swtsig Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 maybe next...??? WHY IS THIS GUY RUNNING HOUSTON FIRST?!? they'll have a hard time accomplishing anything visionary so long as that guy is at the helm.. he is supposed to be a leader of one of downtowns larger government run organizations, supporting the revitalization of downtown. and even he won't move forward with his project?? ugh..Ya, how dare he make pragmatic business decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 heh, i knew someone would come in with a "reality check". I'm just saying its pretty messed up that other developers have more faith in downtown Houston than the leader of Houston First. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 heh, i knew someone would come in with a "reality check". I'm just saying its pretty messed up that other developers have more faith in downtown Houston than the leader of Houston First.I agree, his project should have been the first development to start construction. Marvy Finger or even Novare should take his place they have shown more confidence in downtown Houston then Campo has. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2015/05/01/amid-low-oil-prices-camden-puts-brakes-on-houston.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 This guy is full of it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDierker Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2015/05/01/amid-low-oil-prices-camden-puts-brakes-on-houston.html from the article: During the energy boom, commercial and multifamily developers rushed to deliver thousands of new office buildings and apartment towers to satisfy the demand from Houston’s job and population growth. did I miss something? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Thousands of square feet most likely. Poor writing skills and a lack of revisions kills HBJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 This guy is full of it!I agree Campo sat on his a** while other developers started developments before and after him. The super block is a perfect example. He had the land way before there was any hint of an energy cool down. Block 365, skyhouse main and others started after he started demo for Camden conte. Campo is dragging his feet because that is what he does. The economy is just a convenient excuse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 How can we replace this incompetent ape? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) You're giving him too much credit LTAWACS calling him an ape... but man how can we replace this guy with maybe someone like Mr. Hines? Edited May 2, 2015 by j_cuevas713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yall need to chill for real. You can't just cry about wanting "cool tall buildings!" to go up in Houston. There are a hell of a lot more economics involved in all of these projects that almost none of you, besides someone like swtsig, would even begin to understand.This thread is just turning into a ssc or ssp page and that's so unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Says a lot about our city that this guy's heading the organization that's "leading the effort to promote Houston as one of the great cities of the world." Guess parking lots, projects that reject mixed use and literally block important parks from fully developing, and subpar apartment complexes are what some feel makes Houston one of the great cities of the world. I think Camden's presence on the NYSE was reason enough to pitchfork Campo into that position. Edited May 3, 2015 by toxtethogrady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yall need to chill for real. You can't just cry about wanting "cool tall buildings!" to go up in Houston. There are a hell of a lot more economics involved in all of these projects that almost none of you, besides someone like swtsig, would even begin to understand.This thread is just turning into a ssc or ssp page and that's so unnecessary.I don't care if it's tall or not. I am more a fan of filling up empty space and adding activity. What is erring With wanting downtown to be less dead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I don't care if it's tall or not. I am more a fan of filling up empty space and adding activity. What is erring With wanting downtown to be less dead?That's not what I said, don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying it's a hell of a lot more complicated than just saying "I want downtown'so be bigger" and jumping to weird conclusions like getting rid of Campo. You have to take into account the economics of a project and whether or not it's viable to throw in thousands of new units here when there's no clear guarantee that it will all work. This isn't China where we can build empt cities and wait for the people to come live. This is Houston and we have to actually think about these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 That's not what I said, don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying it's a hell of a lot more complicated than just saying "I want downtown'so be bigger" and jumping to weird conclusions like getting rid of Campo. You have to take into account the economics of a project and whether or not it's viable to throw in thousands of new units here when there's no clear guarantee that it will all work. This isn't China where we can build empt cities and wait for the people to come live. This is Houston and we have to actually think about these things. so Hines, BMS/Woodbranch, Novare, Finger, Alliance, Marquette, Resolution, Leon, etc. aren't thinking things through, and are merely throwing up apartment complexes just to save 15,000 per unit on empty apartment units? right... i guess Hines is stupid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Holy crap you're taking everything I said out of context. I didn't say literally anything you just posted so idk why you think any of that is relevant.I'm saying it's extremely naïve and childish to call for this man's job when none of you actually work in the industry. There's so much that goes on behind closed doors that we'll never know.Besides, wouldn't you think it a little suspicious to see the man in charge of Houston First push his projects before others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 do you not understand what Houston First is or the importance of their mission for downtown...