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http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/6-story-cross-and-water-wall-going-up-at-major-5373640.php

 

St. Joseph's Professional Building Downtown, that giant cross on the west side of Beltway 8 & I-45 South, these super crosses seem to be sprouting up left and right. I'm all for Christian Churches displaying the Cross, but these giant in your face ones are a bit obnoxious. Almost like the towering 6 story McDonald's signs found in rural towns along the interstate.

 

Not bashing Christianity or Religion, just the fact that they are displaying giant eye sores on the landscape. 

 

Edit: I have to say, this First Baptist is the most tasteful out of all of them.

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I hear what you're saying, but I think we should do something about all the freaking power lines all over the place, that to me (among other things of course) is a way bigger eye sore.  If this giant cross was used to hold up power lines, then I would object.

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Where are the 6 story crescents or 12 story neon light Star of Davids? I think we could use of few of these...you know...for balance. 

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Almost like the towering 6 story McDonald's signs found in rural towns along the interstate.

Would you judge me if I said I was a bit fond of them? New avatar even references them (sorta)

(Also, there is definitely a level of obnoxiousness/pretentiousness--while not a giant cross, Community of Faith off of 290 has this "boomerang" shaped cross and an extremely bright and large display screen)

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I hear what you're saying, but I think we should do something about all the freaking power lines all over the place, that to me (among other things of course) is a way bigger eye sore.  If this giant cross was used to hold up power lines, then I would object.

I do agree that Power lines are going to be Houston's 2nd biggest issue to tackle (other than the T word).

 

My issue is not that it's a cross, or a religious symbol, but just the sheer size of them. Like the Giant American Flag district (both sides of I-10 in Memorial City). Seems very rural and un-city like to me. But I guess so are the dealerships that fly them.

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^^ Good analogy.  Most Churches in this town, after all, do have all the charm and quaintness or most major frontage road auto dealerships.   

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Where are the 6 story crescents or 12 story neon light Star of Davids? I think we could use of few of these...you know...for balance. 

 

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My memory is failing me but I think there is a huge cross somewhere near Beltway 8 on the southside, near I-45. 

 

You are correct, that is Sagemont Church.

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Where are the 6 story crescents or 12 story neon light Star of Davids? I think we could use of few of these...you know...for balance. 

haha i was going to say something along those lines.. these churches/organizations would be POed if someone built a different religions symbol right next to theirs. especially if it was even bigger. heh.

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We are overdue to be Touched By His Noodly Appendage.

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Personally, I am embarrassed to see the fad of giant religious icons take hold in Houston.  I used to associate it with 3rd-world countries with low education levels.

 

I'm not knocking people for having the beliefs they have, but I think that putting stuff like this up doesn't get them the respect they apparently yearn for.

 

It seems rather childish, in the vein of "my religious icon is bigger than yours".  Is that going to make me respect them more or want to join their fold?  No.

 

 

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OTOH, seeing a giant replica of the Flying Spaghetti Monster makes me hungry!  Not enough, however, to pull into the closest Olive Garden.  I guess I'm just too much of a maverick <sigh>

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I immediately think of roadside attraction - largest pecan, giant frying pan, Muffler Men, huge cross. At least this one is a little more glitzy than the boring ol' Sagemont cross.

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No offence but the giant crosses make Houston look like a town full of over religious nuts. It makes the city seem backwards and unprogressive. When I see those giant crosses I think: unwelcoming, conservative, southern baptist, bible belt capital, etc.

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Well the good thing is it's only your perception, a false one at that.  How about all those damn billboards?  Let's do something about those.

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Giant cross, giant flag, giant billboard...shoot, even a giant Flying Spaghetti Monster (if such should happen, he boiled for our sins) - they're all advertising something or another in a giant, in your face way.

 

I miss the "OWNER HAS BRAIN DAMAGE" car lot sign on 45 that I used to have to explain to out of town visitors coming in from the airport.  At least it was fun.

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Its not just CityKid's perception.

