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Now that Eva Air has announced Taipei and United has announced the launch of IAH-SCL , what nonstops do y'all see IAH getting in the future?

 

IAH will have nonstops to PEK, ICN, DXB, DOH, NRT, TPE, and IST in Asia.

 

Nonstops to Europe include LHR, CDG, AMS, MUC, FRA, DME, and SVG in Europe.

 

Africa currently features LOS and the charter flight to LAD.

 

I could see United upgauging LAD to daily passenger service on a 787 for oil traffic. MAD would also make a solid route for Latin America connectivity (transit without visa would really help that along).

 

IAH has become quite a Star Alliance hub, and connections to BRU might not be out of the question. I am curious as to what more y'all see in IAH's future.

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We've been blessed with a ton of major new routes recently, I don't see that pace keeping up in the near future. I think we are basically saturated to east Asia with the EVA Air flight. The only thing I could see is PVG (Shanghai), which United could start with a 787, though they are pushing the delivery of their 788s back apparently so I don't know if they will have enough aircraft. The second daily Tokyo flight was cancelled recently, though theoretically ANA might add Tokyo-Haneda service in the future.

Deep South America is also more or less complete for the time being, maybe United could add CNF (Belo Horizonte) with the Azul partnership, but I don't really see that happening any time soon. Some of the more northern South American cities could be a possibility, definitely Maracaibo if things with Venezuela ever improve, as well as possibly going back to Guayaquil and/or Medillin/Cali which Continental used to serve. 

Central America is well served, there might be one or two random Mexican destinations added, but more likely we will get additional flights on non-United airlines to Mexican destinations already served like the VivaAerobus, Interjet, and AeroMexico flights being added recently. Spirit has apparently applied for 3 destinations in Mexico for a March start, but I can't remember which three they were. Volaris also has applied for some routes, but they might end up at Hobby next year. WestJet makes a lot of sense to Calgary, that's one that I'm pretty surprised hasn't happened yet. Maybe Toronto as well, as there's a good amount of traffic between the two cities. United may add some Caribbean cities like St. Maarten depending on how the Punta Cana route performs.

Europe is relatively well served, especially with the addition of Munich, but Madrid is an outside possibility which would be cool. Brussels or Zurich on Star Alliance airlines could make sense as well, but probably not both. As far as Africa goes, I don't think we will see any additional flights other than Lagos in the next decade. There's no way United will take over the LAD flight, even with a 787. Maybe an outside shot of JNB on United or South African one day.

The one airline/route that I'm surprised is not yet in IAH is Etihad to Abu Dhabi. It's pretty surprising that they are flying to Dallas (ew) before Houston. I could see that happening in the next 18 months. Also, I think United to Dubai would make some sense if they have enough 787s. Maybe Saudi Arabian or Royal Jordanian in the next 5-10 years. 

I would love to see Auckland service on Air New Zealand (I was so excited when Continental announced that route, but alas, United killed all our hopes and dreams), but I'm not banking on it.

 

Overall I'd say expect to see more Mexico additions than any long haul flying other than Taipei. But you never know, Korean Air was certainly a surprise, so maybe we will get some more nice announcements.

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Interesting. I think Guayaquil is within the range of the 737-800 and am surprised UA does not fly the route. Did they give up the Continental frequencies? PVG would be a nice add. HKG would also be cool.

I think the 787-8's were coverted into 787-10's to be delivered in the 2020's.

I think there was an offshore oil discovery near Porto Alegre, Brazil and wonder if that could become a good 767-300 route.

Good to hear we are going to see some tails other than United for North America flights.

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How about some direct service to Vietnam and India? Feel like this market could support that. I suppose Emirates and Qatar handle much of that demand now....

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How about some direct service to Vietnam and India? Feel like this market could support that. I suppose Emirates and Qatar handle much of that demand now....

 

Vietnam will never happen, the traffic is extremely low-yield, even though we have a ton of Vietnamese people in Houston. India maybe eventually, but probably not anytime soon.

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How are the loads on Houston - Seoul? We keep on looking at airlines adding routes, but some rumors say that this one might actually be canceled. I hope not!

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How are the loads on Houston - Seoul? We keep on looking at airlines adding routes, but some rumors say that this one might actually be canceled. I hope not!

