fernz Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The way I read the rule, it doesn't necessarily say that if a project is cancelled the incentives can't be reassigned (at least from what I read on a memo posted on another thread). The memo said that once the incentive program is closed - either because the cap is reached or the timeframe expires in 2016 - then the incentives can't be reassigned to other projects. Theoretically, I understand, if a project is cancelled now, the incentives are up for grabs. The real issue is that a project rarely ever gets cancelled, rather it is delayed indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
por favor gracias Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Oh, I get it. If I don't like your opinion I'm in the wrong place. Sorry to interrupt YOUR board. It's not YOUR board, and it's not YOUR property. Oh, I get it. If i mock your opinion and turn it into something completely different than your intended use, then I'm in the wrong place. I apologize for putting words in your mouth and interrupting the board. There was absolutely no need for that. FIFY. Okay...sorry for interrupting the board myself, but I just felt like that needed to be said. Edited January 15, 2015 by por favor gracias 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 On your what list? I'm sure they find that most disconcerting and will immediately reverse course, track you down, and solicit your opinion as to what they should do with THEIR PROPERTY. No, I think Campo has hired a hit man and intends to bury all critics six feet under the parking lot. Just because he's the developer doesn't mean he isn't a blooming idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 How many units would a 101-story building have held?.... Going by New York City standards, 202. Maybe fewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbpro Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 No, I think Campo has hired a hit man and intends to bury all critics six feet under the parking lot. Just because he's the developer doesn't mean he isn't a blooming idiot. It doesn't make any difference whether the developer is a "blooming idiot" or a genius. IT's his property, not yours. Let's say you buy a lot with the intention of building a home in the next several years. Somebody drives by your lot, notices that it is not landscaped and manicured like the many homes surrounding it. He searches the tax records, finds you are the owner and then publishes on the internet that you are on his _ _ _ _ list because you have not built a home. I'm sure that would be totally OK with you. If it were me I would blast back, "It's none of your fricking business what I do with my land. If you want it to look a certain way there is a solution - BUY IT!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 It doesn't make any difference whether the developer is a "blooming idiot" or a genius. IT's his property, not yours. Let's say you buy a lot with the intention of building a home in the next several years. Somebody drives by your lot, notices that it is not landscaped and manicured like the many homes surrounding it. He searches the tax records, finds you are the owner and then publishes on the internet that you are on his _ _ _ _ list because you have not built a home. I'm sure that would be totally OK with you. If it were me I would blast back, "It's none of your fricking business what I do with my land. If you want it to look a certain way there is a solution - BUY IT!" Get real. If you bought a lot in any area that is desirable and has homeowners who care about their own properties and then you let your lot fall into disrepair you better bet you'll get blasted for it. If there's an HOA, get ready to be sued. We do not live in a libertarian utopia. We live with neighbors. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 It doesn't make any difference whether the developer is a "blooming idiot" or a genius. IT's his property, not yours. Let's say you buy a lot with the intention of building a home in the next several years. Somebody drives by your lot, notices that it is not landscaped and manicured like the many homes surrounding it. He searches the tax records, finds you are the owner and then publishes on the internet that you are on his _ _ _ _ list because you have not built a home. I'm sure that would be totally OK with you. If it were me I would blast back, "It's none of your fricking business what I do with my land. If you want it to look a certain way there is a solution - BUY IT!" What you describe sounds like the typical HOA. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Or paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Arbpro seems to place property rights quite high on the list of all rights enjoyed by those who live in the US.I would be curious though. Arbpro, are you a single family home owner? Would it be ok with you if your neighbor on the left and on the right bulldozed their homes and put up a parking dirt/gravel parking lot for the patrons of the local bar (3 blocks away) to use? If it was a perfectly legal use for your neighbors to do that in that location, you wouldn't have a problem with it, right? after all, it is their land, right? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Arbpro seems to place property rights quite high on the list of all rights enjoyed by those who live in the US.I would be curious though. Arbpro, are you a single family home owner? Would it be ok with you if your neighbor on the left and on the right bulldozed their homes and put up a parking dirt/gravel parking lot for the patrons of the local bar (3 blocks away) to use? If it was a perfectly legal use for your neighbors to do that in that location, you wouldn't have a problem with it, right? after all, it is their land, right?Thanks for this. Made me smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 It doesn't make any difference whether the developer is a "blooming idiot" or a genius. IT's his property, not yours. Let's say you buy a lot with the intention of building a home in the next several years. Somebody drives by your lot, notices that it is not landscaped and manicured like the many homes surrounding it. He searches the tax records, finds you are the owner and then publishes on the internet that you are on his _ _ _ _ list because you have not built a home. I'm sure that would be totally OK with you. If it were me I would blast back, "It's none of your fricking business what I do with my land. If you want it to look a certain way there is a solution - BUY IT!" ^ Didn't know Ric Campo had a HAIF account. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Lovely Camden Conte by marclongoria, on Flickr 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) It doesn't make any difference whether the developer is a "blooming idiot" or a genius. IT's his property, not yours. Let's say you buy a lot with the intention of building a home in the next several years. Somebody drives by your lot, notices that it is not landscaped and manicured like the many homes surrounding it. He searches the tax records, finds you are the owner and then publishes on the internet that you are on his _ _ _ _ list because you have not built a home. I'm sure that would be totally OK with you. If it were me I would blast back, "It's none of your fricking business what I do with my land. If you want it to look a certain way there is a solution - BUY IT!" Wow what are you talking about? I live next to a vacant lot and the city even put up a yellow sign (edit: indicating they had one month to clean the property back in October) on the property because it was overgrown and the owner never takes care of it. They've been receiving fines every month now but they still don't seem to care... they are just letting the lot sit there while the rest of the neighborhood absolutely hates it and my neighborhood doesn't even have a home owners association. Edited January 18, 2015 by Triton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 IT's his property, not yours. It may be his property, but he's still an idiot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortune Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Camden downtownLocation: Two downtown blocks bounded by LaBranch, Austin, Bell and PeaseDeveloper: CamdenOriginal plan: In May, Camden said it was planning a two-phased complex on 3 acres of downtown land.Update: Campo said the company is still designing the project and is not yet prepared to start it. "We'll see how the markets unfold and what happens to construction and rents," he said.http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Cracks-forming-in-commercial-real-estate-market-6037038.php#/0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 All they need to know is they can still get the same exorbitant rents they were planning to charge, even in this market. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 Pushed back to 4Q 2015 https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ob5t192cdu08gp/150225_Development_Map__Renders_11X17.pdf?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Urbannizer Posted April 17, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2015 http://issuu.com/sdeita/docs/reshapinghoustondowntown_for_issuu__43d1e9ce8af7b8 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 So, no longer 2 blocks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNathoo Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Great find, Urbannizer. I'd love to see them move forward on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rechlin Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 The second block looks like it's showing a clone of it, just rotated 90 degrees and in silhouette form. I guess that means they still want to build 2 towers but in 2 phases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's still proposed as two blocks but will be built in phases (if at all). Camden has snoozed through this boom while nearly every other major player in town and out has moved forward with downtown projects. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Maybe I counted wrong....19 stories?The side view makes the building look short to me.Regardless, I hope that they build it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Will be one of the better pools downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I just looked closer at the renderings. It seems that entrance to the resident garage is on LaBranch. If this rendering ever gets built, I hope that Camden switches the entrance to one of the other sides as traffic on game nights can be pretty bad on LaBranch, especially right in front of the TC parking garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Why are there garage entrances/exits on THREE SIDES? Including facing the park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Why are there garage entrances/exits on THREE SIDES? Including facing the park?Because we don't have zoning. Short answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Why are there garage entrances/exits on THREE SIDES? Including facing the park?Holy moly! I didn't see that! I can see why there might be two (in on one side ant out on another) but, three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Why are there garage entrances/exits