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Thanks for filling in the lacking details. That does sound a quite a bit more comprehensive. I do think that keeping the ticketing levels in the central corridor makes the most sense. I think that putting Terminal D on the north side was a mistake and IAH has been struggling with that decision ever since. Terminal D never even seemed as though it was part of the same airport. 

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19 hours ago, wxman said:

What’s the latest on this redevelopment? Is there a timeline to break ground?

 

There was a presentation to a council committee last month.  Apparently, the first step is, again, the demolition of old C North. The timing indication was that the old C North demolition might be underway next year this time. I believe some of the enabling projects are already underway?

 

The other interesting item from the presentation was that Terminal A is "bursting at the seams", with multiple airlines wanting additional gates in the terminal. One airline wants 6 gates; United has asked for 4 gates; 2 other airlines want at least 2 gates.

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On 10/22/2018 at 0:01 PM, Houston19514 said:

 

There was a presentation to a council committee last month.  Apparently, the first step is, again, the demolition of old C North. The timing indication was that the old C North demolition might be underway next year this time. I believe some of the enabling projects are already underway?

 

The other interesting item from the presentation was that Terminal A is "bursting at the seams", with multiple airlines wanting additional gates in the terminal. One airline wants 6 gates; United has asked for 4 gates; 2 other airlines want at least 2 gates.

 

United can F right off. They are only using the gates in A to block growth of other airlines. They don't even offer baggage claim or check-in services in A! 

 

 

 

 

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Because they are hoarding gates in terminal A in order to keep other airlines out. Theres no room in A for any other airline to expand services. It's likely why we don't see American serve JFk or Delta service to LAX or SEA. 

 

United doesn't need space in A. They just want space in A to stifle competition. 

 

And sure, technically it's AA's fault that there were weather delays causing chaos yesterday but if they had more gates, it wouldn't have been an issue. It's not that complicated.

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Because they are hoarding gates in terminal A in order to keep other airlines out. Theres no room in A for any other airline to expand services. It's likely why we don't see American serve JFk or Delta service to LAX or SEA. 

 

United doesn't need space in A. They just want space in A to stifle competition. 

 

And sure, technically it's AA's fault that there were weather delays causing chaos yesterday but if they had more gates, it wouldn't have been an issue. It's not that complicated.

 

Do you have a source for that information?  It seems highly likely that if there was any such case to be made, American (and other airlines) would be aggressively making it. (Airport lease terms and federal regulations address these sorts of things.)

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Go stand in the parking garage that overlooks terminal A from the roof. Watch and see how often United actually utilizes Terminal A for operations. They're squatting. The last thing United wants is for Spirit, American, and Delta (the likely airlines wanting more space) to have larger operations at IAH. A 6 gate expansion for say, Spirit, would mean a potential tripling of service beyond the major markets they already serve (FLL, LAX, LAS, GUA, SAP, SAL, SJD, DEN, ORD, MSY, ATL, BWI, etc...). Even a two gate expansion for an airline like Delta could mean a third carrier on a route to SEA, a fourth to LAX,  and opening operations to their growing hub at JFK. 

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23 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

Do you have a source for that information?  It seems highly likely that if there was any such case to be made, American (and other airlines) would be aggressively making it. (Airport lease terms and federal regulations address these sorts of things.)

 

Houston Airport Systems knows who butters their bread at IAH. 

 

And I believe that UA has a long-term lease on their "three" A gates because they paid for the extension of A3 into 8 sub-gates. 

Although I do think that the smaller gates are only usable by regional jets.

 

And as I mentioned before, United has so few flights at A, that instead of operating a check-in counter, they instruct passengers to take the train to terminal B and check-in their luggage there. Same thing with retrieving luggage on arrivals. You should see how upset some of those customers are. 

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54 minutes ago, KinkaidAlum said:

Go stand in the parking garage that overlooks terminal A from the roof. Watch and see how often United actually utilizes Terminal A for operations. They're squatting. The last thing United wants is for Spirit, American, and Delta (the likely airlines wanting more space) to have larger operations at IAH. A 6 gate expansion for say, Spirit, would mean a potential tripling of service beyond the major markets they already serve (FLL, LAX, LAS, GUA, SAP, SAL, SJD, DEN, ORD, MSY, ATL, BWI, etc...). Even a two gate expansion for an airline like Delta could mean a third carrier on a route to SEA, a fourth to LAX,  and opening operations to their growing hub at JFK. 

 

I personally don't think that DL would be knocking down doors to add competing service on heavily-trafficked routes, but they might. 

Then again, DL is moving IAH-LGA to all Airbus 220 service, which should be quite interesting as it offers quite a bit better experience than the normal A320/737 does (in economy).

 

I'm a big fan of Spirit, and I could see them growing IAH to something like DTW (with a maintenance and pilot base even!) but they've seem to hit a bit of a wall and I don't know where else makes sense for them. MCI didn't work out and I doubt that they would launch intra-Texas service. Maybe Colombia service? SFO/OAK? I don't know!

