in Boston. Stanford, UC et al in SF. Clustering works there, so it must work in Houston too! I think you guys can come up with better counter arguments than that. Or maybe not. 

 

Any updates on the yoga lawns? 

 

Why pick an extreme example when you could just pick the obvious example right in front of you, that they are clustering with UT, A&M, and Rice? I'm not misquoting you at all.

 

[Luminare]

28 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

That's not what I said. You are clearly misquoting me. I think you are the one who is trolling. Also the ad hominem attacks by @Luminare show his true colors, I am sorry to say.

 

TSU, HCC and SanJac is a hypothetical example I made. It is an extreme example, I know. That was the point. Because the "proof" that clustering "works" was also extreme, Harvard and MIT et al in Boston. Stanford, UC et al in SF. Clustering works there, so it must work in Houston too! I think you guys can come up with better counter arguments than that. Or maybe not. 

 

Any updates on the yoga lawns? 

 

You're right. I'm not the one shilling for a political candidate. I'm such a terrible human being.

[102IAHexpress]

28 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Why pick an extreme example when you could just pick the obvious example right in front of you, that they are clustering with UT, A&M, and Rice? I'm not misquoting you at all.

 

 

You are misquoting me. And you are flat out making false statements for some reason. Rice has not made any plans of yet to be at TMC3. UT and TAMU are also not there, and were never at the original TMC. The Health Science centers are different universities within the UT and TAMU system. Like UH central and UH Downtown.  If, TAMU UT and Rice and Baylor College of Medicine were at TMC3, that could be a game changer. 

 

Lets stick with facts. 

[H-Town Man]

25 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

You are misquoting me. And you are flat out making false statements for some reason. Rice has not made any plans of yet to be at TMC3. UT and TAMU are also not there, and were never at the original TMC. The Health Science centers are different universities within the UT and TAMU system. Like UH central and UH Downtown.  If, TAMU UT and Rice and Baylor College of Medicine were at TMC3, that could be a game changer. 

 

Lets stick with facts. 

 

I never specified "university" when I wrote those names. I did say "institutions." Why would you not think I meant the systems? Whether it's the Health Science Centers or something else, it's coming from the same endowment. As far as Rice, they may not nominally be a part, but they are located closer to TMC3 than Harvard is to Kendall Square. So it's part of the cluster.

 

Those are the facts.

 

[102IAHexpress]

6 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

I never specified "university" when I wrote those names. I did say "institutions." Why would you not think I meant the systems? Whether it's the Health Science Centers or something else, it's coming from the same endowment. As far as Rice, they may not nominally be a part, but they are located closer to TMC3 than Harvard is to Kendall Square. So it's part of the cluster.

 

Those are the facts.

 

 

Tell that to a bio tech startup or investor. Yeah, invest in a biotech hub in the Rio Grande Valley! UT Rio Grande Valley is just as good as UT Austin. It's the same institution! 

 

It's always amusing watching you guys tie yourselves into knots. 

 

[texan]

14 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

I never specified "university" when I wrote those names. I did say "institutions." Why would you not think I meant the systems? Whether it's the Health Science Centers or something else, it's coming from the same endowment. As far as Rice, they may not nominally be a part, but they are located closer to TMC3 than Harvard is to Kendall Square. So it's part of the cluster.

 

Those are the facts.

 

An additional fact is that the Texas A&M Health Science Center is actually a component of the university in College Station, as of 2013, and its College of Medicine was founded as a part of TAMU before being split off to form the Health Science Center in 1999, contrary to his claim.

[102IAHexpress]

That's true the Health Science Center in Houston did merge with College Station in 2013. Forgot about that. Actually, Buzbee was a regent then, so i'm not sure why I forgot. Also in 2012 Texas Wesleyan University School of Law in Ft. Worth became the Texas A&M University School of Law. College Station was in expansion mode then.

[H-Town Man]

44 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

Tell that to a bio tech startup or investor. Yeah, invest in a biotech hub in the Rio Grande Valley! UT Rio Grande Valley is just as good as UT Austin. It's the same institution! 

 

It's always amusing watching you guys tie yourselves into knots. 

 

 

The UT system has historically sent lavish funds to its urban medical/research campuses and they have had no problem attracting researchers with the UT brand.

 

[102IAHexpress]

5 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

The UT system has historically sent lavish funds to its urban medical/research campuses and they have had no problem attracting researchers with the UT brand.

 

 

Please elaborate on these lavish funds that the UT system has sent to its research campuses. 

 

Again you guys just need to educate yourself more on how research works. The Health Science Center, or the Umbrella system funds very little if anything of the actual research. Yes, there are some (very very few) endowed professors that are being funded by the department. But most, instead are self funded. It takes many years, perhaps decades to be an endowed professor, if they even offer it all. Instead what most professors do is apply for grants, from say National Institutes of Heath or the DoD. If awarded, those grants are awarded to the professor. That's how you earn your salary and conduct research in America. Even the pipets and medical supplies are funded with grant money. Heck, even the administrative staff is paid from the research funds. If you're not self-funded, then you're out of a job. The Health Science center helps with the facilities, I guess. 

Also, the university does help with intellectual property. So, the patents my wife has were processed with IP attorneys from Methodist. But, even then the institute is getting a cut of the assets.

 

I would rather the universities awarded more research grants to the scientists and professors directly, instead of investing yoga lawns. That would attract more talent (in my opinion). 

[H-Town Man]

7 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

Please elaborate on these lavish funds that the UT system has sent to its research campuses. 

