Luminare Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 A very good article in ArchDaily today about Gentrification in cities and presenting both extremes and vastly different contexts. It gives a fresh perspective that doesn't play the tiring good vs. evil card. It instead looks at how these people are coming into a city...as immigrants. I was intrigued by how we really only see people that are poor as being immigrants while those with any kind of money are seen as aliens. I think it's a refreshing take. The obvious places in Houston are...well everywhere lol. Mostly notably Montrose, Midtown, Downtown, The Heights, and it's slowly creeping into the East End. Here is the link: http://www.archdaily.com/540712/what-gentrification-really-is-and-how-we-can-avoid-it/ What do y'all think about this? Looking for any opinions, but please try to keep it clean from mud slinging and good v. evil stuff. Gentrification is a much more complicated thing than some people try to make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Gentrification, like immigration, can be boiled down to "people moving around". Like Montrose, some of the "die yuppie/techie scum" sentiment is from people who were once gentrifiers themselves. Montrose and Haight-Ashbury are big examples of such movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Dangit, I hate being called on my own BS that is apparently spewing forth when I shake my beer bottle at the McMansion people moving into the Heights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 It's hard to draw a conclusion for me. There seems to be pros and cons from both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToryGattis Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 My thought on this topic has always been simple logic:if a neighborhood can stay the same, get better, or get worseand getting better = gentrification = bad = we enact policies to stop itso neighborhoods can only stay the same or get worsethen how does a city do anything other than decline over time?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 My thought on this topic has always been simple logic:if a neighborhood can stay the same, get better, or get worseand getting better = gentrification = bad = we enact policies to stop itso neighborhoods can only stay the same or get worsethen how does a city do anything other than decline over time?... Trying to enact policies to stop gentrification is like trying to stop sprawl: you "solve" problems by creating bigger ones. Best course of action is to let things take their course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 My thought on this topic has always been simple logic:if a neighborhood can stay the same, get better, or get worseand getting better = gentrification = bad = we enact policies to stop itso neighborhoods can only stay the same or get worsethen how does a city do anything other than decline over time?... As a practical matter, I don't think there are many cases where gentrification is stopped cold in it's tracks. Most of the time the policies enacted to slow it down just cause costs to go up as developers and remodelers have to navigate another set of regulations beyond the typical building codes and that costs time and money. Since the demand that drives gentrification is still there, you get slowed down release of inventory while demand remains or increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I hate the term gentrification. Nothing in life is static. People shift, demographics shift, such has been occurring forever, it will continue to occur forever. The class/race/whatever hatred that is bred by this kind of shift is deplorable. Hopefully at some point in the future society will have moved on from this kind of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Is there any connection between gentrification and increased (or decreased) inequality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Is there any connection between gentrification and increased (or decreased) inequality? Not necessarily. I was a gentrifier at one time, and I suppose I am now a gentrify-ee since there is no way I'd willingly spend as much money as it would take to buy my house these days (even though it would likely have some sort of claim in the HAR listing that it's at lot value). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memorial/Gessner Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Has anyone else noticed the steep rise in gentrification taking place in suburban areas for the last decade or so? What do you think is an effective and plausible solution to this epidemic of rising affluence and real estate prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNathoo Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 10 hours ago, Memorial/Gessner said: Has anyone else noticed the steep rise in gentrification taking place in suburban areas for the last decade or so? What do you think is an effective and plausible solution to this epidemic of rising affluence and real estate prices? Do you mean urban? I don't think the suburbs have experienced any significant increase in gentrification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 On 11/1/2016 at 10:54 AM, Memorial/Gessner said: Has anyone else noticed the steep rise in gentrification taking place in suburban areas for the last decade or so? What do you think is an effective and plausible solution to this epidemic of rising affluence and real estate prices? Elect Sheila Jackson Lee as President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerNut Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, august948 said: Elect Sheila Jackson Lee Garnet Coleman as President? Only he can prevent dog walkers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memorial/Gessner Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 14 hours ago, HNathoo said: Do you mean urban? I don't think the suburbs have experienced any significant increase in gentrification. yes, I'm not referring to large planned housing projects like those seen in Katy or Missouri City. However, what have before been considered suburban neighborhoods are now home to lots with prices not lower and often much higher than $1,000,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerNut Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 So you're against property values rising not gentrification. The land there probably has minimum lot sizes and other deed restrictions so values will probably continue to rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memorial/Gessner Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, BeerNut said: So you're against property values rising not gentrification. The land there probably has minimum lot sizes and other deed restrictions so values will probably continue to rise. Both, I suppose I should've worded my question better. I choose to focus on gentrification though, as it is a much more pressing issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, Memorial/Gessner said: yes, I'm not referring to large planned housing projects like those seen in Katy or Missouri City. However, what have before been considered suburban neighborhoods are now home to lots with prices not lower and