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I honestly don't think anyone is going to touch this until the highway is finished being built. That whole area is going to be a traffic nightmare for a few years. I don't think that will attract many investors. It is an interesting location, but I have no clue what you turn this into. The lot is just so big. Not to mention the dynamics are of that area are changing drastically so that makes the whole area unpredictable. It's also pretty much in the middle of no mans land. I'm sure someone will buy it soon, but I really don't see anyone developing this for another few years if even that.

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How many townhomes can you fit on 51.75 acres?

 

If that happens...I will kill myself >.>

 

Abandon shopping malls will be one of the bigger design/urban planning challenges my generation and the generation before will have to face in the coming decade or two. They present so many opportunities, but at the same time so many problems because of the shear scale of the land you are given. Especially since the immediate area is also vastly underdeveloped you get into a situation as to what exactly do you put there!? Mid-rise development doesn't really make much since because there is nothing else around it to support it....unless you decide to build a new town from scratch (which could be an option...a very interesting one I might add!). We don't need another entertainment venue as we have way to many. Theme park is out of the question because there are like two going up right now and not to mention it would be a real headache for this area. You can't build small residential as the value of those homes would plummet afterwards as a good portion of this area is still in decay and nobody builds those kinds of developments this deep into town anymore. Commercial campus?? Maybe if it was the right investor with a big brand. What I'm scared of is that it might be turned into distribution centers -.- since that is the main business of the immediate area. 

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can you say mixed-use development with transportation hub?  so much potential for this property!  rail lines nearby could easily connect to light rail through uptown and/or the rail leading downtown to the hardy rail yards.  light rail line from here down washington avenue to downtown.....many, many opportunities for a transit system pivot point.

 

1. adaptive reuse of existing mall structure maintaining some retail capacity (or increased)

2. integration of new and proposed suburban rail and intercity light rail lines

3. add residential (affordable) components

4. add entertainment (or public use) component(s)

 

i would wager that there are MANY entities peeing their pants over this location.

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/ellen_dunham_jones_retrofitting_suburbia  check out this ted talk on "retrofitting suburbia".  it will give you hope for the plight of malls across the country.

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There may be some unused/underused malls in decaying areas, but this ain't one of them.  Timbergrove and Lazybrook are just across 610, Inwood and the western part of GOOF are across 290, and the industrial area to the south and southeast is already being redeveloped, largely into residential.  There are half a dozen midrise buildings +/- along 610 between 290 and T C Jester.  And that area will be one of the first to be completed of the 290/610 reconstruction, probably in 2 - 3 years.  

 

They shouldn't have too much trouble selling this.

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With the right transit connections and the completion of the highway, I think Northwest Mall could come back to life. Sure, the Macy's needs to be rebuilt as a new building, but I think it's still got legs.

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This will definitely start redevelopment as soon as the interchange is complete. TXDOTs taking part of the parking lot as a lay down yard so once this is finished it'll hopefully get imploded.

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What I'm scared of is that it might be turned into distribution centers -.- since that is the main business of the immediate area.

I think those distribution centers, warehouses, and industrial properties will be redeveloped due to their location. I hope that Midway purchases the property, they did such a great job with redeveloping the Town and Country mall property into CityCentre.

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I think some mixed use would do well here.  I definitely could see residential and office complex demand for this location.  It is zoned to Sinclair and Black Middle which are fed from Timbergrove, Lazybrook, Garden Oaks, and Oak Forrest.

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Given the recent report that the Houston-Dallas HSR could terminate in the Galleria / Uptown Park area rather than Downtown... is there a chance this site becomes the station (link to article below)?  A College Station stop was also referenced which would point to a 290 route into town.

 

I can't find the article, but my recollection is that 20-40% of JR profits are from associated real-estate development at their stations (hotels, retail, etc...).  A large site with additional development potential would seem reasonable If we assume they bring a similar model to the US.

 

[EDIT:  see 2013 financial report... ~25% operating profit comes from non-transportation though their subsidiary structure is complicated so that may not be exactly right ... https://www.jreast.co.jp/e/investor/ar/2013/pdf/ar_2013_all.pdf]

 

http://blog.chron.com/thehighwayman/2014/08/state-transportation-official-says-houston-dallas-rail-a-certainty/

 

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If the 290 route is a certainty, then the clearances shown in a 290 plan I saw really are true and a lot of buildings are gone on that side. Goodbye rice mill. :(

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If that happens...I will kill myself >.>

 

