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http://www.bisnow.com/commercial-real-estate/houston/1929-buy-five-redevelop-five-sell-one-million/

 

This is the old strip center with Cappellini's.  Sounds like they will clear out some old tenants from the article, but have not heard anything beyond the vague hints in the link.  With four big apartment complexes coming and lots of renovations and new construction in the area, it looks like is time for the retail "other shoe" to drop.  

 

 

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This is Tampico Heights, right?

 

In spirit, but not by the official boundaries.  Tampico Heights extends only to the east side of N. Main according to some guy with a website. 

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What four big apartment complexes? On N Main?

Kinda weird that they bought this shopping center. It isn't really that bad. The motel next door between this shopping center and Spanish Flowers needs to be torn down. It used to have a prostitution ring going on there back in the 70s and 80s.

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The motel next door between this shopping center and Spanish Flowers needs to be torn down. It used to have a prostitution ring going on there back in the 70s and 80s.

 

Disagree. The Admiral Motel's an exemplar of the area's local charm. I'm not aware of any prostitution rings going on there now, and would be sad to see it plowed under in favor of more featureless redevelopment.

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Disagree. The Admiral Motel's an exemplar of the area's local charm. I'm not aware of any prostitution rings going on there now, and would be sad to see it plowed under in favor of more featureless redevelopment.

 

It's true that there used to be prostitution there in the early 80's. I dont know about now though. The 'ladies' used to walk the street late at night and talk to my friends and I while we rode our bikes. I do think this place need's to go or be remodeled. I really hope there isnt a huge apartment complex going up there. I do feel that its going to start working its way down Main to 45. 

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What four big apartment complexes? On N Main?

 

 

 

I think the comment was about Heights retail in general, not just N. Main.

 

There are large multi-family projects either in process or planned for:

 

- Yale b/w 6th and 7th

- Yale b/w 5th and 6th

- Watson & Usener (Skylane site)

- 24th and Nicholson

 

Over 1000 units combined.

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The Admiral would make a cool boutique style'd hotel. 

 

It has its charm, but is the neighborhood (Tampico Heights) ready for boutique hotels?

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I think the comment was about Heights retail in general, not just N. Main.

 

There are large multi-family projects either in process or planned for:

 

- Yale b/w 6th and 7th

- Yale b/w 5th and 6th

- Watson & Usener (Skylane site)

- 24th and Nicholson

 

Over 1000 units combined.

 

Correct.  Of course, the net would be 800ish with the demo of Skylane. 

 

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It has its charm, but is the neighborhood (Tampico Heights) ready for boutique hotels?

 

 

I think so... there is lack of available hotel space in the near vacinity.  I would want to see a bit more development along Main first but I still think it would do well. 

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Disagree. The Admiral Motel's an exemplar of the area's local charm. I'm not aware of any prostitution rings going on there now, and would be sad to see it plowed under in favor of more featureless redevelopment.

He just wants the vintage neon for himself, lol! Edited by Purpledevil

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Correct.  Of course, the net would be 800ish with the demo of Skylane. 

 

 

 

I would have thought that given the size of the replacement, Usener would be a net increase in total units.

 

I haven't seen the newest plans for 5th and Yale, or any plans for 24th and Nicholson, but both could be in the 300+ range, and 6th and Yale is ~350.  I'd still guess net it's >1000.

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I would have thought that given the size of the replacement, Usener would be a net increase in total units.

 

I haven't seen the newest plans for 5th and Yale, or any plans for 24th and Nicholson, but both could be in the 300+ range, and 6th and Yale is ~350.  I'd still guess net it's >1000.

 

You are right.  Skylane always looks bigger up on that little hill than it really is.  I think it only had 76 units.  So, a net increase of 200 units (Elan Heights is supposed to be 276 units).

 

TC's development does look like it will be over 600 units, possibly 700.  The JLB development is a real wild card.  They tend to go with 4-6 story complexes, but have done bigger ones.  I would expect at least 250 units. 

 

Whether it is 800 or 1000, that is a lot of people coming into the area, which will be a big driver for demand for retail. 

 

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Whether it is 800 or 1000, that is a lot of people coming into the area, which will be a big driver for demand for retail. 

 

 

 

Let's start some irresponsible rumors about HEB replacing the Grocer's Supply on Studemont.   :D

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Any ideas of what's going on infront of this strip center? It used to be Aztec Iron but I believe the property was sold a while back and the iron fence came down this week.

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10 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

It does look dated but it works for me. Maybe because I'm old school. The Heights Place is eclectic and I can't wait to see how the complete renovations will come together once all the new tenants move in.

All in all, I actually like it too. I like retro looking designs sometimes... I'll definitely check this place out especially since it's down the street from me on N Main.

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That's too bad. Had a really good meal there last month.

 

But yeah, it was maybe 2/3 full on Saturday night, which is not a good sign.

 

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Chit.  Gotta change tomorrow's meal plan.