It would suck if it is, but it might be taken up by UA.

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They belong to Oneworld and Emirates has control here getting ready to fly the Airbus 380.  All the America carriers should be warned.  Emirates, Qatar, Etihad are owned by the government.  They don't have to pay their jet fuel.  Lufthansa Airlines is forcing Germany to force them and not give them more slots to land there.   

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They belong to Oneworld and Emirates has control here getting ready to fly the Airbus 380. All the America carriers should be warned. Emirates, Qatar, Etihad are owned by the government. They don't have to pay their jet fuel. Lufthansa Airlines is forcing Germany to force them and not give them more slots to land there.

Turkish is same way. They don't care if they lose money they want market share. Good for customers.

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I don't think there is enough business demand to Vietnam. It's mostly VFR traffic.

IAH-DEL is intriguing down the line. It's a shorter flight to Delhi than Mumbai and Air India is now apart of Star Alliance.

Korean is cutting back Seoul-DFW now that AA has started flying the route. If they want a presence in Texas, IAH might be their best bet.

Any chance Tel Aviv might work?

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I don't think there is enough business demand to Vietnam. It's mostly VFR traffic.

IAH-DEL is intriguing down the line. It's a shorter flight to Delhi than Mumbai and Air India is now apart of Star Alliance.

Korean is cutting back Seoul-DFW now that AA has started flying the route. If they want a presence in Texas, IAH might be their best bet.

Any chance Tel Aviv might work?

Can an airplane go to Delhi from here? Even if it was available I think most people would still take one stop because the nonstop price is higher. Look at New York market for instance.

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Delhi is 300 miles farther than Doha, according to the great circle mapper. A better question would be how much demand would there be for that route, or would Mumbai work better. Most of the Indians I work with fly to Mumbai or Calcutta.

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DEL should be within the 787-8's range. BOM is about 600 miles further. The 787-9 might be able to do BOM, but even it may have a weight penalty. The Indian routes may have to wait until the 777X is available, by which time demand may be more robust.

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Delhi is 300 miles farther than Doha, according to the great circle mapper. A better question would be how much demand would there be for that route, or would Mumbai work better. Most of the Indians I work with fly to Mumbai or Calcutta.

Delhi and Bombay are the most important airports in India, I wouldn't put Calcutta in the same league.

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Spirit is set to announce 10 (!!!) new routes out of IAH, 7 of which will be international. This is pretty unexpected, but quite exciting. They previously applied for Cancun, Los Cabos, and Toluca. I thought all the international cities would be in Mexico, but those are actually the only three Mexican cities that they serve at this time. I guess they could expand to new cities, or the remaining 4 may be Central America/Caribbean cities instead. 

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Apparently someone has gotten wind of most of the destinations on IAH's Wikipedia already (not confirmed by any sources yet). According to them the three domestic destinations are Cleveland, Oakland, and Latrobe (PA). The international destinations they have are pretty amazing, Managua, Armenia (Colombia), St. Maarten, and the aforementioned Cancun. Two new cities not served at IAH by United or anyone else.

 

Edit: That's what I get for trusting Wikipedia. Those were pretty much all wrong. The new cities are TPA (Tampa),  (BWI) Baltimore, OAK (Oakland), CUN (Cancun), SJD (Los Cabos), TLC (Toluca), MGA (Managua), SJO (San Jose, Costa Rica), SAP (San Pedro Sula, Honduras), and SAL (San Salvador). No new cities to IAH other than Toluca.

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I care and we all should.  I hate flying Spirit.  But, I am not going to say that I won't do it again.  Anything that challenges United's pricing...we should all appreciate.  More traffic for the airport is also something to be happy about. 

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^And Southwest!

 

United and Southwest have a monopoly at each airport.  Guess what, tickets FROM SFO to HOU are cheaper than from HOU to SFO!  Don't believe me, look it up!!!

 

United is no different.  I hope Spirit ignites a price war out of IAH, and that HOU follow suit.  Man, it would be fantastic to buy some tickets at the prices that people in LA or NYC do.  Houston is expensive to fly out of!

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^And Southwest!

United and Southwest have a monopoly at each airport. Guess what, tickets FROM SFO to HOU are cheaper than from HOU to SFO! Don't believe me, look it up!!!

