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Southwest is going to operate out of Gate A3 at Bush Intercontinental.  They will have 3  aircraft parking positions at the Gate.

Looks like groundbreaking is tomorrow:   https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/IAH-to-break-ground-on-expanded-international-14542242.php

outside of this being grossly unrealistic (where's the mass of people huddled around 2 or 3 power outlets charging their cell phones?)...   The lady in the middle of the illustration that is the foc

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That is an amazingly lengthy timeline!  6 years!  7 total to completion from today!

 

I'm always amazed at airport planning.  The overall masterplans are quite in keeping with forecasted growth, the individual projects that make it to fruition are not.  So this terminal will basically be large enough to handle the current capacity when its done in 7 years!  Not to mention the fact there may be additional carriers working out of IAH at that time (adding need for additional capacity).

 

But like someone else pointed out, I'll let Mario who runs the show (and his team) work on the logistics/costs/projections and just assume they must know what they are doing.

 

The timeline is a preliminary estimate made by the airport system.  They discuss that it may well (hopefully) be less than that.

 

Where do you get the idea this leaves them with only the capacity they need currently? 

 

It bears emphasizing that this plan is for 15 wide-body gates, including 4 A-380 gates.  There appears to be room for 30 narrow-body gates in the new Terminal D.

 

I recommend watching the videos.

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My usual time spent on this website is during work...  Therefore I don't really have the time to watch the videos (sorry).

 

My assumption that "...the design will only meet current capacity needs..."  is based on my observations of different building types in my years working in the design/construction industry.  Routine is to build JUST what you need for the immediate future (like next years needs - or maybe very forward thinking projects will build for 2-3 years down the road).  Very rare is the project that includes extra space to be utilized (assuming current growth 10 years later).  Granted that's the easiest way to get the money for construction, though given that airports can grow so quickly it seems foolish to not just build a 20 or so gate Int'l terminal now - if the extra gates aren't used immediately by large trans-Pacific/Atlantic capable planes - then smaller airliners can dock there in the interim.

 

So in a nutshell:  Does a new Int'l Terminal make sense at IAH?  Yes.  Should the plans be flexible enough that additional space can be built out as the project nears milestones?  Yes.  Will the project likely be designed like that?  Probably not.  When completed will said terminal actually be plenty big for additional growth and allow the users (airlines) a chance to spread additional flights to said terminal? Probably not.  So, what will happen?  Well, we will revisit the need for a new terminal after a few years of heavy use and/or addition onto terminal that should have been budgeted/built in the first place.

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I remember jetBlue started flights from EWR to Florida for $54 each way.  At that time Continental Airlines match it and added more flights.  Almost every Premier member got their FREE upgrades.  Continental had 15 non stops to FLL.  After one year jetBlue pulled out and consertrated on JFK.  jetBlue also did $15 one way tickets from JFK to BOS it only lasted a few months.  United does not seem WN is a major problem.  They only will have 5 gates.  American Airlines is the largest carrier to Latin America and they do not want to give them a share of the pie.  Each airlines looks at PRASM, person, revenue, available, per mile.  How much did that customer spent on their seat and how much the airlines spent.  

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Think about it at United for a non premier.  They paid $25 for bags,  Then $7 for a hamburger, They paid $25 to check in at the Premier line, then watched Direct TV for $6.  That is  one way and duty free.  Southwest will loose money without any amenities.  Customer in Latin America want fist class.  We will see how it works.  AirTran to Latin America has so many complaints because they suck.  You get what you pay for. 

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Think about it at United for a non premier. They paid $25 for bags, Then $7 for a hamburger, They paid $25 to check in at the Premier line, then watched Direct TV for $6. That is one way and duty free. Southwest will loose money without any amenities. Customer in Latin America want fist class. We will see how it works. AirTran to Latin America has so many complaints because they suck. You get what you pay for.

