Jump to content

16-Story Parking Garage at Louisiana, Polk, Milam, Clay


lockmat

Recommended Posts

Haha you guys are so full of BRAZOS river sediment it's not even funny. Would one of you gladly like to commute DT then commute the freaking 30 minutes up this hypothetical garage.

Sounds like a nightmare to me and probably the reason garages are usually capped including in NYC & CHI - simply not feasible to spend a half an hour going up in a spiral.

smh

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hmmm. So a wall of parking garages between Downtown and the surrounding neighborhoods? I'm not sure that's actually better than having them dispersed throughout.

 

jiFfM.jpg

 

I don't think anyone mentioned a wall of garages. If you are going to completely change the gist of the conversation to suit your point then it becomes pointless cause you are objecting against something you made up to make it sound unpalatable.

This 16 story garage is slated to have 1600 spots. So lets assume this is 100 slots per floor on a half lot building. This one building would eliminate the need for the ugly Skyhouse garage, the Marquette residential garage, the Hines MS garage and the garage for the 40 storey MS residential on the other side.

Now that is one building on a half lot.

Reduce the height to 12 floors and use a full lot and you get 2400. Put three of them in strategic areas near Pierce (either side), a few on the east side and a couple downtown itself and you Easily rack up 20,000 parking spaces. That's A fifth of all the parking currently downtown just in about 8 buildings spread about on the outskirts of downtown.

Even if you double the number of spots available downtown we don't need walls of Garages to accomplish this.

 

Thank you sir for quickly restoring sanity. *claps*

 

I wish they'd scrap all those garages and build a massive hive super garage parking structure that took up 4 blocks and went up 30 stories.

 

This is actually an interesting concept given the context of this city and I know it's been discussed before. You would just need to make it look really freakin awesome on the outside to get away with it lol.

 

Haha you guys are so full of BRAZOS river sediment it's not even funny. Would one of you gladly like to commute DT then commute the freaking 30 minutes up this hypothetical garage.

Sounds like a nightmare to me and probably the reason garages are usually capped including in NYC & CHI - simply not feasible to spend a half an hour going up in a spiral.

smh

 

ummm if you want the exercise then by all means give the walk a try. I happen to know this guy. Kinda famous. Elisha Otis??? Yeah he invented this awesome thing called the "elevator" which is an amazing piece of technology way way back from the 19th century. I know...its practically science fiction. To use such a contraption to go up a building so high lol is just CRAZY!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was just going to say the same thing. Modern hirise parking structures use lifts. It saves space and time.

Cities around the world are building all these parking megastructures.

I heard Dubai is gonna build a 40,000 spot garage. I think that would be the largest capacity single garage in the world, but of course its Dubai so it has tp be the biggest. And two think, ten years ago they were parking camels

Link to comment
Share on other sites

well if there was ever an advantage to a rich king is that they don't freakin mess around when it comes to creating cities lol. Even though I like whats going on over there, it doesn't really hold a lot of weight because its so extravagant and none of it feels natural especially in the context of living in a desert. That city in twenty years is going to have major water resource problems, and not to mention that whole region is about to hit an Oil bubble because they are don't have the reserves they once had. In fact its the us in the US and those in Canada who have the enormous resources.

 

I usually think of it as a no brainer to just use a mechanical system. More cars means more money. I don't understand why we still use these enormous concrete monoliths.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think anyone mentioned a wall of garages. If you are going to completely change the gist of the conversation to suit your point then it becomes pointless cause you are objecting against something you made up to make it sound unpalatable.

This 16 story garage is slated to have 1600 spots. So lets assume this is 100 slots per floor on a half lot building. This one building would eliminate the need for the ugly Skyhouse garage, the Marquette residential garage, the Hines MS garage and the garage for the 40 storey MS residential on the other side.

Now that is one building on a half lot.

Reduce the height to 12 floors and use a full lot and you get 2400. Put three of them in strategic areas near Pierce (either side), a few on the east side and a couple downtown itself and you Easily rack up 20,000 parking spaces. That's A fifth of all the parking currently downtown just in about 8 buildings spread about on the outskirts of downtown.