 

Again you guys just need to educate yourself more on how research works. The Health Science Center, or the Umbrella system funds very little if anything of the actual research. Yes, there are some (very very few) endowed professors that are being funded by the department. But most, instead are self funded. It takes many years, perhaps decades to be an endowed professor, if they even offer it all. Instead what most professors do is apply for grants, from say National Institutes of Heath or the DoD. If awarded, those grants are awarded to the professor. That's how you earn your salary and conduct research in America. Even the pipets and medical supplies are funded with grant money. Heck, even the administrative staff is paid from the research funds. If you're not self-funded, then you're out of a job. The Health Science center helps with the facilities, I guess. 

Also, the university does help with intellectual property. So, the patents my wife has were processed with IP attorneys from Methodist. But, even then the institute is getting a cut of the assets.

 

I would rather the universities awarded more research grants to the scientists and professors directly, instead of investing yoga lawns. That would attract more talent (in my opinion). 

 

Are M.D. Anderson, UT Southwestern, and the health science centers well funded? Is their prestige greater than UT Rio Grande Valley? I didn't say they funded actual research, the implication was that they have well-funded campuses that attract researchers. You're just going to argue until you get the last word; my mistake arguing with a troll.

 

[Moore713]

Yea everytime I see a new posting, I think it new information...instead  it just two people still having a D measuring contest.

[West Timer]

I'm starting to wonder if this thread is any way related to some kind of strange scary medical experiment that is going on at the TMC. Are there any reports of a loose internet obsessed guinea pig that might have broken out of a lab?

 

J/K🙃

Edited November 8, 2019 by West Timer

[blackjacks100]

9 hours ago, 102IAHexpress said:

There's no need for you guys to get so defensive and upset. We're just having a conversation. In typical HAIF fashion,  @blackjacks100 made the wild claim about clustering without any evidence to support it. I refuted his wild claim. It was as simple as that.

 

But I must say this inferiority complex and defense mechanism Houston has, is really off putting. They way Chicagoans handle valid critiques of their city versus how Houstonians handle critiques, is night and day. Chicagoans don't get so defensive and upset at even the national and presidential onslaughts of criticisms that come their city's way (murder capital, corruption, taxes, etc). Yet, someone makes a valid critique of the TMC and the response, is "oh he must be trolling." lol.

 

Yeah, Houston is just not on the world stage level yet, I am sorry to say. 

 

Yes you may be right about the fact that the prestigious universities in SF and Boston play a role in the massive amounts of VC. But if you think Rice, MDA, BMC aren’t “premier research institutions”, I don’t know what else to say. Yes I know Rice isn’t in TMC3 but they’re in the TMC and have expressed interest in joining. 
 

I’ll give my personal anecdote: I live in Boston, work in the biotech industry, and am getting my master’s in biotech. A lot of my colleagues/classmates/professors know, or have heard, about Rice and MDA and the research that has come out of them. If the largest biotech hub in the nation knows about these institutions I can bet every single other hub knows also.
 

I’m really sorry if I come off as defensive, but this is something that I wished was here when I graduated UH! Maybe I’m in cloud 9, but TMC3 is something that will elevate Houston’s profile in the life sciences industry and a place I would want to work in. And I really want to move back to Houston  

[Luminare]

2 hours ago, Moore713 said:

Yea everytime I see a new posting, I think it new information...instead  it just two people still having a D measuring contest.

 

Well once this project is up and running, it can't come soon enough because after this Texas sized D measuring contest is over, definitely one of them was royally shafted, and it wasn't via a suppository.

[KinkaidAlum]

In my 20 years or so on this site I've ignored two people. It's a great feature. It doesn't work when folks quote them though.

[Naviguessor]

What do we all say we make Friday a TMC3 comment free day. Wouldn’t that be nice? 

[Highrise Tower]

Looking at new renderings. Residential will be stacked on top of the hotel. Amazing stuff.

 

I’ll post the images later this evening.

[Naviguessor]

I vote we make an exception for ekdrm2d1. 

[j_cuevas713]

1 hour ago, ekdrm2d1 said:

Looking at new renderings. Residential will be stacked on top of the hotel. Amazing stuff.

 

I’ll post the images later this evening.

POST NOW DAMNIT! lol

[Luminare]

28 minutes ago, Naviguessor said:

I vote we make an exception for ekdrm2d1. 

 

I second this motion.

 

14 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said:

POST NOW DAMNIT! lol

 

proposed amendment to the previous motion endorsed.

[Highrise Tower]

The campus walk through from the State of Texas Medical Center 2019.  I'll save the residential/hotel for last. It's amazing.

 

You may want to watch the video on YouTube to hear McKeon narrate the campus details

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OkieEric]

45 minutes ago, ekdrm2d1 said:

The campus walk through from the State of Texas Medical Center 2019.  I'll save the residential/hotel for last. It's amazing.

 

You may want to watch the video on YouTube to hear McKeon narrate the campus detail

 

 

Easy enough to find on youtube, but here's the start of TMC3 discussion (only 22 views??):

 

 

[j_cuevas713]

OMG! I’m speechless 😶 

[Twinsanity02]

The TMC3 portion is very impressive. 

[TheSirDingle]

that looks like a whole city on its own, like f-ing wow. The design is absolutely stunning.

[H-Town Man]

Saw an article where McKeon said financial close is in March. Everything else was repeat info.

 

Edit: Also says it in the video.

 

Edited November 9, 2019 by H-Town Man

[Twinsanity02]

Time will tell if this is correct. This structure may become a photogenic signature area for Houston. Like the Astrodome used to be before it was copied.  I don't know any other city that has something like this. Anyone know?

[bobruss]

I'm not sure who the construction buildings are for that have been set up in between TMC3 and St. Lukes new campus on OST.

 

[HOUCAJUN]

I wonder what hotel brand will be selected. Absolutely amazing project. . Wow!

[texas911]

Let's get this party started already! Too bad UH blocked UT from opening a campus in Houston, it would have been a nice compliment to TMC3.