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10 hours ago, kylejack said:

It's nothing personal, I just know that 5 years from now some rando is going to tell me "someone once fell off tower" because these rumors take on a life of their own. Just wanted to do what I could to set it straight for whoever is reading this thread years later.

 

In other Pegstar news, though, a Woodlands teen has died from tainted ecstasy at FPSF.

 

Pegstar is no longer running FPSF-  it's apparently been owned by Live Nation for several months now:

 

http://www.houstonpress.com/music/girls-death-leads-to-revelation-of-fpsf-ownership-change-8469705

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Yeah, the various relationships are a little fuzzy, perhaps by design. But even if they still have a minority ownership, you can bet that Live Nation is calling the shots now. 

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On 7/30/2016 at 4:45 AM, Urbannizer said:

The group behind WOMH has something planned for this site on Glen Park and Hyacinth. Subdivision plat dubbed "Coyote Acre" on the planning commission spreadsheet.

 

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Oh yea, thought I had mentioned it last year. Planned to be a nightclub/bar in the neighborhood. They've already applied and received a liquor license for here. 

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On 7/30/2016 at 4:45 AM, Urbannizer said:

The group behind WOMH has something planned for this site on Glen Park and Hyacinth. Subdivision plat dubbed "Coyote Acre" on the planning commission spreadsheet.

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TABC has a pending application for "Black Page Brewing Co." at 210 Glen Park Street. This would presumably be the site.  Craft brewers guild website has the same address:

https://texascraftbrewersguild.org/members

This would be pretty awesome to have this nearby the WOMH. One more reason to walk over from the rail.

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1 hour ago, phillip_white said:

 

TABC has a pending application for "Black Page Brewing Co." at 210 Glen Park Street. This would presumably be the site.  Craft brewers guild website has the same address:

https://texascraftbrewersguild.org/members

This would be pretty awesome to have this nearby the WOMH. One more reason to walk over from the rail.

You are correct. Meant to post this the other week.

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http://www.chron.com/business/article/Expiring-permit-puts-White-Oak-s-outdoor-concerts-9206163.php

 

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City regulators are threatening to force the operators of White Oak Music Hall to halt a string of outdoor concerts scheduled for this fall if a new permanent stage isn't built in time.

W2 Development Partners and Pegstar Productions continue to promote and sell tickets for the open-air shows at White Oak Music Hall throughout October and November, despite the fact that their temporary permit to do so is void as of Oct. 5. The organizers say they plan to go forward in part by taking down the controversial temporary stage currently on the site, then re-erecting it and reapplying for the temporary permit.

"The stage will come down and it will come back up," developer Will Garwood said. "They have the latitude to say that it's safe or not. They can't say you can't take it down and put it back up. We have every right to have a concert on the stage."

He said the city will find the stage structurally sound and cannot deny the application.

 

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And they told the community and local council members they would build a permanent stage when the time was right. Why don't they? That forces them to actually focus on the major parking issue in the area (it would require to meet city parking regulations), and it's only going to get worse for them once all the neighborhoods put permit parking in place. Not to sound cynical, but Will Garwood has plenty of connections within the city to have shows keep playing..

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Having ridden past this venue several times in the past few months, it still blows my mind this was ever allowed to happen. I look at the bands coming through and think, if I owned a house in that area I'd burn that f***ing stage to the ground.

 

In The Woodlands you can hear concerts all the way in the back on some nights. I can't imagine how noisy this venue is in the heart of a neighborhood.

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35 minutes ago, Nucleareaction said:

Having ridden past this venue several times in the past few months, it still blows my mind this was ever allowed to happen. I look at the bands coming through and think, if I owned a house in that area I'd burn that f***ing stage to the ground.

Well, in my view, this has still been a huge improvement over what was there... a vacant lot with literally two crack houses next to the Raven Tower. I couldn't even walk down the street without being hassled back then... but the noise level has obviously been intense and the Uber driver/parking situation has gotten out of hand.

 

Anyway, I still think it goes back to connections. They work with the city all the time, especially for major events like Free Press Summer Festival. The city even guaranteed they would improve the creek area for them in return for the tax revenue their place would generate and the potential to bring more development to the area.