 

Ramen.

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No offence but the giant crosses make Houston look like a town full of over religious nuts. It makes the city seem backwards and unprogressive. When I see those giant crosses I think: unwelcoming, conservative, southern baptist, bible belt capital, etc.

I thought about the unwelcoming part, like the first one seemed like a knee-jerk reaction when there were plans for a mosque near ground zero. A quick claiming of territory. Maybe I'm over analyzing it.

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I thought about the unwelcoming part, like the first one seemed like a knee-jerk reaction when there were plans for a mosque near ground zero. A quick claiming of territory. Maybe I'm over analyzing it.

Giant crosses are pretentious, obnoxious, and bring out the radical atheist in some people.

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Giant cross, giant flag, giant billboard...shoot, even a giant Flying Spaghetti Monster (if such should happen, he boiled for our sins) - they're all advertising something or another in a giant, in your face way.

 

I miss the "OWNER HAS BRAIN DAMAGE" car lot sign on 45 that I used to have to explain to out of town visitors coming in from the airport.  At least it was fun.

 

 

I miss the giant cock roach above Holders Pest Control on the Southwest Freeway! That just about summed it up to our visitors and the newly arrived. "Welcome to Houston Ya'll"

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I miss the giant cock roach above Holders Pest Control on the Southwest Freeway! That just about summed it up to our visitors and the newly arrived. "Welcome to Houston Ya'll"

 

Bubba the Neon Roach!  I loved that too.  I always thought the city should have bought it when it was taken down from Holder's and set it up in Market Square or somewhere like that.  If ever there would have been a great civic avatar, that would have been it.  All they would have to do is replace the L-D-E-R-S with U-S-T-O-N.

 

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I sure do miss Bubba The Neon Roach.

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Read the article on Bubba the Roach. That makes me sad that they destroyed the sign. Wish they had mothballed it at Sparkle Signs, where I've been seeing that old McDonald's sign every time I drive by there.

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Before Bubba the Roach, there was the giant shrimp (on Main St, I think) clutching a six-shooter in each hand.

 

The over-the-top icons in the Houston of my childhood were whimsical.  They didn't make me think of the Taliban. 

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I would much rather see banana phone, bubba the roach, the Ft. bend music piano, and tin rooster tower of terror than a giant cross.

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I'm a bit surprised that the city doesn't have some sort of ordinance blocking things like this--and not just crosses but also similarly sized things: after all, didn't the city ban roadside inflatables (car dealerships, etc.) in 2009? Seems like I remember reading about that, and they went away within months.

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Has anyone actually seen this since it's gone up? I'm not sure how they got 6 stories in the article. It doesn't look much taller than their existing three story building right behind it. It's barely noticeable - at least compared to what Sagemont put up.

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If you're at 610 and Interstate 10--which is kind of a mess right now due to the new ramps of 610 coming in and all that--it's not exactly a pristine area, and one example is that huge IKEA sign down there. There was a picture (not sure if the link still works on HAIF), but it looks east toward Interstate 10 from Memorial City in the 1960s, and it was already rather "junky" looking. Furthermore, it's known even within Christian denominations that Baptist establishments tend to be more ostentatious-looking (see: Southern Baptist University in Dallas), so it's not fair to dismiss crosses or religion in this case.

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I'm proud of the cross. God forbid we build something offers hope and peace. Nobody objects to billboards with a fetus on it promoting abortions or neon porn signs. Houston is in the bible belt. Religion is part of who southerners are historically. If you don't like the way things are done here, then you don't have to stay here. There is nothing worse than an outsider coming to MY city telling me how I should live. I think the crosses should be bigger. 

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wxman, it's MY city too.  It's a wild guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if I've lived here longer than you (not that it should matter).

 

My experience is that ads with fetus pictures tend to be on the anti abortion side.  

 

I'll make you a deal.  I won't try to tell you how to live; all I ask in return is that you grant me the same courtesy.

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Kind of ironic to talk about crosses on Good Friday.