on THREE SIDES? Including facing the park? Pretty sure those are not all garage entrances/exits. Looks like we have a drop-off/valet drive entrance and exit, in addition to a garage entrance/exit. Edited April 18, 2015 by Houston19514 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Not too far from the Randal Davis building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 One way streets, and ballgame/event traffic would neccessitate multiple entry/exits. It's a good idea as a convenience for the tenants. Traffic congestion would be a major concern if I were considering relocation to the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Not really sure that's worth cutting three sidewalks in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I don't like it either, as a pedestrian. But, that's probably the reason of the developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) http://www.downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2014-03-05/140303_Project_Renderings_11_x_17.pdf the new rendering s are drastically different from the 1st set. Quite an improvement http://issuu.com/sdeita/docs/reshapinghoustondowntown_for_issuu__43d1e9ce8af7b8 Edited April 18, 2015 by HoustonIsHome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 That's a great location. Come home after a long day at the office downtown, and pop across the street for a basketball game or a Lady Gaga concert. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 That's a great location. Come home after a long day at the office downtown, and pop across the street for a basketball game or a Lady Gaga concert. Absolutely true. Of course the same can be said for just about any block in downtown. Heck, houston's entire Downtown is something like 1 mile X 1 mile. You can be just about anywhere downtown, on foot in 15 minutes or less. Want to go to the Opera, symphony, ballet, theatre, movies, basketball, baseball, soccer, acquirium, music concerts, bowling, library, or 50 restaraunts or bars? It's all less than a 15 minute walk or a fixed price $6 cab ride. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Had dinner with a friend who is an exec at Camden. Asked about this project and she said phase one should start to rise in late 3rd/early 4th quarter of this year. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Is this project a for sure thing or still just a proposal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Is this project a for sure thing or still just a proposal? nothing is for sure until construction starts. but we just heard some positive news on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Dallas is seeing some proposals that won't start till next year, so Oct. 2015 isn't all that far off. WTI's at $56 a barrel, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Had dinner with a friend who is an exec at Camden. Asked about this project and she said phase one should start to rise in late 3rd/early 4th quarter of this year.Just passing this along: Nancy Sarnoff quoted Ric Campo as saying it will not start this year, maybe next. https://twitter.com/nsarnoff/status/594217713804816385 Edited May 1, 2015 by tigereye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 maybe next...??? WHY IS THIS GUY RUNNING HOUSTON FIRST?!? they'll have a hard time accomplishing anything visionary so long as that guy is at the helm.. he is supposed to be a leader of one of downtowns larger government run organizations, supporting the revitalization of downtown. and even he won't move forward with his project?? ugh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nole23 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I wish they would release the incentives from this project and offer to another developer who will build and not hold the remaining units for the DLI hostage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 maybe next...??? WHY IS THIS GUY RUNNING HOUSTON FIRST?!? they'll have a hard time accomplishing anything visionary so long as that guy is at the helm.. he is supposed to be a leader of one of downtowns larger government run organizations, supporting the revitalization of downtown. and even he won't move forward with his project?? ugh.. I wish they would release the incentives from this project and offer to another developer who will build and not hold the remaining units for the DLI hostage. Says a lot about our city that this guy's heading the organization that's "leading the effort to promote Houston as one of the great cities of the world." Guess parking lots, projects that reject mixed use and literally block important parks from fully developing, and subpar apartment complexes are what some feel makes Houston one of the great cities of the world. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I'm sure there are much more complicated financial reasons here than we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I'm sure there are much more complicated financial reasons here than we know.Always are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It was nice of Camden to bulldoze that building six months ago and create a new empty lot though --- "opens up" the vista. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 That sucks. She was fairly confident but she isn't calling the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 That sucks. She was fairly confident but she isn't calling the shots.I think this happens personally. Confidence that Houston is going to remain strong and developers won't want to miss an opportunity with the incentive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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