They will not lose money. And yes, united is scared to death of them flying to Latin America/Caribbean/Mexico

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The way it works in the industry is people want to pay the lowest fares.

 

United IS doing buy on board to Colombia and Ecuador now. This will make Southwest more attractive.

 

Think about it at United for a non premier.  They paid $25 for bags,  Then $7 for a hamburger, They paid $25 to check in at the Premier line, then watched Direct TV for $6.  That is  one way and duty free.  Southwest will loose money without any amenities.  Customer in Latin America want fist class.  We will see how it works.  AirTran to Latin America has so many complaints because they suck.  You get what you pay for. 

 

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But the idea that Southwest - which is the largest airlines working ONLY in the US - isn't a threat to United/AA/Delta is not accurate.  Southwest, while lacking the "prestige" of having Auckland, Tokyo, Munich etc as destenations has carved out a loyal following and besides that is often the cheapest airlines.  They may not fly 787s/777s/767s/A380s/A350s but they don't need to for the service and destinations they serve.

 

And lets face it - unless you fly first class or business class int'l you aren't really flying comfortably anyway - no matter the airlines.  I'm tall and airliners are jokingly uncomfortable.  The food sucks.  The drinks are well... nothing special.  The one item that I don't like about Southwest is the lack of being able to purchase a seat assignment from the get-go.  That's annoying.  Last time I flew I bought the tickets months in advance (3 to be exact) as I knew I was going no matter what - despite having those tickets well in advance of probably 60-70% of the other passengers I still missed checking in and getting a reasonable seat.

 

Lets face it - this is Not about Southwest or United (per say) but about the new terminal D and additional int'l airlines flying to-from Houston.

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I am SO glad to hear that the plan includes "Modern, adequate - sized restrooms."

 

Though I guess living up to stereotypes would involve oil dispensers or some such.

 

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http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/Airport-presents-big-plans-for-Bush-5427751.php#/0

 

According to this United plans on using this terminal too.

""This is our vision for the future," system director Mario Diaz said Thursday in an address to the city council committee. He was accompanied by United Airlines officials who said they have a stake in replacing the aging Terminal D and are willing to help make it happen."

  1. "United will fund the Terminal B north project. That new terminal will allow the airline to move its Terminal C operations to that gate while the construction is underway at Terminal D. United, which already runs international flights through Terminal E, plans to be a major user of the new Terminal D once it's completed."
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It is not dry at all. Their Humidity is WORSE than ours. I couldn't wear my glasses because they would fog up all the time.

 

Uh... ?  Maybe during some parts of the year they have days where it is more humid.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Dubai

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Houston

 

So the average humidity of Dubai is 59%

Average humidity in Houston is 73%

http://www.usa.com/houston-tx-weather.htm

 

I'll give you that yes, places that are typically dry can have humid days, and places that are wet can have dry days.

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Houston (June 19, 2014) - Houston City Council members unanimously approved a funding and phasing plan that lays out the path for a new international terminal building at George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH). The new facility would replace the existing Mickey Leland International Terminal Building (Terminal D) and would be constructed in the same location as the existing structure.

“Houston is firmly established as a key player on the global market stage and we need an international terminal building that adequately reflects that standing,” says Houston Mayor Annise Parker. “International travel is vital to both our economic health and our quality of life. We’ve been remarkably successful in attracting new international air service to Houston and now it’s time to address the infrastructure needs at George Bush Intercontinental Airport.”

The memorandum of agreement (MOA) passed by Houston City Council members on June 18, 2014 accomplishes two key goals in the drive to move forward with a new Terminal D. The MOA secures support from United Airlines in working through the logistical phasing issues inherent with a project of this scope and size, and it also enhances an existing funding mechanism used by the Houston Airport System (HAS) in securing the necessary dollars for infrastructure improvement projects.