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A lot to process there.  But, really interesting.  One observation is that with a large Processor at Terminal A (TSA security check point), it seems as though the Processor at Terminal B would be eliminated. Connectors from Terminal A would be constructed to B-North and B-South.  Thanks, Yaga!

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On 11/13/2018 at 9:52 AM, Naviguessor said:

A lot to process there.  But, really interesting.  One observation is that with a large Processor at Terminal A (TSA security check point), it seems as though the Processor at Terminal B would be eliminated. Connectors from Terminal A would be constructed to B-North and B-South.  Thanks, Yaga!

 

I can't imagine that happening. 

 

Even if Terminal A were expanded a bit, I think that the current checkpoints that they have would be acceptable, they would just need to be fully utilized. I can't remember ever seeing all lanes open (especially south) 

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Anybody see the piece KPRC had on last night about the new international terminal? Sounds like Diaz is in hot water with the Mayor. So far $84 million has been spent on the project and there's almost nothing to show for it. When the project was announced back in 2014, the terminal was to cost $700-$900 million. Then it went to $1.2 billion and then ballooned to $1.7 billion. The mayor says the costs have since been brought back down to $1.2 billion but there's still almost nothing to show for the money spent so far. They can't even decide on a design from the architects. Finally, the big body gates, including ones able to handle the A380, have been scaled back from 15 to 13. 

 

Those are some of the highlights but it was a good story. Part 2 of it will air tonight.

 

https://www.click2houston.com/news/after-4-years-renovation-project-is-over-budget-with-nothing-built-at-iah

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34 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

Does anyone know how many daily passengers are projected to use the new international terminal?

 

 

I don't think I've ever seen that particular projection.  The IAH Master Plan 2035 forecast says 13.55 million international enplanements (so presumably about 27 Million total international). Of course that includes United, which, at least currently, uses Terminal E for its international arrivals.

 

In the most recent Fiscal Year, Terminal D handled about 2.8 Million international passengers (out of about 10.4 Million total international passengers).  If we assume the same percentage (27%) of international traffic being handled by the new Terminal D, that would be about 7.3 Million annually using the new Terminal D . . .  20,000 per day?

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On 1/23/2019 at 3:23 PM, Houston19514 said:

 

I don't think I've ever seen that particular projection.  The IAH Master Plan 2035 forecast says 13.55 million international enplanements (so presumably about 27 Million total international). Of course that includes United, which, at least currently, uses Terminal E for its international arrivals.

 

In the most recent Fiscal Year, Terminal D handled about 2.8 Million international passengers (out of about 10.4 Million total international passengers).  If we assume the same percentage (27%) of international traffic being handled by the new Terminal D, that would be about 7.3 Million annually using the new Terminal D . . .  20,000 per day?

 

I think the better question is why do you ask? Building a new terminal is not going to increase demand overnight. Are you asking for the new Terminal D’s design capacity?

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On 11/6/2018 at 12:16 PM, Houston19514 said:

 

Do you have a source for that information?  It seems highly likely that if there was any such case to be made, American (and other airlines) would be aggressively making it. (Airport lease terms and federal regulations address these sorts of things.)

 

Go to 

 

https://www.fly2houston.com/newsroom/media-kit/traffic-and-statistics/

 

Divide AA’s passenger traffic on A by the number of gates they lease (I think 5, but maybe 6). Do the same with UA and the gates they lease (4, I believe ... you don’t have to include the A icehouse). Granted, utilization has gone up with the rebanking of schedules, but all of the real capacity on Terminal A is on the UA gates for how they’re utilized at least ... everyone of those gates can accommodate a standard narrow body aircraft (A320/737) with twice the passenger capacity of the aircraft they’re currently accommodating. The terminal itself is very imbalanced between the south and north side because of UA’s underutilization and DL’s much lower gauge. The AA gates are pretty intensively utilized and you can be guaranteed they’d lease 2 more gates if it were a real option and didn’t require splitting their operation ... and most importantly the simple fact that AA, DL, and UA don’t pick fights at each other’s hubs since the last round of mergers for very salient reasons. (If you are really concerned about utilization, calculate the same ratio for Spirit and say with a straight face that UA isn’t squatting on gates. That said, it’s nothing new and is the case at any major connecting hub as the marginal cost of leasing the gates is de minimis compared with the revenue implications of allowing a competitor to build a real foothold.)

 

The federal regulations you refer to are absolutely toothless, although maybe there will be some real challenges in the industry soon thanks to Spirit, Frontier, and JetBlue. It’s a long time overdue. Airport lease terms? Well I suggest you read the HAS leases and tell me exactly what you’re getting at there.

 

You’re also wrong about the A icehouse, that was completely done by CO and was a long-term exclusive lease. Certainly not at the request of HAS. If it was packaged with leases on other gates that was purely for disingenuous optics (but if so Exhibit A that they worked). Not sure the lease is exclusive anymore as I know AA has used it regularly enough before for the early morning LAX flight (but I don’t think they do anymore). That said AA could very well have paid UA and not HAS directly for access to that gate. 

