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Turns out they are going to build an events place just a block away from my place. All my neighbors are worried since the lot is quite large. I've got mixed feelings since they did a massive sound test a few months ago and I worry they'll be playing loud music late into the night. But I also see it that I'll be able to walk to this place... so I don't know what to feel right now.

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The address is 2915 N Main St, Houston, TX 77009.

Edit: For clarification, I'm no where near 100% this is a concert hall, but my neighbors are believing that to be the case. I plan on contacting the city to find out more about it.

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I'm of the opinion that this will do wonders for the heights. It certainly needs a good project to draw some attention to itself.

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This isnt the Heights but its very close.

 

I have a feeling that N.Main will have tons of new businesses opening up though. It wouldnt be good because that area is pretty quiet at night.

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If it were me - I would hate having a loud neighbor like that.  You can't put a price on peace and quiet.  You just need to find where the owner lives, and then set up shop next door to him during the day and host a drum training studio or something similar.

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That doesn't always work, arche, but it's a pretty funny idea.

You see, I grew up 4 houses down from what was the Peppermint Lounge at E. 26th and N. Main. During the 80's, the mariachis would stand in the gravel parking lot across 26th and practice. The jukebox inside was blaring all kinds of rancheros until it closed down at 2am...ish every night.

The problem was, the owner lived in the yellow house directly across the street from the cantina, so she obviously wasn't bothered by the loud music.

I can attest to your comment above. Whatever kind of "concert hall" this becomes will result in whatever peace and quiet that might exist now, surrounding the 2900 block of N. Main, being lost.

I could write an entire book on the shenanigans that used to transpire at the Peppermint, the Peppermint's sister The Oriente on 25th and Main, and to a lesser extent C&F on 27th and Main, during the 80's. We certainly made our fair share of money pushing those drunk bastards out of the ditches every night, lol.

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That doesn't always work, arche, but it's a pretty funny idea.

You see, I grew up 4 houses down from what was the Peppermint Lounge at E. 26th and N. Main. During the 80's, the mariachis would stand in the gravel parking lot across 26th and practice. The jukebox inside was blaring all kinds of rancheros until it closed down at 2am...ish every night.

The problem was, the owner lived in the yellow house directly across the street from the cantina, so she obviously wasn't bothered by the loud music.

I can attest to your comment above. Whatever kind of "concert hall" this becomes will result in whatever peace and quiet that might exist now, surrounding the 2900 block of N. Main, being lost.

I could write an entire book on the shenanigans that used to transpire at the Peppermint, the Peppermint's sister The Oriente on 25th and Main, and to a lesser extent C&F on 27th and Main, during the 80's. We certainly made our fair share of money pushing those drunk bastards out of the ditches every night, lol.

Now I can hear the music in my head... and I've now got a craving for Tex-Mex for dinner!

 

My suggestion was going to the owners place of residence during their sleeping hours and playing loud music!  Perhaps a little Slayer or Iron Maiden (since it was the 80s) would have persuaded your neighbor that mariachi music into the wee hours of the morning wasn't the best idea.

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You must've known me back then, with the long hair, Doc Martens, and black t-shirts. Slayer and Maiden were right up my alley back then...

Who am I kidding? I think my "En Vivo" Maiden cassette is in the glove box of the truck. You've got your dinner plans, I've got my soundtrack for the drive home! Thanks, arche!

Wish I'd have had a loud enough stereo to have seen your idea through back then. You're right, that'd have been some sweet payback for my neighbors and I.

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That area is pretty residential. For both the living and the dead. 2915 would be nearly right across from Hollywood and basically next door to the old Stuart's Drive-In, wouldn't it?

I couldn't imagine Rockefeller's setting up their new digs here. Maybe, but I suspect a hall for quinceneras, weddings and such is much more likely.

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Wow, so I learned from the developer today that this place is going to be massive. I'll provide a full list tomorrow including a map of just how much property they actually bought! All my neighbors are thinking about filling complaints but none will do so until the developer publishes the final design. Planned construction is October 1st of this year. This is going to be the next big music venue in Houston... let me just say that. Again, I'll provide more details tomorrow.

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Wow, so I learned from the developer today that this place is going to be massive. I'll provide a full list tomorrow including a map of just how much property they actually bought! All my neighbors are thinking about filling complaints but none will do so until the developer publishes the final design. Planned construction is October 1st of this year. This is going to be the next big music venue in Houston... let me just say that. Again, I'll provide more details tomorrow.

 

Tap, tap, tap...Getting impatient for the promised update.  ;-)

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I had to wait until I got more facts from the Glen Park meeting...

 

So my neighborhood had a meeting today at 6pm to discuss minimum lot size and becoming historical, but before we even talked about that, my neighborhood was in an uproar about this development. Apparently it is the new location for Fitzgeralds. Yes, Fitzgeralds is moving from White Oak to here... hence, "White Oak Events, LLC" on the sign. And it's going to be a massive complex with multiple stages, including an outdoor stage that overlooks the city and the small creek. They also bought the property across the street for parking. Now, based on what was said at the meeting, I'm not 100% sure that this is a new Fitzgeralds but it is 100% being built and run by the same people who own Fitzgeralds. We will have to just wait and see...