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3921916/0/83280/

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Great news which means United can start construction on the north side of Terminal B for mainline flights.  I believe 20 more gates that connect to Terminal C.  On the website when they tear down Terminal D the International carriers will use the north side of Terminal C.  Star Alliance carriers can use Terminal E also with better connections.

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According to HAS spokesman speaking at February 17 IAH Master Planning meeting, United will start work next month on the new Terminal C North concourse (in between the current C North and current B North).   This is the first step in the plan for redevelopment of Terminal D.

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According to HAS spokesman speaking at February 17 IAH Master Planning meeting, United will start work next month on the new Terminal C North concourse (in between the current C North and current B North).   This is the first step in the plan for redevelopment of Terminal D.

 

Here is the link to the presentation for the meeting:

http://system.gocampaign.com/netisd_org/images/imagelibrary/620/74/9096/532533-IAH%20Public%20Meeting%20Feb%202015%20FINAL_R.pdf

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Wow, IAH is going to be a gigantic airport beyond 2035 with the addition of 2 runways as well as a significantly larger terminals A, B, C, D and possibly E. That said, will Houston ever be a two-hub city like LAX or ORD? I would love to see Delta move in but the proximity to ATL, I doubt that would ever happen.

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Wow, IAH is going to be a gigantic airport beyond 2035 with the addition of 2 runways as well as a significantly larger terminals A, B, C, D and possibly E. That said, will Houston ever be a two-hub city like LAX or ORD? I would love to see Delta move in but the proximity to ATL, I doubt that would ever happen.

 

Houston will never be a two hub city with its proximity to Dallas. As Texas grows and with the prospect of a Dallas to Houston bullet train, the economies of the two will become more and more intertwined. Eventually the two airports will have to be connected by high speed trains that could be incorporated w/ flights. 

 

Houston is already (well is about to be) a one and a half hub city in that SWA is going to fly internationally out of Hobby. That will funnel SWA flyers through Houston on to international destinations. It's as close to a traditional hub set-up within SWA's no hub framework.

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It looks like HAS has abandoned the parallel concourse model (a la Atlanta and Denver) from the old master plan in favor of two mega north and south concourses. I think this is far more practicable and should permit continued growth at IAH.

 

I actually disagree. I think the parallel model is far better. It's way more efficient, and allows for better flow of traffic, better subdivision of concourses, airlines, and destinations, and is better understood by those who will use the airport. Probably the most model of this I have seen is in London Heathrow. They are on a massive master plan that is converting the majority of the airport to this model.

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It looks like HAS has abandoned the parallel concourse model (a la Atlanta and Denver) from the old master plan in favor of two mega north and south concourses. I think this is far more practicable and should permit continued growth at IAH.

 

Do you have a press release or any links that we can read further?

 

I also think the parallel layout is far more efficient than what IAH has now. And whoever thought it was a good idea to put the plane-train people mover thingy up above was not thinking clearly. I've rarely seen that thing half full and it's difficult to access. For giggles one day I decided to ride it from terminal A to D. I never made it. I couldn't even find that damn thing. I think they should have just renovated the train downstairs. I think most people expect the train to be down below anyway like it is at most airports (Atlanta, Denver, ect)

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Looks like perhaps a new rendering of Terminal D? Also, I wonder if they see more foreign flag carriers on the horizon? Perhaps a direct flight to Johannesburg?

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/Airport-chief-sees-Houston-growing-as-6153583.php?cmpid=btfpm

 

March 24--Houston's thriving immigrant community and diverse economy will help the city's airports continue to expand despite an oil slump that may temper the boom in business travel, Houston Airport System Director Mario Diaz told business leaders Monday.

Delivering the annual State of the Airports address, Diaz said he remains confident the airport system's unprecedented growth over the last two years would continue, with Bush Intercontinental, Hobby and Ellington airports all poised for major changes.

"Houston is without a doubt the most diverse city in the nation, and the Houston Airport System has made that possible," Diaz told a crowd at the Royal Sonesta. "We will continue to connect Houston to the rest of the world."