United is no different. I hope Spirit ignites a price war out of IAH, and that HOU follow suit. Man, it would be fantastic to buy some tickets at the prices that people in LA or NYC do. Houston is expensive to fly out of!

That's because sf is a bigger destination than houston

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Good for IAH with Spirit adding flights even though they suck.  The best thing about is those customers that do not know how fly will take Spirit!  They are so irritating how exciting! :lol:   

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Dunno - for me, headphones always seem to work better than spirits at distancing myself from adjacent pax I'd like to ignore... and if they are imbibing in spirits it often makes them get worse...  :ph34r:  

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That's because sf is a bigger destination than houston

You missed the point.  Houston was more expensive back when it was the busier airport than SFO.

 

My point was - Houston is expensive to fly out of.

 

Yet Houston is more expensive than just about every other airport in the country.  Look it up.

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I checked Spirit Airlines website.  It look a minor designed it.  You have to look very hard for there extra fees.  I checked IAH to FLL 12/01-1206 and Sprit was $301 roundtrip and United was $348.  Be very careful because they make bundle.  If you check in with a gate agent that is $5.  If you do not prepaid your carry on bag it is $100.  Seat assignments start at $5.00 to $12.00.  You must pay a fee to book online which does not any make sense.  Your seat pitch is 2 inches and the seats do not recline.  They stack you in like sardines.  Be careful if you pay for your bag when to book it is $26.  I loved when they disclose jet fuel is free!     

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You missed the point. Houston was more expensive back when it was the busier airport than SFO.

My point was - Houston is expensive to fly out of.

Yet Houston is more expensive than just about every other airport in the country. Look it up.

That's because of route competition (lack thereof) mergers between airlines and landing and parking fees. And as I said houston is not a destination for any tourist so there isn't a reason for prices to fly here to be high.

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That's because of route competition (lack thereof) mergers between airlines and landing and parking fees. And as I said Houston is not a destination for any as many tourists so there isn't a reason for prices to fly here to be high.

 

Fixed it for you. Tourists do come here, just not in the volumes that go to SFO. That may have something to do with the natural features in the area, since SF is not exactly brimming with cool things to do. We ran out after about 2 days. And the hills were a pain.

 

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That's because of route competition (lack thereof) mergers between airlines and landing and parking fees. And as I said houston is not a destination for any tourist so there isn't a reason for prices to fly here to be high.

That first sentence is sufficient to explain why Houston is so expensive.

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^And Southwest!

 

United and Southwest have a monopoly at each airport.  Guess what, tickets FROM SFO to HOU are cheaper than from HOU to SFO!  Don't believe me, look it up!!!

 

United is no different.  I hope Spirit ignites a price war out of IAH, and that HOU follow suit.  Man, it would be fantastic to buy some tickets at the prices that people in LA or NYC do.  Houston is expensive to fly out of!

 

I took the challenge.  Just did a search on Southwest.com for flights from SFO to HOU and from HOU to SFO, using the same dates (departing Nov. 18; returning Nov 21):

 

SFO to HOU:  Prices range from $340 to  $552.

 

HOU to SFO:  Prices range from $340 to $552.

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I took the challenge.  Just did a search on Southwest.com for flights from SFO to HOU and from HOU to SFO, using the same dates (departing Nov. 18; returning Nov 21):

 

SFO to HOU:  Prices range from $340 to  $552.

 

HOU to SFO:  Prices range from $340 to $552.

 

I searched for February prices last week.  This close to Thanksgiving, and this close to today's date the results will be expensive no matter where you search.

 

Maybe the prices are always in the same range, but last time I flew it was from HOU to SFO, and the fares if reversed (SFO-HOU) were cheaper!  This was also March/April... not November before the 2nd largest holiday of the year.

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I just tried Southwest for December 10 -12.  It was all within a buck or two regardless of where the round trip started, though it was a bit cheaper in/out of Oakland.  

 

I fly between Houston and the Bay Area with some regularity.  Southwest and Continental used to be pretty much in lockstep on stated fares, with Continental getting more expensive once various fees were added in.  United never seems to match Southwest, not that it really matters that much - I'd much rather use Hobby anyway since it's a lot more convenient for me here.  On the other end, travel time on BART from SFO or OAK to the Financial District is pretty much a wash, and if you're going anywhere not on the peninsula OAK pulls ahead.