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Holy crap you're taking everything I said out of context. I didn't say literally anything you just posted so idk why you think any of that is relevant.I'm saying it's extremely naïve and childish to call for this man's job when none of you actually work in the industry. There's so much that goes on behind closed doors that we'll never know.Besides, wouldn't you think it a little suspicious to see the man in charge of Houston First push his projects before others?I wouldn't think it was suspicious at all. He'd be putting his money where his mouth is.It's pretty sad that Houston's main cheerleader, who touts to everyone about Houston's "robust economy", doesn't believe in Houston's economy.His company gave Houston a B minus grade, when I'm almost CERTAIN he's selling everyone else that Houston is an "A+, world class city with jobs and a booming economy." Edited May 3, 2015 by Howard Huge 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 No cloud I clearly have noooooo idea what it's for....All I was saying was that there are so many reasons for why this isn't going thru immediately while others are. So many more than you and plenty of others here understand.What the fvk ever man, I'm done arguing semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 you still talking to me or was only the first line addressed to me? I've never had a problem with you, in fact we usually see eye to eye on most things. you just seem to fail to understand where were coming from here..? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Yeah you're right, we do, but we're allowed to disagree on one thing right? I said what I said because most of the people here are very smart when it comes to these projects. I'd rather this forum not turn into the classic ssc or ssp post of "LET'S BUILD IT BECAUSE IT'S TALL" while ignoring any sense of economic responsibility. Not to say you did that, I just feel like it's unfair to simply say "we should fire Campo because he hasn't built his projects yet", I'm just saying there are a lot more reasons behind the why he hasn't built it yet... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Of course there are. I just feel like if all these others are able to make it happen, someone with as much prowess as Campo should of been able to figure it out by now. Ah well, please forgive me for my Campo rant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 No that's a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 do you not understand what Houston First is or the importance of their mission for downtown...? Given their origins, Houston First is supposed to bring new businesses, new residents, new conventions and other new things to Houston by whatever means necessary. Including beatdowns of the Perots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Drove by this block this morning, and it looked like there was a green construction fence up around half of it. Don't know how long its been up though. (The block facing the park, north of Leeland) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNathoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I think they've had a fence up for some time now. Possibly for environmental reasons? That's prime parking for Toyota center events. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Drove by this block this morning, and it looked like there was a green construction fence up around half of it. Don't know how long its been up though. (The block facing the park, north of Leeland) It's been there since this post: http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/29372-camden-conte-21-stories-x2-2-phases-downtown/?p=488858 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 No activity here, what are the chances this gets built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 No activity here, what are the chances this gets built?Campo already said he's not building it.He said they will "revisit the idea a few years from now, see how the economy is doing." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) Campo already said he's not building it. He said they will "revisit the idea a few years from now, see how the economy is doing." Here's what the Houston Business Journal reported just last month: "Camden has two tracts of land in downtown Houston that it is eying for future development, Campo said. However, Camden likely will have no construction starts in Houston this year due to the onslaught of new apartment projects flooding the market, sky-high construction costs and oil prices hovering near six-year lows, he said. “Even if we wanted to start this year, we couldn’t,” Campo said. “There could be a 2016 start. We’ll watch to see if the timing is right.”" Edited June 10, 2015 by Houston19514 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestat Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Here's what the Houston Business Journal reported just last month: "Camden has two tracts of land in downtown Houston that it is eying for future development, Campo said. However, Camden likely will have no construction starts in Houston this year due to the onslaught of new apartment projects flooding the market, sky-high construction costs and oil prices hovering near six-year lows, he said. “Even if we wanted to start this year, we couldn’t,” Campo said. “There could be a 2016 start. We’ll watch to see if the timing is right.”" I wonder how this affects the downtown building incentives? I knew we hit the limit last month on the number, but if he's not going to be building does this mean technically a new party could come in and claim the incentives if they build first? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If I remember correctly no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Triton Posted June 11, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2015 No, no one else can. Once it is claimed, it's claimed. If they lose it, another developer can't claim. Now, when I first heard this, I thought it was simply idiotic. But then I talked to someone else that frequently goes to city council meetings and they told me, "well, it's an incentive. It's to tell them that they only have one chance to claim this tax relief and that they need to take the opportunity now. If they allowed it to be open ended, they wouldn't get the amount of apartment construction to happen all at the same time. Plus, they want this to help push retail construction as well. All of this, of course, to increase tax revenue for a part of the city that doesn't require as much new city infrastructure." 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 ^Educational post of the day. Thanks Triton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Here's what the Houston Business Journal reported just last month: "Camden has two tracts of land in downtown Houston that it is eying for future development, Campo said. However, Camden likely will have no construction starts in Houston this year due to the onslaught of new apartment projects flooding the market, sky-high construction costs and oil prices hovering near six-year lows, he said. “Even if we wanted to start this year, we couldn’t,” Campo said. “There could be a 2016 start. We’ll watch to see if the timing is right.”" I remember sitting at June 2013 and hearing about projects that were going to start in 2014. As far off as that seemed, we are now in the midst of a major round of construction. 2016 will be here sooner than we think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The green construction fence and brick from the demo'd building have been removed from the Northeast lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted August 8, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2015 http://www.wylieassociates.com/project/the-camden-at-toyota-center/ 623,463 GSF, New Apartment Tower Including: • 271 Units• Retail Shell Space, Valet & Back-of-House Areas• Lobby, Office & Parcel Center• Moving Vestibule, Dog Wash Area & Bike Storage• Fitness Center with Yoga Room• Resident’s Kitchen, Dining & Club Room• Media Lounge, Conference Room & Morning Room• Rooftop Pool Deck• Private Parking Garage 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 So are they saying they have a abandoned the two tower concept in place of one..that fine with me if it gets this thing going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 This kinda looks too good for the area. I will be happy if it comes out like this rendering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 ^^^ gorgeous illustration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 So are they saying they have a abandoned the two tower concept in place of one..that fine with me if it gets this thing goingHelp me understand......I thought that tower 1 goes on this property and tower two goes on the block behind. True? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Help me understand......I thought that tower 1 goes on this property and tower two goes on the block behind. True?Correct - Phase 2 is the block behind. But IIRC, Ric Campo has delayed this entire project even though it is approved for DLI tax incentives. Edited August 9, 2015 by tigereye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) - Edited July 9, 2019 by Timoric 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted August 21, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2015 http://zieglercooper.com/camden-downtown/ Located one block from Houston’s Toyota Center at the heart of the Central Business District, Camden Downtown is a 20-story high-rise residential tower. The tower is sited on the north end of the block in an east-west orientation, creating a more energy-efficient exposure of the facades and maximizing views to downtown and the adjacent Root Square Park. This orientation also minimizes the shadows of the tower onto the 20,000-square-foot amenity deck. Camden Downtown provides residents with a wide array of amenities, including a state-of-the-art fitness center, club room, WiFi lounge, private dining, morning coffee lounge, and a skylounge on Level 20 with unrivaled skyline views. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 ^^^ cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 So about that "x2" in the title... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted August 27, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2015 http://zieglercooper.com/ 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Start date no longer available for this one. http://www.downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2015-09-11/150910_Development_Map__Renders_11X17.pdf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Campo is a failure! Makes me so angry! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Here we go again... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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