Houston's airports set a record in 2014 with more than 53 million passengers passing through. Internationally, 9.8 million travelers went through Bush, double the rate in 2000. Last year alone, travel to Asia and Africa increased 55 percent, and travel to Europe increased 10 percent.

This is in large part thanks to a string of new international nonstop flights added at the airport, including six new markets last year.

Among the flights added are a nonstop Korean Air flight to the Seoul area, and Scandinavian Airlines nonstop to Stavanger, Norway.

"Right now, the city of Houston is within reach of a very unique and very powerful opportunity," Diaz said. "Houston is poised to become a key global gateway destination, with international passengers flowing through Houston on their way throughout the Americas and to various destinations in the U.S."

The airport has consistently touted Houston's powerful economy when attracting new carriers. Diaz said even with a tumble in oil prices, he expects to attract more flights. He noted the large number of immigrants in the Houston area, and the health of the medical, aerospace and petrochemical industries locally.

"People ask me, why is it so easy for me to find airlines?" Diaz said. "What they want to hear is how powerful is the economy, how many passengers can you generate, what quality passenger?"

He said a drop in oil prices could dampen demand for first class and business class travelers. But, he added, passengers looking to visit family in other countries could find lower prices for coach seats, thanks to added competition.

The next area he would like to add is nonstop flights is Africa, Diaz said.

International flights are expected to continue growing.

Hobby will open a $156 million, five-gate international terminal in October. Southwest Airlines, which is primarily funding the project, will add several flights to Latin America. The airport will have a 3,000-space parking garage to accommodate the1 million passengers expected to be added annually.

Bush will have a new Terminal D by 2020. The City Council approved the funding and phasing plan for the terminal project in June. Construction is slated to begin in 2017. Diaz said one hurdle to Houston's role as an international player is the aging terminal at Bush for international passengers.

The airport system also completed its Federal Aviation Administration application for Ellington to become a commercial spaceport.

Diaz also touted the free WiFi service now available at all terminals at Bush and Hobby, automated kiosks to expedite the process for international travelers, and the NextGen federal project that the airport adopted to improve on-time arrivals.

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Some new international routes I am dreamin, though not all even slightly possible:

Air New Zealand: Auckland

Iberia: Madrid

South African Airways: Johannesburg

Etihad: Abu Dhabi

Cathy Pacific: Hong Kong

China Estern: Shanghai

According to United's strategy in Houston, I doubt they will add any new long haul routes like these. The question is does Terminal D has the capacity to handle more international carriers?

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I was watching the State of the Airport speech address today on fly2houston.com and Mr. Diaz mentioned that demolition of Terminal D wouldn't even begin until 2016 and be finished "hopefully" by 2020. Am I missing something here? 4 or 5 years to build one terminal? You can build a 100 story highrise in less time. Why so long for a simple terminal building? 

 

I really hope this terminal is as modern and 'Texas' as they make it out to be. What we have now is an embarrassment to the city and the state---especially compared to DFW and Atlanta.

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I was watching the State of the Airport speech address today on fly2houston.com and Mr. Diaz mentioned that demolition of Terminal D wouldn't even begin until 2016 and be finished "hopefully" by 2020. Am I missing something here? 4 or 5 years to build one terminal? You can build a 100 story highrise in less time. Why so long for a simple terminal building?

I really hope this terminal is as modern and 'Texas' as they make it out to be. What we have now is an embarrassment to the city and the state---especially compared to DFW and Atlanta.

That is because we don't have enough money to build a new airport or build a new terminal in another place (which we should do). When you need more space for international flight but not enough fund, you have to do the renovation, which will last longer time. Again, the footprint design of IAH is really bad.

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I really hope this terminal is as modern and 'Texas' as they make it out to be. What we have now is an embarrassment to the city and the state---especially compared to DFW and Atlanta.

