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I hope the facade turns out as shiny and crisp as the Cosmopolitian. It's a decent little condo tower... I REALLY hope they don't cheap out on the garage like history has taught us.

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Wow....I would much rather have the design of the Astoria, or the Titan, or a number of the other buildings that some people here think are poor designs OVER this bland design. I thought this was supposed to be a design that RD was waiting to unveil in a place like downtown.

 

Hopefully (fingers crossed) that is just an initial massing model to get the square footage right and to give the city an idea of the scale and then RD will surprise everyone with a much better design.

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Wow....I would much rather have the design of the Astoria, or the Titan, or a number of the other buildings that some people here think are poor designs OVER this bland design. I thought this was supposed to be a design that RD was waiting to unveil in a place like downtown.

Hopefully (fingers crossed) that is just an initial massing model to get the square footage right and to give the city an idea of the scale and then RD will surprise everyone with a much better design.

Be careful what you wish for. A surprise from RD is likely, but not usually in a good way.

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It will be interesting to see the final design. I will be curious how they intend to have ingress/egress for automobiles. It looks to me that this first rendering has them entering on Caroline near the bars and across the street from HOB. Caroline gets quite congested during a large HOB event and the area can see a ton of traffic with a large event also at the Toyota Center. I would think that access on Polk would be preferable but, we shall see! It's workable in any event. Just curious.

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i have been somewhat perplexed every since the unveiling as per randall davis's marlowe.  sure, none of us are exactly novices here.. and we certainly understand that his prospective rendering / concept is just upon it's initial stages.  however, randall has been contemplating venturing forth back into the downtown cbd market for quite some time now... why on earth would he arrive with such a demure / unattractive / small in scope and scale, at a time when everyone is projecting larger edifices that are practically SCREAMING please rent or buy one of me / strangely introverted totally non glamorous edifice right beside GREENSTREET?

 

this is just so very perplexing to me after witnessing what all that he has contributed as per the galleria post oak area.  why randall?  why so very demure / quiet / non glamorous now... especially upon the downtown cbd district where you have the utmost capability to showcase your overall developmental strength?  i just do not get it...

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MS Paint

 

The amusing part to me is that this, like the geocities-esque Market Square condo, could be a definite go while pipe dream never-gonna-happen projects get 3-D animation and visual effects by ILM in their YouTube video.

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This really saddens me. This lot always felt special to me, like it deserves something grand coming out of Green Street, not a dinky highrise on a parking lot.

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This really saddens me. This lot always felt special to me, like it deserves something grand coming out of Green Street, not a dinky highrise on a parking lot.

 

I like that it doesn't take the whole block. Leaves half the block for future development.

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I like that it doesn't take the whole block. Leaves half the block for future development.

And, it's going to make the condos on the east side of the building be a bit more troubling to sell. Folks understand about losing a view when a building across a 4 lane street goes up. Par for the course. But, a building on the same lot? That may be troubling.

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And, it's going to make the condos on the east side of the building be a bit more troubling to sell. Folks understand about losing a view when a building across a 4 lane street goes up. Par for the course. But, a building on the same lot? That may be troubling.

This is the case in pretty much every city. Not sure why it's a surprise to anyone?

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@Avossos Yeah.  Houston has small, square blocks in its CBD, and rarely do Houstonians see multiple highrises go up on the same block.  It's such a foreign concept here.

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Me thinks that there will not be primary views facing east. Bet the elevator shafts/stairwells run up the back side, specially for this reason.

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If I recall correctly, Houston's CBD blocks are 330' x 330'. Which is about average for a lot of cities. I think the reason so many high rises take up the full block in houston is because they can. Plenty of space to build what you want when the existing structures that were there were leveled 30 years ago. That being said, I would opine that once space starts running out in downtown, you'll start seeing less "full block" construction. Thats my 2 cents at least. 

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Houston's are square. The part of NY on a grid is rectangular, as are the blocks in Dallas (which are not many). I think Chicago is largely rectangular, as well. Square city blocks seem to be common in small towns that were laid out a long time ago, and Houston was fortunate it keept its grid.

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There were people on site doing something today... I don't know what, it was dark, and Veronica was working at Dirt next door...lol

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100 units (1 to 3 bedrooms)

909 to 2500 square feet

Interesting.

It seems to me that a 2 bedroom 2 bath at about 1500 (+/-) square feet is likely the sweet spot. At $400 per square foot that is $600k ...... If they can keep the HOA fee "reasonable" at, about $0.50 per sq ft per month, they may have a real winner. But.....

My guess is that they will be closer to $500 per sq foot and HOA will be $0.80-ish. Time will tell.

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Remember when I said there were people on site doing things?

They put this up on the old Front Row Tickets building...

He looks like every dancer at LaBare in the 90's. I found a VHS in a relative's closet. LaBare if you Dare.

 

Seriously though what about his face and hair makes someone want to buy a condo?

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Remember when I said there were people on site doing things?

They put this up on the old Front Row Tickets building...

So, I went to the website. The white piping on Marlowe's lapel and jacket collar makes him look like a waiter. So, I guess smart waiters will be buying here. Good to know.