 

As a side note, not only does United have a fortress at IAH, it has nearly as big a chokehold on SFO. 

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I searched for February prices last week.  This close to Thanksgiving, and this close to today's date the results will be expensive no matter where you search.

 

Maybe the prices are always in the same range, but last time I flew it was from HOU to SFO, and the fares if reversed (SFO-HOU) were cheaper!  This was also March/April... not November before the 2nd largest holiday of the year.

 

I guess you're amending your earlier statement to read something like "tickets FROM SFO to HOU are cheaper than from HOU to SFO",  except when they aren't (which appears to be most of the time)

 

 

Just did a February search (Feb. 10-13):

 

SFO to HOU:  prices range from $190 to $549

HOU to SFO:  prices range from $191 to $548

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I guess you're amending your earlier statement to read something like "tickets FROM SFO to HOU are cheaper than from HOU to SFO",  except when they aren't (which appears to be most of the time)

 

 

Just did a February search (Feb. 10-13):

 

SFO to HOU:  prices range from $190 to $549

HOU to SFO:  prices range from $191 to $548

 

I looked at it last week, and I spent several months earlier in the year looking up/researching flights from Houston to San Francisco (on any airline possible) - as my wife and I were planning a vacation to either Tahoe or Napa/Sonoma - I looked at prices to SFO, OAK, RNO, SJC and everywhere else in between.  Suffice to say the prices were almost always cheaper from those locations to HOU or IAH.

 

Maybe that was earlier in the year?  And maybe I picked the one single week when I was looking last week for price comparisons that SFO was cheaper?  Don't know?  Now, I did look for February dates for Southwest, I did find that the prices were similar for SFO to HOU or HOU to SFO - except - the flights from SFO to HOU typically had more times available with the lower fees.  Which to me = lower fares across the board.

 

Maybe that's changed since I looked last week?

 

I'm curious... do you ever post without sounding condescending?

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I booked a ticket from IAH to SFO for Dec 30, for $80 one way. This was on Frontier when they first announced direct flights (back in September). Even with all their little fees, it was a pretty amazing deal - the $80 includes everything except for checking bags. I didn't see any changes in United's pricing before, during, or after this initial release sale. Kept an eye out in daily for months since I needed a return flight (Frontier's direct flight leaves at 6am which didn't work for me). Ended up booking on United miles to come home.

 

I'm a little disappointed that my 2-month old's first flight will be on Frontier. Hopefully he'll forgive me.

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So sorry but United added more flights to San Jose and Liberia Costa Rica.  They will hold that market even if tickets are $1 roundtrip.  They have new planes and great service.  Get on board! :D 

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So sorry but United added more flights to San Jose and Liberia Costa Rica. They will hold that market even if tickets are $1 roundtrip. They have new planes and great service. Get on board! :D

They are too expensive. $1015 is absurd you could fly to Europe or Asia for less

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I just tried Southwest for December 10 -12.  It was all within a buck or two regardless of where the round trip started, though it was a bit cheaper in/out of Oakland.  

 

I fly between Houston and the Bay Area with some regularity.  Southwest and Continental used to be pretty much in lockstep on stated fares, with Continental getting more expensive once various fees were added in.  United never seems to match Southwest, not that it really matters that much - I'd much rather use Hobby anyway since it's a lot more convenient for me here.  On the other end, travel time on BART from SFO or OAK to the Financial District is pretty much a wash, and if you're going anywhere not on the peninsula OAK pulls ahead.

 

As a side note, not only does United have a fortress at IAH, it has nearly as big a chokehold on SFO. 

 

It's been a few years since I flew into OAK.  Do they still run shuttle buses to the nearest BART station?  I heard that they were going to put in a rail connection of some sort.

 

Sooner or later I'm going to have to go back on a business trip.  Thinking I might try SFO for a change.

 

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It looks like the rail connector is now up and running.  And it's a cable car.

 

The price is up, from $3 to $6, but so is the frequency.  I presume that it doesn't lurch around as much as the bus did, since it doesn't have to mess with traffic lights and poorly driven cars.

 

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