often much higher than $1,000,000. Most of what were originally suburban neighborhoods, like the area around Memorial and Gessner, never went through a down phase like the older neighborhoods inside the loop so gentrification isn't really a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memorial/Gessner Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, august948 said: Most of what were originally suburban neighborhoods, like the area around Memorial and Gessner, never went through a down phase like the older neighborhoods inside the loop so gentrification isn't really a problem. right, gentrification doesn't apply there. However, the rising prices are kicking out middle class families, only leaving room for the super-rich. Its a separate yet related issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkultra25 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 On 11/1/2016 at 10:54 AM, Memorial/Gessner said: What do you think is an effective and plausible solution to this epidemic of rising affluence and real estate prices? First, you have to establish a perimeter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 On 11/1/2016 at 10:54 AM, Memorial/Gessner said: Has anyone else noticed the steep rise in gentrification taking place in suburban areas for the last decade or so? What do you think is an effective and plausible solution to this epidemic of rising affluence and real estate prices? I am not sure that I have ever heard "rising affluence" related to an "epidemic." may I ask you if the folks who, in 1980, purchased the homes in the area you mention consider this an "epidemic"? They don't like the wealth that they have created for themselves? After all, an epidemic is bad for everyone, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I feel like gentrification is usually bad problem in areas where most residents rent their homes, while in areas where they own them it is a good problem. In renter areas, the residents are getting squeezed out with no real compensation to them, while in owner areas they may be getting squeezed out but they also sold their bungalow for $400,000 so they should be able to land on their feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/2/2016 at 6:37 PM, UtterlyUrban said: I am not sure that I have ever heard "rising affluence" related to an "epidemic." may I ask you if the folks who, in 1980, purchased the homes in the area you mention consider this an "epidemic"? They don't like the wealth that they have created for themselves? After all, an epidemic is bad for everyone, no? It depends on your vantage point. The people you speak of don't see a problem. The people Memorial are referring to......do. Other cities should have this issue......where people seem to be getting richer. Or at the very least, their property values are going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majore12 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/1/2016 at 8:54 AM, Memorial/Gessner said: Has anyone else noticed the steep rise in gentrification taking place in suburban areas for the last decade or so? What do you think is an effective and plausible solution to this epidemic of rising affluence and real estate prices? Tell people to quit getting richer? Relocate criminals to the suburbs? If rising real estate prices in one area are not the sole reason for lowered real estate prices in others, I'm not seeing a problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majore12 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/2/2016 at 4:40 PM, mkultra25 said: First, you have to establish a perimeter... Then you have to make it known that enforcement is not an option, but a requirement. The rich people MUST integrate and acclimate with the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Ricardo said: It depends on your vantage point. The people you speak of don't see a problem. The people Memorial are referring to......do. Other cities should have this issue......where people seem to be getting richer. Or at the very least, their property values are going up. Who are the people Memorial is referring to? He is discussing "suburban gentrification". Suburban areas are dominated by single family home owners (not renters). I assume from the user ID that "Memorial" is speaking of the area generally referred to as "Memorial". So, 40 years ago, somebody purchased a house for, what? $70k? and its worth $1.5m today. Since the long-term average housing prices inflates at slightly above CPI, I have a hard time understanding why anyone is upset. Can't afford the taxes? Sell the darn thing, PAY ZERO CAPITAL GAINS, and move to another place 4 miles away that isn't as hot but costs 50% less. You'll have monetized $750k. anything else is simply whining, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I got the impression that Memorial was upset that some people got lucky. The people who bought homes in areas where the property values increased over the years and not decreased. The post seemed more like a rant against rich people than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/gentrified-Texas-Houston-Fort-Worth-Austin-12732825.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkultra25 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Interesting piece from the Texas Observer on the potential for gentrification accelerating in Houston as a byproduct of the Trump tax cuts, which contain a $1.5 billion tax break for real estate investors in economically-disadvantaged areas defined as "opportunity zones": https://www.texasobserver.org/trumped-up-incentives-houston-gentrification/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 13 hours ago, mkultra25 said: Interesting piece from the Texas Observer on the potential for gentrification accelerating in Houston as a byproduct of the Trump tax cuts, which contain a $1.5 billion tax break for real estate investors in economically-disadvantaged areas defined as "opportunity zones": https://www.texasobserver.org/trumped-up-incentives-houston-gentrification/ I'm leery of the term "economically-disadvantaged areas", which seems to imply that these areas are slums, and a form of urban blight that must be eliminated. The areas where the "economically-disadvantaged" live include neighborhoods that were developed before WW II, a time when one (or no) car households were common. They were designed with the understanding that sidewalks and public transportation were necessities. Contrast this with the areas into which the poor are now being scattered, which were designed specifically for the automobile. Too often these neighborhoods and the people who occupy them are cut off from access to grocery stores, parks, clinics, libraries, etc. because car ownership is out of reach. Of course, it comes down to economics. Many people are wary about investing in poorer areas. Development can (and should) involve an element of risk. The movement of people into inner city neighborhoods is a well-established trend that needs no outside encouragement. The resulting uprooting and relocation of thousands of families is certain to create more problems than it solves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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