Anyway, here is the property it will be built on, including the parking lot across the street:

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Surprising if Fitzgerald's is really relocating to this new venue from their current location on White Oak - so much history, musical and otherwise, in that old building. I could easily see them opening a second location, however. Fitzgerald's owner is the driving force behind Free Press Houston, and given that Free Press Summer Fest has continued to grow by leaps and bounds, it makes a lot of sense for them to own a year-round venue with a larger capacity than Fitzgerald's, not to mention an outdoor stage. 

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Surprising if Fitzgerald's is really relocating to this new venue from their current location on White Oak - so much history, musical and otherwise, in that old building. I could easily see them opening a second location, however. Fitzgerald's owner is the driving force behind Free Press Houston, and given that Free Press Summer Fest has continued to grow by leaps and bounds, it makes a lot of sense for them to own a year-round venue with a larger capacity than Fitzgerald's, not to mention an outdoor stage. 

 

History? I dont think some of these new folks know or give a .... about the Heights history. 'Progess' is what theyre calling it. SMH 

IF they close it down, it would be sad thing. Ive attended so many shows there since 82. Now if they can start bringing back some qualty music.....;). Im getting old.

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The nearby homes won't even hear the concerts over the murmur of 45...  = ]

 

I don't think this is a bad a location at all.

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History? I dont think some of these new folks know or give a .... about the Heights history. 'Progess' is what theyre calling it. SMH

IF they close it down, it would be sad thing. Ive attended so many shows there since 82. Now if they can start bringing back some qualty music.....;). Im getting old.

You're getting old? I remember when this thing was still a dance hall named the Dom Polski!

I've dripped many a bead of sweat in that oven too. I've seen Fitz so packed, you couldn't have escaped to literally save your life. If they close it down, can you believe that would leave Numbers standing as the last original venue of our time and area?

My God, I fIrst met my wife at Fitz! I still mess with her today about that "Cure" hairdo she had back then, lol. I would hope after all of the money they have spent repairing Fitz White Oak, they'd keep them both open, if this is to be Fitz North Main.

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You're getting old? I remember when this thing was still a dance hall named the Dom Polski!

I've dripped many a bead of sweat in that oven too. I've seen Fitz so packed, you couldn't have escaped to literally save your life. If they close it down, can you believe that would leave Numbers standing as the last original venue of our time and area?

My God, I fIrst met my wife at Fitz! I still mess with her today about that "Cure" hairdo she had back then, lol. I would hope after all of the money they have spent repairing Fitz White Oak, they'd keep them both open, if this is to be Fitz North Main.

Thats awesome! Numbers...so many great memories there too. Some I cant remember. "Cure hairdo". The paper photos that we still have...LOL Between the old structure and all of the hairspray...we were in a fire hazard area for sure. 

I also hope its a second location.

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If this really is Fitzgeralds new location it's kinda bittersweet. On one hand I'm excited to see them grow and establish themselves as one of Houston's most popular venues, but on the other hand I really wish it could've been a new desperate venue. This just means one will open while the other closes, unless someone else decides to move in...

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My neighborhood is meeting the developers on Thursday at 6pm. I'll report what happens.

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This is 100% a new Fitzgeralds with a capacity for 1500 people and 500 parking spots. This thing is huge. I'll post renderings after the meeting.

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Scrap that. I'll post renderings when I get the go-ahead to post them on the web, although they are on my Facebook page for those of you who are friends with me.  :)

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I've PM'd Mab the renderings. If anyone else wants to see them, just PM me and I'll share them. DO NOT post them anywhere (Not Flickr, Swamplot, Skyscraperpage, no where!) or I'll get in a lot of trouble.

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So plenty of people have already asked me some of the same questions, so I'll just post it here. This is not a second location but the location for Fitzgerald's. It's a 1500 capacity concert venue with both indoor and outdoor stages. The developer is wanting to build a new street from North St. to Ideal St. for traffic purposes. Whether the bridge they build will be for pedestrian purposes or cars, that is unclear. They will also be installing new lighting on the North Main bridge over Little White Oak Creek and they will transform Little White Oak Creek to make it more pleasing to the eye... there is trash everywhere right now. The outdoor parts will have incredible views of downtown which you can see in the renderings. The city is working very closely with them. All new sidewalks, all new trees, parks, etc. This will be a major development for this area. We'll probably want to move this to Going Up! soon especially since this isn't even really the Heights.

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A little "blast from the past" from the historic Fitz. This is a Fitzgerald's concert poster from April 1st, 1994. Sorry it's a little hard to see, but I turned a black light on it to show its reflective aspect. The headliner was Dixie Waste, Poor Dumb Bastards was the opening act upstairs, F**kEmos was on the Zelda's stage downstairs.

