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I think bike lanes across 59 on Leeland would really open up that part of east downtown - right now it just feels far away from the heart of "eado" because the train and bike lane are all north of it

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Chain link has been up around the site for a week or two and now the green fence "liner" is up as well.

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On 5/8/2019 at 10:38 AM, adr said:

 

Does the area really need another restaurant?  

 

The Downtown District should focus efforts on getting convenience stores like a 7-11 downtown . . . that is an absolutely glaring gap.  But Houston is not a convenience store city . . . we seem to be all about CVS and Walgreen's.

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10 minutes ago, mattyt36 said:

 

The Downtown District should focus efforts on getting convenience stores like a 7-11 downtown . . . that is an absolutely glaring gap.


Something like this? 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, dbigtex56 said:


Something like this? 

 

 

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Um . . . yeah.  Let's open another branch of that (in)famous store.

 

Are you saying implying this is enough?

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On 5/10/2019 at 11:57 AM, mattyt36 said:

Are you saying implying this is enough?

 

Not really. I understand that convenience is the operative word in "convenience store", and that close proximity and extended hours are their selling points.
I'm not an expert by any means, but the impression I have is that the Holy Trinity (beer, cigarettes, lottery tickets) make up a substantial portion of their profits, and that the hoi polloi often indulge in these items.
These stores seem to attract a grittier crowd than the national branded stores but heck, isn't a bit of gritty to be expected in a downtown urban setting? 
Replacing them with shinier versions with stricter standards won't have much effect on the street denizens other than an increase in nicotine fits and the DTs.
But yes, I agree - it would be nice if there were more clean, well-stocked, non-scary convenience stores downtown. In the meantime, these places are better than nothing.

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5 hours ago, UtterlyUrban said:

Additional “convenience stores” selling beer, wine, cigs, and junk food are not needed IMO.  

 

Well given the prevalence of such stores in the downtown areas of major cities around the world, I’d say you’re in the minority.

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Update from the Downtown District's Sept board meeting:

 

Not much new. Opening date still the same.

 

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This capital project has been in design since November 2018. A 30% Construction Document milestone package was submitted by the consultant on August 30, 2019 with staff review currently in progress. During May-June, construction staff managed the demolition process to remove the Goodyear building and site paving. During June-July, marketing staff managed the café operator procurement process with an announcement of that operator pending Authority approvals in September. The design process is slated to run through November 2019 followed by contractor procurement through February 2020, and an estimated construction start in March 2020. The park’s opening is slated for March 2021.

 

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2 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

There's a LLC for Tout Suite SODO registered earlier this month. SODO, I assume, stands for South Downtown.

 

It has begun... Downtown just too big for one name now...

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19 hours ago, cspwal said:

The planners of the park tried that, no go

 

As someone who is in the industry and is privy to a small project in our commercial department discussing parking issues, the politics of parking and positioning of parking is very real, and a tad ridiculous. I'm glad we are finally lifting the mins in some areas because parking in this town literally can make or break a development/project.

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5 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:






A LLC I found gives some credence to the rumor of the cafe or restaurant operator for the new south downtown park in downtown Houston.

 

There's a LLC for Tout Suite SODO registered earlier this month. SODO, I assume, stands for South Downtown.

It's not hard evidence Tout Suite is the cafe operator for the new unnamed park ( going by the name South Downtown Park for now). 



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This makes a tremendous amount of sense since the owners have been talking about relocating since their current location will be torn down for the I-45/69 expansion in the next couple of years.

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23 hours ago, Toopicky said:

 

LOL ..... well, I am pretty sure that South Texas College of Law would be more than happy to swap it out with a closer lot to their building .... I don't see that happening

 

When I went to South Texas we had to fend for ourselves with parking, most of the classes were in the evening, and anything east of Caroline was more than a bit gritty (as in someone would get mugged every month or so).  Dang soft kids these days... they also need to get off of my lawn.

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7 hours ago, BeerNut said:

 

It has begun... Downtown just too big for one name now...

 

Noooooo...I was in Denver recently and this renaming of areas has run amok there. In my opinion, we should avoid it anywhere we can. 

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5 minutes ago, urbanize713 said:

 

Noooooo...I was in Denver recently and this renaming of areas has run amok there. In my opinion, we should avoid it anywhere we can. 