Abandon shopping malls will be one of the bigger design/urban planning challenges my generation and the generation before will have to face in the coming decade or two. They present so many opportunities, but at the same time so many problems because of the shear scale of the land you are given. Especially since the immediate area is also vastly underdeveloped you get into a situation as to what exactly do you put there!? Mid-rise development doesn't really make much since because there is nothing else around it to support it....unless you decide to build a new town from scratch (which could be an option...a very interesting one I might add!). We don't need another entertainment venue as we have way to many. Theme park is out of the question because there are like two going up right now and not to mention it would be a real headache for this area. You can't build small residential as the value of those homes would plummet afterwards as a good portion of this area is still in decay and nobody builds those kinds of developments this deep into town anymore. Commercial campus?? Maybe if it was the right investor with a big brand. What I'm scared of is that it might be turned into distribution centers -.- since that is the main business of the immediate area. 

 

A large piece of land, mostly paved over, near the intersection of 3 freeways, central location in the metro area.  Sounds like the best use may well be for a distribution center.  Dead malls are usually in areas that are in decay so it's not really going to be that much of a challenge to figure out what to do with them.  Since the mall is an invention of the automobile age, they are frequently on or near highways and/or intersections of highways.  Those that are in decaying areas can go the distribution center route and those that are still in nice areas can be redeveloped into mixed use or indoor/outdoor retail (a la Memorial City Mall and Town & Country, now City Centre).

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Interesting.  It seems like a lot more than 51 acres... but maybe that's just the feeling of an empty parking lot.  

 

20 or 30 acres of the site became freeway.

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By the way, the old JCPenney Auto/Firestone became a marble/granite place but I didn't catch the name of it. What was it?

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http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/2014/09/major-mall-hits-the-market/

 

The owner of Northwest Mall, the regional shopping center tucked behind the massive roadway construction project at U.S. 290 and the 610 Loop, is selling the 52-acre property.

The site is ideally suited for a hotel, multifamily, office and retail development, said Rusty Tamlyn, senior managing director of HFF, which has the listing.

All of the tenants in thee 800,000-square-foot mall can be moved within a short timeframe, Tamlyn said.

Price expectations are in the $38 per square foot range or $86 million for the entire property. The owner would consider breaking up the site into multiple pieces.

Houston-based Levcor bought the property from Glimcher Realty Trust in 2007 with plans to renovate the site and potentially turn it into a mixed-use center.

 

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Still think this would be a great spot for the HSR station, along with all of the aforementioned possibilities.

Too far away from DT, Med. center, Bellaire, Etc.

Still think this would be a great spot for the HSR station, along with all of the aforementioned possibilities.

Too far away from DT, Med. center, Bellaire, Etc.

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You're both right. It is pretty far from the other more important aspects of this city but with the rumors of the Gulf Coast Regional Rail Authority coming in it sounds like there is some serious progress moving in connecting the HSR terminal, wherever that may be, into downtown.

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I live on the other side of 610 from this mall

 

I love this area it is far from decayed and there's plenty of stuff to do around the area

The heights is an easy drive down 18th and the 290 and 10 corridors have plenty of restaurants and shopping

 

Perfect area for "suburban" living with city access

 

If that happens...I will kill myself >.>

 

Abandon shopping malls will be one of the bigger design/urban planning challenges my generation and the generation before will have to face in the coming decade or two. They present so many opportunities, but at the same time so many problems because of the shear scale of the land you are given. Especially since the immediate area is also vastly underdeveloped you get into a situation as to what exactly do you put there!? Mid-rise development doesn't really make much since because there is nothing else around it to support it....unless you decide to build a new town from scratch (which could be an option...a very interesting one I might add!). We don't need another entertainment venue as we have way to many. Theme park is out of the question because there are like two going up right now and not to mention it would be a real headache for this area. You can't build small residential as the value of those homes would plummet afterwards as a good portion of this area is still in decay and nobody builds those kinds of developments this deep into town anymore. Commercial campus?? Maybe if it was the right investor with a big brand. What I'm scared of is that it might be turned into distribution centers -.- since that is the main business of the immediate area. 

 

 

A large piece of land, mostly paved over, near the intersection of 3 freeways, central location in the metro area.  Sounds like the best use may well be for a distribution center.  Dead malls are usually in areas that are in decay so it's not really going to be that much of a challenge to figure out what to do with them.  Since the mall is an invention of the automobile age, they are frequently on or near highways and/or intersections of highways.  Those that are in decaying areas can go the distribution center route and those that are still in nice areas can be redeveloped into mixed use or indoor/outdoor retail (a la Memorial City Mall and Town & Country, now City Centre).