 

I'm pretty sure they'll make it 'Texasy' by slapping star motifs everywhere,

 

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That is because we don't have enough money to build a new airport or build a new terminal in another place (which we should do). When you need more space for international flight but not enough fund, you have to do the renovation, which will last longer time. Again, the footprint design of IAH is really bad.

 

 

--There is no reason to even think of building a new airport.

--They considered building a new International Terminal completely separate from the current terminal complex but most of the airlines hated the idea.  The idea was not dismissed because of a lack of money.

--We are not doing a renovation of Terminal D.  The new Terminal D will be an entirely new building. The existing Terminal D will be completely demolished.

--There is really nothing at all wrong with the footprint design of IAH.

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I was watching the State of the Airport speech address today on fly2houston.com and Mr. Diaz mentioned that demolition of Terminal D wouldn't even begin until 2016 and be finished "hopefully" by 2020. Am I missing something here? 4 or 5 years to build one terminal? You can build a 100 story highrise in less time. Why so long for a simple terminal building? 

 

I really hope this terminal is as modern and 'Texas' as they make it out to be. What we have now is an embarrassment to the city and the state---especially compared to DFW and Atlanta.

 

We are not talking about a simple terminal building.  It is a very complicated project with multiple phases because they are replacing current terminal structures with new structures while fully operating the current structures. 

 

Also, I believe the serious building construction cannot even start until 2017'ish because step 1 is for United to build their new Terminal C/B North concourse.  When United has their new concourse built they will vacate Gates C14-23 (they are required to vacate that space no later than some time in 2017; I don't recall the exact date).  When United vacates that section, the C14-23 concourse will be demolished and serious work gets started on the new Terminal D.

 

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Ok lets this get this straight.  When Terminal D will be demolished. The foreign carries will use the current Terminal C until construction is done.  United will move the Terminal C  back words and re build B and C on the north side.  Which United have 20 gates for the 787 and 15 gates  for United Express,  This is very exciting.

 

 

 

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--There is no reason to even think of building a new airport.

--They considered building a new International Terminal completely separate from the current terminal complex but most of the airlines hated the idea.  The idea was not dismissed because of a lack of money.

--We are not doing a renovation of Terminal D.  The new Terminal D will be an entirely new building. The existing Terminal D will be completely demolished.

--There is really nothing at all wrong with the footprint design of IAH.

 

Well if you say IAH now could still handle flights well then I have no problem with that. But if you travel from Amsterdam, Dubai, and Beijing to Houston you will surely feel shame of it. Terminal E is good, but all other terminals are not even close to "modern". I said we deserve a new airport not because IAH is not large enough to handle flight, but because we deserve something better.

 

I know the terminal D plan and I should not use the word renovation. I meant to say they have to build a new terminal in the same place where now Terminal D stands at, and at the same time you cannot completely shut off the terminal. This makes the project long and complicated. IAH's footprint is bad for sure. parallel concourses and satellite piers have proved their efficiency in lots of newly built airport around the world.

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Well if you say IAH now could still handle flights well then I have no problem with that. But if you travel from Amsterdam, Dubai, and Beijing to Houston you will surely feel shame of it. Terminal E is good, but all other terminals are not even close to "modern". I said we deserve a new airport not because IAH is not large enough to handle flight, but because we deserve something better.

 

I know the terminal D plan and I should not use the word renovation. I meant to say they have to build a new terminal in the same place where now Terminal D stands at, and at the same time you cannot completely shut off the terminal. This makes the project long and complicated. IAH's footprint is bad for sure. parallel concourses and satellite piers have proved their efficiency in lots of newly built airport around the world.

 

Even IF they opted to build a new airport, where in the heck would you put something that size? IAH is already inconvenient for most people who live IN Houston or God forbid Sugar Land or Clear Lake or Galveston. The amount of property you would need along with good ample transportation to get there would either push the new airport way out of town or be shrunk down considerably to something like San Diego, Philadelphia or Reagan. 

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