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I wonder if there is such a thing as too much success when opening a restaurant?  Every time I went to FC early on, it was packed. I thought it was going to be packed all the time with all the big critical acclaim and did not see it as a place to go for a week night meal.  Or maybe the Location was a bit too ambitious (Most Houstonians probably do not think of a nice night out and N Main in the same sentence).  I hope this won't keep restaurantuers from doing interesting things in the Heights.  There are only so many $16 plates of shrimp and grits to go around.  

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Big loss for the houston food scene, I always enjoyed my meals there and concept was unlike anything I've seen here or elsewhere. That said I had my bday dinner there 2 months ago (on Wednesday granted) but the place was barely half full. I'd like to think that the location presented some problems but it did seemingly do well the first couple of months. 

 

Id like to think they will revisit the concept in a more main and main location but I doubt it. 

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Agree about listening to the guests. Each time we went in we were a little less impressed. Got rid of the happy hour instantly. Portions got smaller every time. We use to be able to order a couple dishes and be full but each time we went it seemed like another dish was needed. When you pay $36 for a half chicken that is the same size as a normal chicken breast it kinda makes you sad inside. Everything tasted great but when they opened I and others were hoping for a more casual place for frequent meals. It ended up being a more tapas style $100 date night place. 

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28 minutes ago, bedmondson said:

Agree about listening to the guests. Each time we went in we were a little less impressed. Got rid of the happy hour instantly. Portions got smaller every time. We use to be able to order a couple dishes and be full but each time we went it seemed like another dish was needed. When you pay $36 for a half chicken that is the same size as a normal chicken breast it kinda makes you sad inside. Everything tasted great but when they opened I and others were hoping for a more casual place for frequent meals. It ended up being a more tapas style $100 date night place. 

 

Places like this face a challenge, since certain cuisines get associated with a much lower price point.

 

People don't balk at paying $30 for an entree at a French or Italian restaurant, or a "farm-to-table" restaurant (whatever that means), but a fine-dining thai, chinese or mexican place gets compared to much more modest restaurants with similarly named menu items.

 

FWIW, last time we went there (about a month ago) four of us paid about $120 +tip, which I felt was very reasonable.

 

 

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https://www.statesideseattle.com/

 

This is Seattle's version of FC, but from Vietnamese cuisine.  This place was in NYT and received best new restaurant accolades in Seattle.  It is packed all the time.  But it is in a prime location in Seattle with lots of foot traffic from other bars, restaurants and retail.  It is also very close to downtown.  As much as the Heights has come along, I think N. Main is just not ready for prime time.  Also, FC was excellent, but not such a gem like Oxheart that location did not matter.  

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Not surprising. If they could carry the lease for the whole space, Canard would (probably) still be open pending a new concept for the FC side of the space.

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On 1/10/2017 at 11:47 AM, kbates2 said:

 

I'd read that, but I'd guess that Canard was probably at least breaking even on its own, considering it only really occupied ~1500-1800 s.f. of the space. Add in another $8-10k per month in lease cost for the FC part of the space, plus the fact that the parent company has zero cash reserves, and there's no way Canard could stay open.

 

That said, given how co-mingled the two spaces and operations were (they shared the same walk-in and prep area as well as bathrooms), it's not clear how well the parent company knew the true profitability of each concept. Additionally, it seemed like a lot of the customers in Canard were either coming from or heading to FC (or maybe a lot of the customers in FC were either coming from or heading to Canard).

 

Ultimately I think a concept like Canard could be successful on its own, but we may never get a chance to find out.

 

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On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 11:47 AM, kbates2 said:

Only 13 comments in that article in over a week.  I can only imagine how many comments were deleted.  A friend who works in another restaurant group with businesses in the same area as Treadsack told me he thinks they will no longer be in business in a few months.  We shall see.

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On 2/10/2017 at 2:51 PM, CrockpotandGravel said:

Hughies is expanding in The Heights. Houston Press is reporting the owners signed a lease for 4721 N Main, Suite A. Foreign Correspondents and Canard will finish moving items out within the next 15 days.

http://www.houstonpress.com/restaurants/rejoice-a-heights-neighborhood-joint-to-fill-foreign-correspondents-space-9190957

 

Awesome!!

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Hughie's is so good. Already been to this location twice and it was completely packed just the second day. It appears this place will be very successful... so hard to find parking though now along with the Austin-based ice cream place taking in a lot of customers too. I do worry about Morningstar though... hasn't been getting great reviews either.

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21 hours ago, Triton said:

Hughie's is so good. Already been to this location twice and it was completely packed just the second day. It appears this place will be very successful... so hard to find parking though now along with the Austin-based ice cream place taking in a lot of customers too. I do worry about Morningstar though... hasn't been getting great reviews either.

Uh Morningstar seems packed all the time...where have you seen bad reviews? 

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Morningstar's great, I go often and see them getting plenty of business.