 

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For years, I have often wondered what the best use of this land would be. My wishes for this space are as follows; too bad our commuter transportation is not, say 20 years, ahead of now. This would make an incredible hub for either light rail or that bullet train we keep hearing about which will connect HTown with Big D, Austin and SA. OR, a vast recreational center, ie, pools, gym, tennis and racquetball courts, rock climbing venues, etc., with a parking structure on which a 15 to 20 storey multiuse hotel/ residences would sit. But I do think it prudent to wait until construction is completed, and then perhaps present it to potential buyers as one of the few blank slates left in inner Houston.

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I would assume that the best use for a parcel this size and in this location would be a large neighborhood shopping center (something like the HEB anchored center at the northwest corner of Bunker Hill and I-10).  Many former chain retail, and even restaurant moved further out 290 beyond pinemont over many years, some of which I think would be better served closer to Oak Forest, Timbergrove, etc.

 

I assume the main issue would be that it may have too weird of a shape for the best possible visibility and frontage.  Its kind of triangular and the best side to line front the site against is probably Hempstead, the side which faces away from all main avenues of approach.  I'm guessing that connecting up N Post Oak through the site to 18th would probably be the fix in the case of a large retail center.

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can you say mixed-use development with transportation hub?  so much potential for this property!  rail lines nearby could easily connect to light rail through uptown and/or the rail leading downtown to the hardy rail yards.  light rail line from here down washington avenue to downtown.....many, many opportunities for a transit system pivot point.

 

1. adaptive reuse of existing mall structure maintaining some retail capacity (or increased)

2. integration of new and proposed suburban rail and intercity light rail lines

3. add residential (affordable) components

4. add entertainment (or public use) component(s)

 

i would wager that there are MANY entities peeing their pants over this location.

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/ellen_dunham_jones_retrofitting_suburbia  check out this ted talk on "retrofitting suburbia".  it will give you hope for the plight of malls across the country.

 

I think you are on to something here... it seems to be all the rage now. Mixed-Use Development, and the best part is it's location - boarders 610 Loop, is close to I-10, and (best part) has minimum interaction with Hwy 290.   

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RN:  We have heard some buzz on the street about Northwest Mall.  Can you tell us anything for publication on that asset?

Levine:  Yes, we have this fifty acre project listed for sale with HFF, and are inviting offers.  TexDot took a large chunk of the parking and some of the tenants and free standing self-owned stores failed.  We are in discussion with multi-family developers, corporations for campuses, mixed use developers, and overseas investors who are looking to just ‘park money’ for five years and wait for the site to appreciate.

http://www.rednews.com/2014/11/larry-levine/

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"Welcome to Station 2   the Houston terminus of TCR's high speed rail!"

 

*crosses fingers*

 

Fixed it for you :D

 

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I can't find anything on HFF website on Northwest Mall 

 

Is it still for sale??

 

 

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Update from NW mall facebook page

 

 

Thank you for your interest. There are no plans to close or sell Northwest Mall. There is a lot of construction in the area which has slowed traffic to the mall significantly, however, we are still leasing. Once the construction is complete, we hope to renovate the mall.

 

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Renovate!? First of all, the demand for malls is low unless you have upscale shops like the Galleria or a nice mixed use development to encourage foot traffic like Memorial City. Secondly, does this mall really think it can compete with either mall just a couple miles in either direction? They would have to basically make it heaven on earth for it to draw people. 

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Don't remodel it, turn it into an theme park dedicated toward antiques..

I can see it now...

Antique World! The most retro place on earth! Located at Northwest Mall, an antique itself! 

 

 

-a Contour Entertainment park- ;)

 

 

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when I moved to Houston in 90 every store front was open.  We used to go to the Piccadilly for lunch all the time when I worked off Hollister and 290.  I live off Longpoint and wish the mall was the way it was 26 years ago.  Then I would not have to drive all the way to Willowbrook.  Despite the fact I am close to Memorial City, I don't go to that mall because its overpriced and snooty like the Galleria now.

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6 hours ago, Margo Mitchell said:

when I moved to Houston in 90 every store front was open.  We used to go to the Piccadilly for lunch all the time when I worked off Hollister and 290.  I live off Longpoint and wish the mall was the way it was 26 years ago.  Then I would not have to drive all the way to Willowbrook.  Despite the fact I am close to Memorial City, I don't go to that mall because its overpriced and snooty like the Galleria now.

What? Memorial City & Willowbrook have almost the exact same stores. In fact, looking at both of their directories, Willowbrook actually has more "higher end" stores. Memorial City has a Target & Military recruitment offices. So I have no idea what you mean by overpriced and snooty.