 

Once you get professional marketing folks involved it's all downhill (DoHi).

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On ‎2019‎-‎10‎-‎01 at 5:15 PM, august948 said:

 

Once you get professional marketing folks involved it's all downhill (DoHi).

Hopefully, if something is too artificial it will meet a justified demise.

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38 minutes ago, Specwriter said:

Hopefully, if something is too artificial it will meet a justified demise.

 

SoDo isn't any more artificial than EaDo.

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At least EaDo is an easy to define area - downtown east of 59, mainly centered on St Emanuel street

 

Where is Sodo?  

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43 minutes ago, cspwal said:

At least EaDo is an easy to define area - downtown east of 59, mainly centered on St Emanuel street

 

Where is Sodo?  

 

Sounds like it is the area north of the junction of 45 and 59.

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"SoDo isn't any more artificial than EaDo."

I agree, august948. SoDo is neither more or less so than Eado.  😊

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Now that we are naming areas of downtown proper, we'll also need to rebrand EaDo to the more geographically accurate SoEaDo so we can free up the EaDo moniker for area around Discovery Green and Minute Maid.

 

I'll propose DoDo (Downtown Downtown) for the very center.

4 hours ago, bobruss said:

So are we going to call the area around the historic district  NoDoz?

 

Given the number of homeless in that area, shouldn't we call it NoDough?

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We can call the areas with high concentrations of homeless NoDough  as august 948 suggests and the areas with the big banks MoDo, and areas that flood as LoDo. I especially like the suggestion of DoDo.

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NoDoz - the neighborhood that never sleeps.  Catchy.

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It's too bad the park didn't take up the entire block. It's such a Houston thing for a tiny park in Downtown have a big parking lot attached to it. 

 

I wonder if the DRA tried to acquire that parcel but couldn't, or if they intentionally left it there because of Houston's ridiculous minimum parking requirements.

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On 7/29/2018 at 12:09 AM, cspwal said:

So they had the planning meetings this Thursday and Saturday, and I went to both.  It is very much still in the planning stages; the Saturday session was a full on brainstorming session with the 21 people who showed up.

 

A few details that I learned:

  • They were only able to acquire a 30 year lease on the good year property and the parking lot at the corner of Leeland and San Jacinto.  The land is owned by a trust that won't let them sell it but they can do a lease.
  • The Southern Texas College of Law didn't want to give up their parking lot to let this be a full block park - the current plan is a fence between it and the park.
  • The project is already fully funded by the Downtown Redevelopment Authority
  • Goodyear's lease is up in March, and they expect construction on the park to start in April.
  • They're targeting a Summer 2020 opening date.

Here are the boards from the happy hour with the categories they're looking at.  I couldn't figure out how this broken forum software could let me embed the photos.

 

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https://farm1.staticflickr.com/862/43656371632_d549f53e73_k.jpg 

 

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/860/29833050268_82c6d5236d_k.jpg 

 

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48 minutes ago, Howard Huge said:

It's too bad the park didn't take up the entire block. It's such a Houston thing for a tiny park in Downtown have a big parking lot attached to it. 

 

I wonder if the DRA tried to acquire that parcel but couldn't, or if they intentionally left it there because of Houston's ridiculous minimum parking requirements.

 

One thing we know with absolute certainty:  It had/has nothing to do with any minimum parking requirements. (There are no minimum parking requirements in downtown Houston.)

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1 hour ago, Howard Huge said:

It's too bad the park didn't take up the entire block. It's such a Houston thing for a tiny park in Downtown have a big parking lot attached to it. 

 

I wonder if the DRA tried to acquire that parcel but couldn't, or if they intentionally left it there because of Houston's ridiculous minimum parking requirements.

I believe the lot is owned by South Texas law school. Apparently they didn't want to sell. 

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53 minutes ago, Sanjorade said:

I believe the lot is owned by South Texas law school. Apparently they didn't want to sell. 

Hate that they don't want to contribute to the revitalization of down 

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5 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

One thing we know with absolute certainty:  It had/has nothing to do with any minimum parking requirements. (There are no minimum parking requirements in downtown Houston.)

Well that's good.

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