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Anyway, since there has been some blue-sky discussion about retail for downtown, I was wondering if Neiman Marcus could make it. It wouldn't even need to be a full store, just a boutique. The Dallas downtown Neiman's is still hanging on.

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Seriously though what about his face and hair makes someone want to buy a condo?

 

That ad copy is just genuinely bad. Even for a Randall Davis project.

 

Maybe it's just me, but the subject line for the inquiry email you can send to the sales director on the site sounds like a desperate groupie, rather than someone who is interested in investing in a residence in a highrise. I could be wrong, but if I'm asking for info on this development, I'm not compelled to proclaim to her that "I Want to Meet Marlowe!". A simple project folder would suffice.

 

Plus, when your website says that your fictional character/actual philosophy is smarter than the existing renter / potential buyer - ehh. Doesn't seem like the wisest move.

 

It almost makes me want to beg for the standard entry in his bio for his previous developments:  "When asked to describe (project) , Randall Davis would say… (something grandiose that may or may not actually describe the project)"

 

Somehow, I don't think it would be as silly as this effort.

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randall seems to preparing a marketing presentation that is larger than life as per the marlowe... and yet, the edifice is only 20 stories tall / 100 condos.  quite unique / strange!  

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Cmooooon, is anyone really suprised at this marketing campaign?? Were talking about lil Randy Davis here, this was ro be expected :lol:

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You can lump Randall in with Tilman. Both will say whatever it takes but neither one can be trusted.

Look at how Tilman was all over the news last night showing off his new casino in Louisiana.

One day he's crying doom and gloom and the next he's inviting everyone to bring all of their hard earned money

over to the new Golden Nugget and invest it. Two peas in a pod. 

Unfortunately for Tilman he might have gotten caught with his pants down now that all of the uber oil money is drying up.

Not the best time to be opening a casino in the oil belt.

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creepy.. with a slight bit of sexual connotations.. what kind of "randall davis" marketing campaign is this?  why the promotional sign upon that brown building?  could this be marlowe's hideout...

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So, I went to the website. The white piping on Marlowe's lapel and jacket collar makes him look like a waiter. So, I guess smart waiters will be buying here. Good to know.

So it'll be super cheap to live there then?

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So it'll be super cheap to live there then?

I doubt anything downtown will ever be inexpensive again. I applaud mr. Davis for building a high rise condo downtown and I hope this project breaks ground in short order. I might even consider buying one. That said, the marketing concept leaves me flat.

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I say, when Davis gives up on this one, we should open a fly-by-night bar in the old ticket broker building and call it Marlowe and Gargoyle’s. Three of us would get the joke.

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I say, when Davis gives up on this one, we should open a fly-by-night bar in the old ticket broker building and call it Marlowe and Gargoyle’s. Three of us would get the joke.

 

Let's hope he doesn't give up - it will just take away from the Downtown Living Initiative.

 

“In the event that an approved project is cancelled for any reason, the units previously assigned to that project by the Board will not be reassigned to other approved or unapproved projects”

 

http://www.downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2014-12-29/141224_HDMD_Applicant_Memo_on_DLI_Closeout.pdf

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I hope it is a go as well, I was just having a bit of fun with the doom and gloom attitude that seems to have been building momentum lately.

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I hope it is a go as well, I was just having a bit of fun with the doom and gloom attitude that seems to have been building momentum lately.

 

Not to be argumentative, but I think that there are still a ton of positive things happening, despite low oil prices.

 

I am hoping Capital Tower gets built still. 6 Houston center & International Tower (1 Market Square) seem dead.

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...really hoping mfaH reveals some plans soon. That will lighten things up a bit.

I was just wondering about that yesterday..

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Not to be argumentative, but I think that there are still a ton of positive things happening, despite low oil prices.

 

I am hoping Capital Tower gets built still. 6 Houston center & International Tower (1 Market Square) seem dead.

 

Skanska will build their building, because they have the capital; it will just be a waiting game.  Don't give up on 6HC, remember they were going to go spec in the summer.  Although not many, there are still a couple 300k RSF + tenants in the market right now.  My bet is these tenants will cut a deal to renew where they are, but you really never know how aggressive JLL may be to get the deal done.  6HC probably missed the wave, but don't rule them out just yet, because their ARE tenants still looking.

 

International Tower is dead, and has been for some time now.

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Skanska will build their building, because they have the capital; it will just be a waiting game.  Don't give up on 6HC, remember they were going to go spec in the summer.  Although not many, there are still a couple 300k RSF + tenants in the market right now.  My bet is these tenants will cut a deal to renew where they are, but you really never know how aggressive JLL may be to get the deal done.  6HC probably missed the wave, but don't rule them out just yet, because their ARE tenants still looking.

 

International Tower is dead, and has been for some time now.

 

I don't think most people on this forum realize that oil isn't the only sector that can take advantage of 6HC. The rest of the economy is doing tremendously well right now... I can see a financial or real estate company being a tenant for 6HC but I don't have any news of that happening.

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