Personally, I've been to both, and prefer Willowbrook too (but for different reasons). Apart from the Holidays I have never seen that many people in Memorial City. There are empty store fronts by the kids play area/movie theater, and it smells awful. The only way I could see Memorial City as being snooty is the area it's in. If you include the Town & Country area, City Centre, and the new highrises/restaurants, then yeah... I guess it's snooty?

The difference is Willowbrook is more suburban. The same surrounding stores/restaurants exist along 1960, a little further.

Also, the Galleria is not snooty. A majority of the shoppers are average people. Of all the times I've been (Live really close by), I have yet to be trampled by women in fur coats, followed by their assistants carrying multiple cylinder hat boxes. 

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16 minutes ago, Montrose1100 said:

What? Memorial City & Willowbrook have almost the exact same stores. In fact, looking at both of their directories, Willowbrook actually has more "higher end" stores. Memorial City has a Target & Military recruitment offices. So I have no idea what you mean by overpriced and snooty.

Personally, I've been to both, and prefer Willowbrook too (but for different reasons). Apart from the Holidays I have never seen that many people in Memorial City. There are empty store fronts by the kids play area/movie theater, and it smells awful. The only way I could see Memorial City as being snooty is the area it's in. If you include the Town & Country area, City Centre, and the new highrises/restaurants, then yeah... I guess it's snooty?

The difference is Willowbrook is more suburban. The same surrounding stores/restaurants exist along 1960, a little further.

Also, the Galleria is not snooty. A majority of the shoppers are average people. Of all the times I've been (Live really close by), I have yet to be trampled by women in fur coats, followed by their assistants carrying multiple cylinder hat boxes. 

MCM is ALWAYS crowded. Parking is horrendous just like CityCentre and Town & Country. MCM is going through some type of renaissance in which it's becoming more like Galleria II.

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12 minutes ago, Houston? said:

MCM is ALWAYS crowded. Parking is horrendous just like CityCentre and Town & Country. MCM is going through some type of renaissance in which it's becoming more like Galleria II.

Maybe I've been lucky to avoid the crowded days, I've only visited it on the weekends, so I'll give you that. Any mall will have horrendous parking. Even Greenspoint can make you walk for it...

MCM went through a renaissance, and now it is on par with Willowbrook (almost). Neither of which are close to the amount of visitors or stores that the Galleria has. Period.

 

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The site currently houses major and local retailers alike, including Palais Royal and Foot Locker. Levcor is currently working on a redevelopment plan to turn the project into a mixed-use, grocery-anchored development. Space is currently available at the site for short-term leasing.

 
 
 
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from Levcor website....interesting

 

 

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Post Oak Market is an upcoming planned mixed use development on Levcor's Northwest Mall site. The project is currently in touch with key anchor tenants, which will inform the overall project development. The project will include hotel, residential, office and retail development within a dense, urban environment in the heart of Houston. Post Oak Market will promote walkability and new urbanism design principles, as well as the densification of Houston's urban core.

Post Oak Market will be located at the confluence of seven major thoroughfares in Houston - I-610 W, I-610 N, US 290, I-10, Hempstead Rd, 18th St and N. Post Oak Rd. The 290/I-10/I-610 interchange, at which the project is located, is undergoing a massive ~$3 bn redevelopment plan to improve connectivity and traffic flow, and will be completed in late 2017. In addition, discussions of the proposed high speed rail from Houston to Dallas is expected to have a station in the site's immediate area.

Further, the site is located minutes away from major Houston residential and commercial regions, including Galleria / Uptown (<10 min drive), the Greater Heights (<10 min drive), Spring Branch / Spring Valley (<10 min drive), Memorial Villages (10 min drive) and Downtown (10-15 min drive). Being at a critical interchange, Northwest Mall also has excellent access to and from Northwest and West Houston highly populated sub-regions Katy and Cy-Fair.

 
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northwest mall will be Post Oak Market

http://levcor.com/projects/post-oak-market

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Bumped to going up. There's a lot of large scale mixed-use developments we can look forward to. Let's see which ones pan out within the next decade.

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I just looked at the mall directory to see if there was anything I would want. yech. 

 

I can see this becoming kind of like a Meyerland Plaza type place.

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18 minutes ago, samagon said:

I just looked at the mall directory to see if there was anything I would want. yech. 

 

I can see this becoming kind of like a Meyerland Plaza type place.

 

haha i did the same thing... and nope.... http://www.northwest-mall.com/directory

 

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That sucks... I go there for Sesame Hut and their hot and spicy chicken. That's the mall my family went to when I was a kid but I haven't been past the food court in my adult life.

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On 3/1/2017 at 11:16 PM, Urbannizer said:

All stores said to close by the end of the month:

 

 

Thank God! FINALLY! Place was a dump

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