 

The B and C leases are a different matter. But UA is paying full freight for those facilities as well, which is more than you can say for the hub airline at many other large connecting hubs. 

 

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16 hours ago, wxman said:

They mention that they want to attract new airlines and destinations. Anybody have any idea which destinations or airlines are at the top of the list?

 

Some of the more recent rumors include Air India to Delhi, TAP to Lisbon, and China Eastern (I think?) to Shanghai. I would imagine at some point in the future we would get Seoul service again from one of the Korean airlines, and maybe one of the other European Star Alliance partners like Austrian Airlines to Vienna, Swiss to Zurich, or Brussels Airlines to... Brussels.

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That Marriott still has a good design imo, but I would love to see it re-clad in glass with some sleek led lights. Is terminal D's upgrade/new construction a done deal? As in is the whole entire project approved and moving forward (terminal C and D margining into one)? Also, is it likely that we'll be losing some international destinations? I was excited with our strong economy and United's investment into a new baggage handling terminal that'd we'd be seeing some historic growth. Now I don't know. 

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Anybody have any updates on the terminal? Have they completed the Terminal C north demo? I know it seems dramatic but I wonder if IAH will ever return to the air traffic we once had. If so, it'll be years I bet. Are we in danger of losing any foreign flags over this pandemic?

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14 minutes ago, wxman said:

Anybody have any updates on the terminal? Have they completed the Terminal C north demo? I know it seems dramatic but I wonder if IAH will ever return to the air traffic we once had. If so, it'll be years I bet. Are we in danger of losing any foreign flags over this pandemic?

 

(1)  Probably so, but as with most of Houston, the airport system is not the best at publicity, so can't be sure  (2) Yes,  it could be quite some time before IAH (or any other airport) returns to the traffic we recently had.   (3) No doubt we are in danger of losing one or more foreign flags, as is most every airport that has foreign flags.

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4 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

I can now confirm they have completed the demolition of old Terminal C North.   See photos in the attached, along with a bunch of new renderings of the upcoming replacement concourse and new terminal facilities.

 

http://www.houstontx.gov/council/committees/econdev/20200617/ITRP.pdf

Wow, well, the new renderings are nice and it'll be a major upgrade over what we have now. Too bad the entire thing won't be needed for quite sometime. 

 

While I think the new renderings are nice and clean, I still think our airport (as well as most airports in the US) lack a 'wow' factor like DXB, SIN, ICN, PEK or SZX. I wish our cities, airports and railways were the envy of the world the way we were in the 50s and 60s. Oh wellz

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On 7/15/2020 at 3:21 PM, wxman said:

Wow, well, the new renderings are nice and it'll be a major upgrade over what we have now. Too bad the entire thing won't be needed for quite sometime. 

 

While I think the new renderings are nice and clean, I still think our airport (as well as most airports in the US) lack a 'wow' factor like DXB, SIN, ICN, PEK or SZX. I wish our cities, airports and railways were the envy of the world the way we were in the 50s and 60s. Oh wellz

 

City budgets vs national budgets make the difference there. 

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36 minutes ago, WshfulThnkn said:

Does anyone have an update on this project.  Thanks!

 

Nothing real precise, but it is definitely ongoing and apparently moving along nicely.  I saw a comment by one airport official at a city council committee meeting that suggested the whole project is moving along ahead of schedule.  I think they are able to get some things does a little faster because of the reduced activity at the airport due to COVID.  My understanding is that we should start seeing visible construction activity before the end of the year.

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On 11/1/2018 at 3:54 PM, wilcal said:

 

United can F right off. They are only using the gates in A to block growth of other airlines. They don't even offer baggage claim or check-in services in A! 

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/5/2018 at 9:57 PM, KinkaidAlum said:

Landed at IAH on American from LAX. We had to wait for 25 minutes because the AA gates were full.

 

I agree, F-OFF, United. 

 

 

Hey guys, how is Southwest going to provide service to IAH when United is blocking growth of other airlines and keeping American from getting its planes to the terminal?

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10 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

 

 

Hey guys, how is Southwest going to provide service to IAH when United is blocking growth of other airlines and keeping American from getting its planes to the terminal?

They will probably fly into Terminal A like the other Non-United airlines- you know, the GOOD airlines.

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5 hours ago, Tumbleweed_Tx said:

They will probably fly into Terminal A like the other Non-United airlines- you know, the GOOD airlines.


i know they will fly into terminal A.  But we have been told that American and others have trouble finding a gate to dock their planes at Terminal A because United is squatting on the gates and blocking growth of the other airlines. If American and Alaska can’t figure out how to work around United’s alleged blockade, how is Southwest going to do it?

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Because it isn't 2018. Because the entire industry has shrunk by over half. Because travel isn't predicted to return to normal until the end of 2021 and that's if there's a vaccine. 

 

Southwest's answer is to try and stimulate O&D in existing markets by serving alternative airports (IAH and ORD) and expanding service to the few vacation destinations Americans can travel to (PSP, MIA, and Mexico). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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