 

I don't have a problem with the giant crosses. The cross means different things to people. I prefer to see it as symbolic of the intersection of our spiritual (vertical, reaching up to Heaven) nature and our human (horizontal) nature. I believe we are spiritual beings and the cross can help remind us that we can live our best life by applying spiritual principles. 

 

But of course the cross is also an instrument of torture and capital punishment, so I guess it's good that we don't see giant electric chairs or hypodermic needles alongside the freeway.

 

 

 

 

 

   

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But of course the cross is also an instrument of torture and capital punishment...

 

and that instrument is now the symbol of hope...

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I'm proud of the cross. God forbid we build something offers hope and peace. Nobody objects to billboards with a fetus on it promoting abortions or neon porn signs. Houston is in the bible belt. Religion is part of who southerners are historically. If you don't like the way things are done here, then you don't have to stay here. There is nothing worse than an outsider coming to MY city telling me how I should live. I think the crosses should be bigger. 

The problem is it doesn't offer hope and peace to all.

 

Personally I don't like the perception. If I felt that Houston was any way in the Bible Belt I wouldn't live here. We have a lot of everything here, and I am all for freedom of religion and speech so I'm not going to go petition against a cross or anything. especially for a religiously affiliated hospital or church. though I do get annoyed by the half torn down building with a huge sign that says "is jesus your lord?" with words partially fallen off too (gulf freeway northbound between 8 and 610). that's just an eyesore...

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When it's thrusted at you repeatedly & often by so called "Christians" telling you that your going to burn in hell because god hates you, makes them neither a symbol of hope or comfort. Knowing that they are from extreme fringes, is the only comfort. But, it can be frightening. Sorry, but that is almost always the very first memory and impression that I get when I see a cross. Perhaps if more main stream churches changed their tune and made them more welcoming to all, without treating me like I was deseased, or second class or just deserving of pity, then I'm sure I would have a different impression.

Is there hope for this?

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When it's thrusted at you repeatedly & often by so called "Christians" telling you that your going to burn in hell because god hates you, makes them neither a symbol of hope or comfort. Knowing that they are from extreme fringes, is the only comfort. But, it can be frightening. Sorry, but that is almost always the very first memory and impression that I get when I see a cross. Perhaps if more main stream churches changed their tune and made them more welcoming to all, without treating me like I was deseased, or second class or just deserving of pity, then I'm sure I would have a different impression.

Is there hope for this?

Don't get Westboro confused with real Christianity. If you take a look at where it is on Google Earth, you'll find a large house (frat house sized) with a pool, basketball court, and no parking. (this far suggests "cult" or at least "someone claiming to be a church to avoid taxes")

On the contrary, many real Christian churches preach that God loves everybody, even though you're a sinner (as we are all).

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On the contrary, many real Christian churches preach that God loves everybody, even though you're a sinner.

 

Which is fortunate for their parishioners, since that describes pretty much all of humanity.  As a side note, many non Christian (and for that matter, non Abrahamic*) faiths also subscribe to a higher being with all encompassing love and understanding.

 

 

*As a friend describes it, Judaism = 1.x, Christianity = 2.x, Islam = 3.x, since all three go back to the same original scriptures and worship the same deity.

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IronTiger I understand that Westboro is what it is, like I mentioned. Fringe. It's just that how I'm a sinner is always brought up while everyone else's sins are just excused as in "but we all sin". It is as if my sin is somehow way worse that it needs to be separated.

There are many, smaller churches in Houston, and elsewhere, that are very welcoming and inclusive. But these churches are not building giant crosses to draw people to them and attention to themselves. Does anyone in this forum believe that any of the organizations building these crosses along the frontage roads, in our suburbs, invite my longtime partner and I to participate and the same levels and in the same ways that straight/married members of the church would? ...Without first calling specific attention to my special sin? And...if they did, would not half of the people sitting in the pews get up and leave?