Edit: Looks like most of the 2 stars on Yelp are whining about the donuts. They're not my favorite, and they're a little expensive, but I'm not there for that, I'm there for the awesome coffee service. Pssst.... the excellent Shipley Donuts location is only a few blocks away.

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The donuts are great but probably over complicated... They all have ingredients you have never heard of and a lot of them taste the same even though they supposedly have different stuff in them. Trying to hard to make the donuts "adult". The breakfast is the most unique in the neighborhood and what keeps bringing us back. And I have always had to wait in a line, they are doing well from what I can tell.

 

I was kinda underwhelmed by the gelato shop. Probably because we just went to that one in River Oaks District which is on a whole other level.

 

Its gonna be hard to not go to Hughies every week. It was our favorite restaurant even when it wasn't that close.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, kylejack said:

Edit: Looks like most of the 2 stars on Yelp are whining about the donuts. 

 

Yelp may be the worst thing to happen to the restaurant industry in recent history.  I have family in the PNW that run a very high profile restaurant (NY Times reviewed, tops local media "best" lists, etc.).  The cuisine is Asian/French fusion.  The Yelpers started a crusade calling out the Asian side of the cuisine on the grounds of lack of authenticity and cultural appropriation (chef is a white guy).  it got so bad that they are now working on transitioning out most of the Asian influence on the menu.  

 

The yelpers in Houston do not get it that the yeast donuts at Morningstar are supposed to be chewy or a bit more "al dente" than what drips out of the deep fryer at Shipleys.  Others just do not get the creative dishes like the black rice, money cat potatoes or crispy rice.  Morningstar has responded to the Yelpers with less ambitious fare like breakfast tacos and brisket filled kolaches.  The location does not lend itself to the same kind of traffic that Boomtown gets, but it is always full on the weekends and busy enough during the week.

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58 minutes ago, s3mh said:

 

Yelp may be the worst thing to happen to the restaurant industry in recent history.  I have family in the PNW that run a very high profile restaurant (NY Times reviewed, tops local media "best" lists, etc.).  The cuisine is Asian/French fusion.  The Yelpers started a crusade calling out the Asian side of the cuisine on the grounds of lack of authenticity and cultural appropriation (chef is a white guy).  it got so bad that they are now working on transitioning out most of the Asian influence on the menu.  

 

The yelpers in Houston do not get it that the yeast donuts at Morningstar are supposed to be chewy or a bit more "al dente" than what drips out of the deep fryer at Shipleys.  Others just do not get the creative dishes like the black rice, money cat potatoes or crispy rice.  Morningstar has responded to the Yelpers with less ambitious fare like breakfast tacos and brisket filled kolaches.  The location does not lend itself to the same kind of traffic that Boomtown gets, but it is always full on the weekends and busy enough during the week.

 

Agreed.  Yelp is not only bad for the restaurant industry; the reviews and ratings are pretty much worthless.  My understanding is they don't even attempt to police to make sure the reviews are legitimate. 

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Their donuts are kinda bad. I actually had to throw away my donut holes from Morningstar and drive on down to Shipley's. Their coffee is good though and I'm a sucker for their matcha drink. Seriously wish they would change their hours but that's just personal preference.

But back to what I was saying, Yelp reviews can make or break a place. I remember it being closer to 3 stars a while back but it looks like it has improved some. In this day and age, 2 star reviews can seriously hamper a business. That's why I somewhat worry about this place.

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5 hours ago, s3mh said:

Yelp may be the worst thing to happen to the restaurant industry in recent history.  I have family in the PNW that run a very high profile restaurant (NY Times reviewed, tops local media "best" lists, etc.).  The cuisine is Asian/French fusion.  The Yelpers started a crusade calling out the Asian side of the cuisine on the grounds of lack of authenticity and cultural appropriation (chef is a white guy).

 

Didn't you get the memo? The painstaking enumeration of microaggressions has assumed primacy over such outdated, oppressive relics of the colonial era as "quality" and "aesthetics". 

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21 hours ago, s3mh said:

 

Yelp may be the worst thing to happen to the restaurant industry in recent history.  

 

 

If you ever find yourself overly confident in the wisdom of crowds, check out Tripadvisor's ranking of the top restaurants in Houston.

 

The top 10 consists of 5 steakhouses (including 2 churrascarias), a grocery store, two Peli Peli locations, and Uchi.

 

Underbelly is #39

Xochi is #172

Coltivare is #309

MF Sushi is #443

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Angostura said:

 

 

If you ever find yourself overly confident in the wisdom of crowds, check out Tripadvisor's ranking of the top restaurants in Houston.

 

The top 10 consists of 5 steakhouses (including 2 churrascarias), a grocery store, two Peli Peli locations, and Uchi.

 

Underbelly is #39

Xochi is #172

Coltivare is #309

MF Sushi is #443

 

 

 

 

Perhaps not many people have been to those places?

 

Would agree that Chama Gaucha is probably among the top places here for food and service though. I have my birthdays there and always invite clients there as well.

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