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39 minutes ago, Triton said:

Well, in my view, this has still been a huge improvement over what was there... a vacant lot with literally two crack houses next to the Raven Tower. I couldn't even walk down the street without being hassled back then... but the noise level has obviously been intense and the Uber driver/parking situation has gotten out of hand.

 

Anyway, I still think it goes back to connections. They work with the city all the time, especially for major events like Free Press Summer Festival. The city even guaranteed they would improve the creek area for them in return for the tax revenue their place would generate and the potential to bring more development to the area.

 

I don't disagree with the improvement to the local area, the google map view is still a wasteland. A bayou path would be awesome, and other developments would surely help deaden the noise. But parking in that area (as mentioned) is a huge issue and any other development will for sure change the feel of the neighborhood from what it currently is - my opinion of "gentrification" is neutral.

 

At the end of the day, I think i would still feel pretty mad as a resident that a business with connections is able to operate a concert venue with legal impunity simply because of who they know. Thankfully, I don't live there and my area DID manage to get a local restaurant/Miami beach club setup to tone it down after dark.

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There is also the Side Out Beach Bar being built out in Glenn Park just across the street as part of WOMH extension. Jesus I feel awful for that neighborhood. It's already such a mess driving through there most days. 

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I like WOMH, but the impact on the surrounding neighborhood is wrong and a double standard. I was at Raven Tower watching a band (it's covered but outside) and while looking to the left I saw an apartment with a mom inside her living room... probably less than 100ft away. If this development were a biker bar/rap club/you name it in a better-off neighborhood, you'd have this place shutdown in a matter of weeks. 

 

WOMH can coexist... but they'd have to turn the music down some and possibly stagger some events.

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Waaaait.... Wtf, they are building a bar in our neighborhood????

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30 minutes ago, Triton said:

Waaaait.... Wtf, they are building a bar in our neighborhood????

Yep, added beauty next to that gaudey contemporary house they just built on Hyacinth. 

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Yea guess I haven't updated anything here yet. There won't be a bar going into the neighborhood. It will be this brewpub and it's actually been planned to be a brewpub for quite a while. The Coyote Acre name actually has nothing to do with the type of place it is going to be but actually deals with the amount of sighted coyotes on this property. I've heard at least 4 coyotes (possibly a few pups) have been spotted here. Currently, there is only one other bar popping up... that being the volleyball bar across the creek next to their parking lot.

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53 minutes ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

There's also this nugget in Papercity magazine recently:

" They (Will Thomas and Will Garwood) also own four acres on the other side of the bayou from White Oak Music Hall and there are deals in place to bring a sand volleyball themed bar in partnership with GUS (Grown Up Sports) and a much more ambitious Les Givral’s restaurant along the water somewhat modeled after Austin’s beloved Mozart’s Coffee to that site. "

http://www.papercitymag.com/culture/white-oak-music-hall-rebels-will-thomas-will-garwood-shake-up-houston-controversy/

Pedestrian bridge across the bayou?

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23 hours ago, Triton said:

The Coyote Acre name actually has nothing to do with the type of place it is going to be but actually deals with the amount of sighted coyotes on this property. I've heard at least 4 coyotes (possibly a few pups) have been spotted here. 

 

I've seen coyotes in the back part of Hollywood Cemetery (furthest away from 45) on several occasions. 

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Found out some troubling news about this place and this might develop into a bigger story (think Houston Chron, etc.)...This place seems to have a real problem with obtaining the correct permits and this may be the biggest one yet due to safety risks.

 

Apparently city inspectors found out that the plans WOMH first submitted to get the Pavilion, the concert section directly under the Raven Tower, permitted was for "warehouse use". They should have been permitted for "assembly use" instead but they didn't apply for that because it's the most restrictive one.... It obviously requires more safety equipment such as sprinklers and many other life safety features in case of any situation.. think the Station Nightclub fire that killed 100 people in Rhode Island during a concert. Anyway, the city was unaware this was being used for 600+ people for events and they shut down the Pavilion last week. The thing is though, the developers know this but apparently you can still buy tickets at the Pavilion for this place despite the obvious safety risks...

