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If this gets built, I hope that it puts more pressure on Houston to get a new supertall.

 

But there is no "this".  There is no real building proposal yet and more to the point ... Perot has never talked about building a super-tall or said anything about height at all.  Perot has used words like "landmark" and "iconic" but I'm pretty sure he's never said anything at all about height.

 

This latest Dallas Morning News article is truly a "bottom story of the day".  It merely rehashes what the same reporter wrote back in October with almost zero new information. Steve Brown is infamous for re-running developer marketing pieces every 4-6 months.  That's all this one is... Perot looking for office tenants.

 

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If this gets built, I hope that it puts more pressure on Houston to get a new supertall.

I don't. Houston doesn't need a supernal right now. supply is soon going to hit demand, if it hasn't already. Building a supertall wouldn't help the city in any way. Look at what happened the last time we overbuilt.

I think some of the developments being built in Dallas are really amazing for their city, but it should not, for any reason, influence whats being built down here in Houston.

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If this gets built, I hope that it puts more pressure on Houston to get a new supertall.

 

Why? Is there some sort of keeping up with the Jones thing going on? If someone wants a supertall here, it will be built. No one is going to build one just because some other city has one going up.

 

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It sure looks like it snowed.

 

Ross Perot has been promoting an office tower of undetermined height in downtown Dallas, saying there are prospects from out of town he's trying to entice. If they're looking for new buildings, this one's as good as any.

 

Yea, that's what we've been talking about.U a Lil late to the party broda. j/k :D

 

Unfortunately, we only get little snippets of info here and there. HOK has finished preliminary designs supposedly and now Ross wants a contest of architects to see unique design. I personally want a 1,200 foot replica of Voltron. But that's just me. I'm confident he'll choose whats good for the city. We dont know if it will be 300m or taller. Who knows it could be taller or shorter. We want a supertall to call our own but if not they should at least make it taller than the BOA(921ft)

 

If they kept it SLIM they could easily hit that 300m(992ft). Did you know the BOA in Dallas is actually bigger than the Wells Fargo in Houston?....Square footage wise?. Yet the Wells fargo is taller because its slimmer.. They need to that with Dallas' next.

 

Yes its snowed yesterday! A whole 1.5 inches so of course the whole city had to shut down. :rolleyes:

I took a couple of pictures. Im glad it did. Thought we werent gonna get any this year. It might snow again later this week.

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And the Museum Tower isn't empty because of the location. 

 

It isn't empty, but sales are very poor.

 

D Magazine reported in January of this year that only 34% of the building has been sold. http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2015/january/museum-tower-condo-sales

 

Hopefully the developers of the new building have taken the glare into account, otherwise their balconies could be toasty. 

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The new apartment tower will not get any glare from the Museum Tower it is situated south of the tower in fact it will benefit by getting shade from MT in the summer and in the winter from Trammell Crow Tower:)

 

 

Museum Tower will cast shade on its neighbor to its south??

 

IIRC the sun works differently in Dallas.  They're closer to the North Pole.

 

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Trammell Crow promises the 2 new Met Life towers will not be "towering infernos".

The original curvy design was changed awhile back. Here is some interesting design specs for any of you glass geeks.

 

 

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http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/developers-promise-new-uptown-tower-project-wont-cast-a-light-on-nearby-neighbors.html/

 

The 2-tower Park District project planned by Trammell Crow Co. and Metropolitan Life Insurance will be built on the site of the Chase Bank drive through at Woodall Rodgers and Pearl Street.

The more than 900,000-square-foot development will include a 32-story residential tower and a 19-story office high-rise.

To get city planners to agree to an almost 30 percent increase in height for the project, the developers have worked to overcome any concerns that the glass exteriors on the towers will reflect light across the street on Klyde Warren Park and the Nasher Sculpture Center.

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Making slim buildings doesn't make for efficient floor plates unfortunately. Developers, especially in Texas, love big floor plates which doesn't help with height. This site that Perot owns is also zoned for 1.5M SF 

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Developers, especially in Texas, love big floor plates which doesn't help with height. This site that Perot owns is also zoned for an excess of 1.5M SF

 

Fixed it for ya.

 

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/commercial-real-estate/headlines/20131106-perot-buys-downtown-dallas-corner-hints-at-grand-plans.ece

 

I see that it says zoned for more than a 1.5M SF building but that more than likely means +/- 10% or 1.5M usable area excluding parking. The 1.5 figure came from somewhere and there's no minimum zoning requirement requirement. They aren't going to be putting up a 2M+ SF tower there. 

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I see that it says zoned for more than a 1.5M SF building but that more than likely means +/- 10% or 1.5M usable area excluding parking. The 1.5 figure came from somewhere and there's no minimum zoning requirement requirement. They aren't going to be putting up a 2M+ SF tower there. 

 

Okay. I can see where you're going with this. You don't want Dallas to have a supertall.......no matter what. We get it.