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IronTiger I understand that Westboro is what it is, like I mentioned. Fringe. It's just that how I'm a sinner is always brought up while everyone else's sins are just excused as in "but we all sin". It is as if my sin is somehow way worse that it needs to be separated.

There are many, smaller churches in Houston, and elsewhere, that are very welcoming and inclusive. But these churches are not building giant crosses to draw people to them and attention to themselves. Does anyone in this forum believe that any of the organizations building these crosses along the frontage roads, in our suburbs, invite my longtime partner and I to participate and the same levels and in the same ways that straight/married members of the church would? ...Without first calling specific attention to my special sin? And...if they did, would not half of the people sitting in the pews get up and leave?

You actually bring up a very interesting point and one of the problems in churches today.

The first is that no church should ever shame someone for their sin (we are not in the Middle Ages, and I wouldn't like a church that does that either). A church should focus on forgiveness, not condemnation.

The second thing is that it's always difficult for anyone to be told that what they are doing is wrong, whether it's true or not.

The third thing is that many churches choose to gloss over less comfortable topics (this covers a wide range of things) and only focus on the "Jesus loves you" type sermons. This is unfortunate because it causes many to miss the point. Many churches choose to be more "inclusive" simply to avoid controversy.

The fourth thing is that in the issue of homosexuality, there are two opposing forces at work: one side that sees it as some kind of "special sin" and one kind that doesn't have an issue with it at all. Sadly, the largest churches tend to be one kind or the other.

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*As a friend describes it, Judaism = 1.x, Christianity = 2.x, Islam = 3.x, since all three go back to the same original scriptures and worship the same deity.

Not entirely, Islam's view of who Allah is is rather different (Allah doesn't love unconditionally unlike the Jewish/Christian God Yahweh, won't necessarily fulfill a covenant, and a few other significant differences), and it diverges at the point of Isaac and Ishmael (who is God's chosen lineage? It depends on if it's Islam or Judaism/Christianity). Christianity diverges from Judaism regarding Jesus, the Messiah.

In Christianity, Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, and also God Himself through a concept called the Trinity, which involves three persons and one God somehow (it's complicated). Jesus died on the Cross to pay for humanity's sin (Good Friday, today) and rose from the Cross three days later (Easter). The Second Coming is when Jesus returns to Earth not to forgive (as the First Coming was) but to judge.

In Judaism, Jesus is not the Messiah and simply a man, as Jesus was underwhelming and not who they expected, and Easter, the Trinity, and the entire New Testament isn't the Word.

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Thank you Tiger. I very much appreciate your points and making them eloquently rather than preaching and turning up the heat. And, I agree. It's mostly is an issue with the churches. Not god 's will.

Happy Good Friday.

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.... Nobody objects to billboards with a fetus on it promoting abortions....

 

Where on earth did you see this? If these billboards did exist I can assure you they would be objected to. 

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Not entirely...

 

Well, yeah.  The 1.x, 2.x, 3.x is obviously a gross oversimplification, the point being that all three go back to Abraham.  

 

And for what it's worth, poke around enough in the Torah/Old Testament, and in parts of the New Testament, and you'll find more than a couple of instances of Yahweh not exactly being all warm and cuddly, either.

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Well, yeah.  The 1.x, 2.x, 3.x is obviously a gross oversimplification, the point being that all three go back to Abraham.  

 

And for what it's worth, poke around enough in the Torah/Old Testament, and in parts of the New Testament, and you'll find more than a couple of instances of Yahweh not exactly being all warm and cuddly, either.

Yes, what has been referred to as the "Old Testament God" can seem very extreme for the time and is difficult to see through a modern point of view, and reading the Old Testament can be rather confusing at times.

(As an aside, at what point is talking about mass transit more of a hot topic filled with rage, half-truths, obtuse examples, and numbers, while religion is far less of an issue? Such is the mysteries of HAIF)

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Surprising refreshing in this room, I have to say. I don't even open the door of the "trains" room anymore.

Or "The Heights". Lol.

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