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I think bike lanes across 59 on Leeland would really open up that part of east downtown - right now it just feels far away from the heart of "eado" because the train and bike lane are all north of it

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On 5/8/2019 at 10:38 AM, adr said:

 

Does the area really need another restaurant?  

 

The Downtown District should focus efforts on getting convenience stores like a 7-11 downtown . . . that is an absolutely glaring gap.  But Houston is not a convenience store city . . . we seem to be all about CVS and Walgreen's.

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10 minutes ago, mattyt36 said:

 

The Downtown District should focus efforts on getting convenience stores like a 7-11 downtown . . . that is an absolutely glaring gap.


Something like this? 

 

 

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On 5/10/2019 at 11:57 AM, mattyt36 said:

Are you saying implying this is enough?

 

Not really. I understand that convenience is the operative word in "convenience store", and that close proximity and extended hours are their selling points.
I'm not an expert by any means, but the impression I have is that the Holy Trinity (beer, cigarettes, lottery tickets) make up a substantial portion of their profits, and that the hoi polloi often indulge in these items.
These stores seem to attract a grittier crowd than the national branded stores but heck, isn't a bit of gritty to be expected in a downtown urban setting? 
Replacing them with shinier versions with stricter standards won't have much effect on the street denizens other than an increase in nicotine fits and the DTs.
But yes, I agree - it would be nice if there were more clean, well-stocked, non-scary convenience stores downtown. In the meantime, these places are better than nothing.

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5 hours ago, UtterlyUrban said:

Additional “convenience stores” selling beer, wine, cigs, and junk food are not needed IMO.  

 

Well given the prevalence of such stores in the downtown areas of major cities around the world, I’d say you’re in the minority.

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Update from the Downtown District's Sept board meeting:

 

Not much new. Opening date still the same.

 

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This capital project has been in design since November 2018. A 30% Construction Document milestone package was submitted by the consultant on August 30, 2019 with staff review currently in progress. During May-June, construction staff managed the demolition process to remove the Goodyear building and site paving. During June-July, marketing staff managed the café operator procurement process with an announcement of that operator pending Authority approvals in September. The design process is slated to run through November 2019 followed by contractor procurement through February 2020, and an estimated construction start in March 2020. The park’s opening is slated for March 2021.

 

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19 hours ago, cspwal said:

The planners of the park tried that, no go

 

As someone who is in the industry and is privy to a small project in our commercial department discussing parking issues, the politics of parking and positioning of parking is very real, and a tad ridiculous. I'm glad we are finally lifting the mins in some areas because parking in this town literally can make or break a development/project.

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5 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:






A LLC I found gives some credence to the rumor of the cafe or restaurant operator for the new south downtown park in downtown Houston.

 

There's a LLC for Tout Suite SODO registered earlier this month. SODO, I assume, stands for South Downtown.

It's not hard evidence Tout Suite is the cafe operator for the new unnamed park ( going by the name South Downtown Park for now). 



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This makes a tremendous amount of sense since the owners have been talking about relocating since their current location will be torn down for the I-45/69 expansion in the next couple of years.

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23 hours ago, Toopicky said:

 

LOL ..... well, I am pretty sure that South Texas College of Law would be more than happy to swap it out with a closer lot to their building .... I don't see that happening

 

When I went to South Texas we had to fend for ourselves with parking, most of the classes were in the evening, and anything east of Caroline was more than a bit gritty (as in someone would get mugged every month or so).  Dang soft kids these days... they also need to get off of my lawn.

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Now that we are naming areas of downtown proper, we'll also need to rebrand EaDo to the more geographically accurate SoEaDo so we can free up the EaDo moniker for area around Discovery Green and Minute Maid.

 

I'll propose DoDo (Downtown Downtown) for the very center.

4 hours ago, bobruss said:

So are we going to call the area around the historic district  NoDoz?

 

Given the number of homeless in that area, shouldn't we call it NoDough?

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It's too bad the park didn't take up the entire block. It's such a Houston thing for a tiny park in Downtown have a big parking lot attached to it. 

 

I wonder if the DRA tried to acquire that parcel but couldn't, or if they intentionally left it there because of Houston's ridiculous minimum parking requirements.

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On 7/29/2018 at 12:09 AM, cspwal said:

So they had the planning meetings this Thursday and Saturday, and I went to both.  It is very much still in the planning stages; the Saturday session was a full on brainstorming session with the 21 people who showed up.

 

A few details that I learned:

  • They were only able to acquire a 30 year lease on the good year property and the parking lot at the corner of Leeland and San Jacinto.  The land is owned by a trust that won't let them sell it but they can do a lease.
  • The Southern Texas College of Law didn't want to give up their parking lot to let this be a full block park - the current plan is a fence between it and the park.
  • The project is already fully funded by the Downtown Redevelopment Authority
  • Goodyear's lease is up in March, and they expect construction on the park to start in April.
  • They're targeting a Summer 2020 opening date.

Here are the boards from the happy hour with the categories they're looking at.  I couldn't figure out how this broken forum software could let me embed the photos.

 

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https://farm1.staticflickr.com/860/29833050268_82c6d5236d_k.jpg 

 

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48 minutes ago, Howard Huge said:

It's too bad the park didn't take up the entire block. It's such a Houston thing for a tiny park in Downtown have a big parking lot attached to it. 

 

I wonder if the DRA tried to acquire that parcel but couldn't, or if they intentionally left it there because of Houston's ridiculous minimum parking requirements.

 

One thing we know with absolute certainty:  It had/has nothing to do with any minimum parking requirements. (There are no minimum parking requirements in downtown Houston.)

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1 hour ago, Howard Huge said:

It's too bad the park didn't take up the entire block. It's such a Houston thing for a tiny park in Downtown have a big parking lot attached to it. 

 

I wonder if the DRA tried to acquire that parcel but couldn't, or if they intentionally left it there because of Houston's ridiculous minimum parking requirements.

I believe the lot is owned by South Texas law school. Apparently they didn't want to sell. 

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Apparently bids came in above budget. Looks like the ground breaking will be delayed:

 

http://www.downtowndistrict.org/static/media/uploads/Board Books/201008_hdmd_board_materials.pdf

 

Southern Downtown Park: Following public advertisement (July 16-30, 2020) for contractor procurement, two valid proposals were submitted on August 20, 2020 per the competitive sealed proposal method. A 5-member evaluation panel reviewed both proposals. Based on the evaluation process, staff presented its recommendation for the preferred general contractor to the Authority’s Capital Projects Committee (CPC) on September 3, 2020, which subsequently directed staff and consultants to initiate a value engineering process with the contractor, as both proposals received exceed the project’s budget. Staff and the preferred contractor were not able to achieve sufficient savings during the VE process. Upon advisement from the CPC, the Authority intends to re-bid the project later in 2020 which results in the project construction and final delivery being postponed, likely during 1Q 2021 but the specific project timeline has not been finalized as of this memo.

 

 

 

 

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Here is some info from the TIRZ regarding this project:

 

 

The Southern Downtown Park is a 2021 capital improvement project of the Downtown Redevelopment Authority.  Bidding documents are currently out to contractors, with bids due January 25th.  If all goes well, we will seek board approval on February 9th to enter agreement with contractor who provides the best proposal, with an estimated one-year construction schedule to commence in early March / final completion in early April 2022

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