Personally, I'm so proud of what the city is looking like today 4/15/2015. Cranes up. Healthy amount of Highrises and other development going up.....just look at the above poster's maps and photos......that even if the Perot Tower is a 700 footer with a baddass design it WILL change the skyline and look gorgeous. The CBD will gain that thickness. I can't wait for it. Even if it's a 700 footer!

 

....But the truth is is that we do not know what the final design will be. We can only speculate.

 

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Excellent post fkp5. Saw that on SSC too. Almost was gonna post it myself. There's been lots D-Town development but I haven't been keeping up that much lately.

 

Oh and congrats on Austin's new Jenga Tower!

My first thought upon seeing the render was City of Capitals buildings in Moscow. :D

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Yeah, a friend showed this to me and asked me to guess what city this was, and honestly I couldn't tell this was Dallas at first glance. It wasn't until I looked more closely that I realized it was Dallas. The city has changed so much over the years. I'm glad that all of the major Texas cities are showing a lot of development progress in their cores. A lot of people don't seem to like the Austin tower, but I think it looks pretty good. It'll really add some nice height to the skyline. I hope Houston can follow suit and eventually get a 600+ foot condo tower in downtown in the near future.

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Okay. I can see where you're going with this. You don't want Dallas to have a supertall.......no matter what. We get it.

Personally, I'm so proud of what the city is looking like today 4/15/2015. Cranes up. Healthy amount of Highrises and other development going up.....just look at the above poster's maps and photos......that even if the Perot Tower is a 700 footer with a baddass design it WILL change the skyline and look gorgeous. The CBD will gain that thickness. I can't wait for it. Even if it's a 700 footer!

 

....But the truth is is that we do not know what the final design will be. We can only speculate.

 

 

Ha why would you assume that? I wouldn't mind if Dallas gets a supertall I'm just being realistic. I have a little bit of insight into this project which is what I'm basing my previous comment on.

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Ha why would you assume that? I wouldn't mind if Dallas gets a supertall I'm just being realistic. I have a little bit of insight into this project which is what I'm basing my previous comment on.

 

Apologies Lospringer. It's just that Im used to some of that friction on here(by some but not all) Your info is interesting. Thanks,

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dch526 via skyscrapercity:

 

25 story SkyHouse #2's height has been approved through the FAA

Looks like it should start construction in August

Determination PDF

Determined Cases for TX: Form 7460-1 for ASN 2015-ASW-2514-OE

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Work Schedule: 08/11/2015 to 11/30/2016
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Structure Height: 290
Quote:
Description of Location: Building located at NE corner of North Houston Street and Payne Street in Downtown Dallas, TX
Description of Proposal: 25 story High-rise residential rental apartment building with 336 units and ground level retail space.
There's a good chance that 4 (maybe 6) high rise projects could start construction in Victory Park (or Immediately adjacent) by the end of this year
1) Sky House (25 stories; 336 units)
2) Ascent (21 & 23 stories; 300+ units)
3) Cinepolis & Residential (20 stories; 256 units)
4) Katy Station (28 stories; TBD units)
5) Hines Victory Center (23 story office building)
6) Akard Place (14 story office; 20 story apartments, 300 units; both on 9 story parking)

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Nice picture.  You know... I remember when Victory Park was started.

Everyone should note that it clearly takes a decade + for large scale urban renewal projects to materialize into true unique/identifiable areas.

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Akard Place, now known as The Union, will feature not only dual apartments and office use but 85,000 square feet of retail, but most of that will be giving Uptown a new supermarket: a Tom Thumb! When was the last time one of those were even built in Dallas?

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You guys are right. This just looks like a curvier 609 Main. However, this is just a preliminary design, so it could still change. It said that an architectural competition was being held for this tower. But even if it's built like that, it would still be a great addition to the Dallas skyline.

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"Ctrl+c >Hines 609 Main"

"Ctrl+v >Dallas"

 

ERROR

 

>copy 50% complete

 

:lol: . Yes Im agreeing with you. You know we like to copy our big brother lol.. It looks to be the same size as 609 main too(48 stories)... I count around 50 stories for our version of it.

The design is growing on me but needs more height! Looks about 700-710ft judging against the 720ft fountain place in the background. While not a supertall it will add welcomed girth to the CBD. Remember this is just a preliminary design.

 

"Hillwood is holding an architectural competition for the design for the office tower it wants to build on Woodall Rodgers.

The tower could be as small as a half million square feet or more than 50 stories depending on what a company wanted for offices, Reese said.

If the building is constructed it would be the first true skyscraper downtown since the 1980s."

 

If he could squeeze another 150ft out of this I'd be happy(but not satisfied)

Because our skyline isn't hugely tall an 850footer would look absolutely killer. Remember the Comerica is only 787ft but looks like a 900ftr against the rest of the buildings. A new building taller than 787ft would look awesome.

 

Cant wait to see what happens.

And he sure as hell better not go smaller. :angry2:

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