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Any word on what's going to happen to the existing Fitzgerald's location, now that it's been confirmed that they're moving?

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(*sigh....*)  I'm going to miss that old firetrap; then again, I haven't been there for quite some time - having aged out of attending Boogie Till You Puke Night some time ago.

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Lively discussion over at Reddit 

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/houston/comments/2cff7u/new_fitzgeralds_location/

 

 

 

 

I had to wait until I got more facts from the Glen Park meeting...

 

So my neighborhood had a meeting today at 6pm to discuss minimum lot size and becoming historical, but before we even talked about that, my neighborhood was in an uproar about this development. Apparently it is the new location for Fitzgeralds. Yes, Fitzgeralds is moving from White Oak to here... hence, "White Oak Events, LLC" on the sign. And it's going to be a massive complex with multiple stages, including an outdoor stage that overlooks the city and the small creek. They also bought the property across the street for parking. Now, based on what was said at the meeting, I'm not 100% sure that this is a new Fitzgeralds but it is 100% being built and run by the same people who own Fitzgeralds. We will have to just wait and see...

Anyway, here is the property it will be built on, including the parking lot across the street:

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Just for those linking to this thread on other websites, please know that this map is outdated! They own nearly double the amount of land shown here which includes more property on E Woodland St. and land on the other side of North Main and on the other side of the creek as well. This map was drawn by me and the developers map includes much more but I cannot post that at this time.

 

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Triton, I'm glad to hear that they also own land on the other side of the creek, because the new MetroRail North Line Quitman stop is about 5-6 blocks away from the creek.  The closer this project can be to the rail line, the better for everyone involved.  If the venue is nice (and large) enough, it might become an important anchor for the North Line and give locals and visitors a reason to head north of downtown on the train.

 

That being said, I would hope efforts are made to improve the landscape and security along that 5-6 block path, as a simple Google Maps search reveals it to be pretty sketchy.

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My thoughts:

Like Numbers & Rich's, Fitz's in a longstanding Houston institution and I was hoping some of the old place would be incorporated into the new design. Many of us have a lot of memories there, whether recent or distant. That kind of charm makes the place stand out.

But, with all the new bars on White Oak, Fitz's obviously outgrew the location, so I can understand the move. And I kinda get the feeling maybe Fitz's new location may be dependent on MetroRail. Quitman platform appears to be a short walk south.

One other thought: I wonder if the new place would be visible from 45 leaving downtown going north? If so, with a lil dramatic lighting, that could be cool...

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I can no longer share the renderings any longer, and to the select few I have shared them to, please do not share them to anyone else. I've already been contacted by several music blogs to spill more info, unbelievably at my personal email and my Facebook (not even here). The reason is, I've been contacted by the architects of the new Fitzgerald's and I'll respect their request not to publish the renderings until they release them to the web. 

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Seems like there is some kind of verification that the people behind Fitzgerald's are involved, as Fitzgerald's retweeted this tweet from Jagi Katial (@jkatial), the owner of Pegstar: 

 

"I wish I could say more.  As always, it will be worth the wait. #NearNorthside #Fitz #Pegstar #MusicVenueHouston."  

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I can no longer share the renderings any longer, and to the select few I have shared them to, please do not share them to anyone else. I've already been contacted by several music blogs to spill more info, unbelievably at my personal email and my Facebook (not even here). The reason is, I've been contacted by the architects of the new Fitzgerald's and I'll respect their request not to publish the renderings until they release them to the web. 

 

not sure if you had permission from the onset but you should really be careful about sending out things like renderings or spilling info about sources... especially if you work for a commercial real estate firm.

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not sure if you had permission from the onset but you should really be careful about sending out things like renderings or spilling info about sources... especially if you work for a commercial real estate firm.

The renderings have already been posted to the community so it was only a matter of time until they were on the Web. I'm in no legal trouble at all... I didnt get any of this info from my firm. Trust me, I know all about confidentiality. The architecture firm simply gave me a friendly request that they spent quite a bit of time working on the renderings and that they want to be the one's to announce the project (kinda too late on that front but whatever). So I honored their wish but that doesn't mean the rest of the community hasn't already posted it to their Facebooks or what have you.. And from there on, it will be shared.

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Well now you have my attention Triton. Ugh. Might as well spill the beans dude.

Yeah Triton it's not like the damage has already been done so I guess you have no point but to show us those renderings... :D

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Pretty sure this is Pegstar, a company that books shows and runs Free Press Summerfest moving from Fitzgeralds (which is the name of a building/venue) to a new venue. I don't think Pegstar even owns Fitz they were just operating out of that venue.

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"bandied"

It's the information we were told at the meeting...

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*sorry for the repost*

This is not in line with the info I have. The renderings clearly say Fitzgeralds on them. Something is fishy here.

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ambitious!  do they actually have the financing for this modern palace...

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Something is fishy about that article. There's a bunch of info that is already known. We already know the capacity. Hell, the renderings even displayed that it's a new Fitzgeralds location.

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