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yikes...hope this all works out before Sohn comes March 20th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is my must see show of 2017 so far and it was just announced today!

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24 minutes ago, gene said:

yikes...hope this all works out before Sohn comes March 20th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is my must see show of 2017 so far and it was just announced today!

I don't think Sohn is playing at the Raven Tower. The Pavilion/Raven Tower is the section that's affected.

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i mean just in general...this place has had so many controversies/problems etc... crossing fingers there is a way to work it all out! 

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Jeez. This place has been a shot in the arm for some more interesting musical acts coming to Houston. After hearing some of the rumors about how they treated Fitzgerald's I am not that shocked to hear about this kind of corner cutting, but man does it suck.

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I dunno, that sounds odd to me. They've been running concerts in that space since the very beginning, it was no secret. The City saying that they just discovered this doesn't hold water.

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i finally got around to darkening the doorway of White Oak. (One of my guys is tour manager for Dillinger Escape Plan, who played Sunday)

 

I thought it was nice, just a larger version of Fitzgeralds. I knew half the staff and ran into half the people I work with...Spent too much at the bar (I'll attribute that to the bartenders being new and not knowing me...lol).

 

All in all, I still prefer Warehouse and HoB

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What a mess with this place. I assume you've all heard of the lawsuit facing this place now, right?

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You'd think that the city would require a variance request be posted prior to a permanent outdoor music venue being constructed?

 

oh well, I guess if this costs the city money, it will be something they end up making a rule.

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I will be darkening their doors this Saturday (or, turning the joint red, heh)

 

It's a free show, look for the voodoo doll in my icon.... lol

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On 10/27/2016 at 8:37 AM, CrockpotandGravel said:

There's also this nugget in Papercity magazine recently:

" They (Will Thomas and Will Garwood) also own four acres on the other side of the bayou from White Oak Music Hall and there are deals in place to bring a sand volleyball themed bar in partnership with GUS (Grown Up Sports) and a much more ambitious Les Givral’s restaurant along the water somewhat modeled after Austin’s beloved Mozart’s Coffee to that site. "

http://www.papercitymag.com/culture/white-oak-music-hall-rebels-will-thomas-will-garwood-shake-up-houston-controversy/

Any update on the Les Givral's?

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9 hours ago, Triton said:

Any update on the Les Givral's?

I'm surprised Les Givral's would step foot so close to Pho Binh territory. Anyone whom visits the latter will not return to the first.

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5 hours ago, Montrose1100 said:

I'm surprised Les Givral's would step foot so close to Pho Binh territory. Anyone whom visits the latter will not return to the first.

 

Not as big a conflict as it first may appear.  People go to Pho Binh for pho and plates o' stuff, Les Givrals is a lot bigger on killer banh mi and rolls.  That, and 45 is a pretty big psychological divide, at least for a lot of us Heights Rats.

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12 hours ago, mollusk said:

 

Not as big a conflict as it first may appear.  People go to Pho Binh for pho and plates o' stuff, Les Givrals is a lot bigger on killer banh mi and rolls.  That, and 45 is a pretty big psychological divide, at least for a lot of us Heights Rats.

Completely agree. Having a Vietnamese girlfriend, she's taught me there are huge differences between the two. Plus, Pho Binh is a little higher priced and who wouldn't mind some delicious banh mi before a show?

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On 2/25/2017 at 0:15 PM, mollusk said:

 

Not as big a conflict as it first may appear.  People go to Pho Binh for pho and plates o' stuff, Les Givrals is a lot bigger on killer banh mi and rolls.  That, and 45 is a pretty big psychological divide, at least for a lot of us Heights Rats.

Pho Binh's Banh Mi is the best I've ever had and has more than a tiny sliver of meat.

 

...but you get what you pay for.

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One of the architects behind this wrote a really interesting narrative from his perspective on WOMH on reddit yesterday:

 

 

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I didn't even realize there was still an issue over this.

 

Houston is too far grown for zoning to be added now.

 

And besides that, zoning brings its own headaches and lawsuits.

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