Even if you double the number of spots available downtown we don't need walls of Garages to accomplish this.

 

...ok...

 

As downtown continues to densify, it will need more parking, even assuming the proportion of people both living and working downtown increases. 

If you, for the sake of argument, magically zone Downtown so that parking garages have to be on the edge, then yes, you will end up with a layer of parking garages equivalent to a wall. Would there be streets through it? Of course, but it would still make for a horrible pedestrian experience. 

 

In fact, the southeast section of Downtown is already almost like this; it's mostly just parking garages and office towers that turn their backs to the street. It makes for an unpleasant pedestrian experience. 

 

What works better in an area with high enough property values (like downtown) are parking garages integrated into other things, particularly the underground garages under Discovery Green and Tranquility Park. 

 

The absolute last thing I want to see is an entire block with nothing but a parking garage on it. That is a total urban dead zone.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

...ok...

As downtown continues to densify, it will need more parking, even assuming the proportion of people both living and working downtown increases.

If you, for the sake of argument, magically zone Downtown so that parking garages have to be on the edge, then yes, you will end up with a layer of parking garages equivalent to a wall. Would there be streets through it? Of course, but it would still make for a horrible pedestrian experience.

In fact, the southeast section of Downtown is already almost like this; it's mostly just parking garages and office towers that turn their backs to the street. It makes for an unpleasant pedestrian experience.

What works better in an area with high enough property values (like downtown) are parking garages integrated into other things, particularly the underground garages under Discovery Green and Tranquility Park.

The absolute last thing I want to see is an entire block with nothing but a parking garage on it. That is a total urban dead zone.

Again, you are twisting what was said to come up with a doomsday scenario.

1. No one said anything about zoning anywhere for parking. In fact, it was said a zillion times that the optimum scenario would be a spread around the periphery.

2. I can name a zillion parking structures with ground floor retail. Just because it is a garage doesn't mean it can't look like any other building on the outside with retail on the bottom.

Edited by HoustonIsHome
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Really? A doomsday scenario? And you can name a "zillion" parking garages with ground floor retail? 

 

And you're accusing me of hyperbole?

 

"A spread around the periphery" is, by definition, a zone, and even, if dense enough, could be perceived as a wall.

 

Now, I will say that I agree that shared parking garages are a good thing, but I think they make more sense scattered throughout rather than clustered along the edge of a neighborhood. That clustering creates this perception that people drive to downtown, park, and then walk around for a few hours. There's nothing wrong with that, but i would prefer to prioritize those people who actually live downtown or in the surrounding neighborhoods and walk, bike or even drive between them.

I think it makes more sense to have parking clusters near individual parts of downtown- the underground garages in the Theater District being a good example. Another good example would be the not yet built Mid-Main project in Midtown, which offers parking for the entire district AND retail AND residential.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wellllll cranes been up on this one for a couple days, bringing downtowns total to 5! I actually like this project in its quirky Houston Uniqueness. It should be in the going up section! Sure it's a parking garage but it's 16 stories! That's more than most apartment buildings going up haha

Edited by ClutchCity
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...
  • 1 month later...

i generally think of the parking district as the area to the southeast of this parking deck where all the surface parking lots are/were. this new parking deck and the other ones you mention are needed b/c of all the tall commercial buildings that surround them and line Louisiana (albeit this one is towards the south end of Louisiana)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

htown - I share your perception of where the traditional Parking District is (rapidly becoming was); hence my designation of this as the High Rise Parking District.  Kinda like the old Chinatown that used to be east of downtown, which was supplanted by the newer development out southwest.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 months later...
  • 1 month later...

Great stuff, but too many parking garages in this area, it need to diversify itself soon!

 

On the contrary I've always liked the idea of a concentrated downtown Parking District.  It would be nice to have all future parking garages built around here with a shuttle bus to take people elsewhere around downtown. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

On the contrary I've always liked the idea of a concentrated downtown Parking District. It would be nice to have all future parking garages built around here with a shuttle bus to take people elsewhere around downtown.

Well there's that green bus route that goes around there circling around the skyline district to the convention/ballpark district

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
  • 2 weeks later...
  • 3 weeks later...
  • 2 months later...

The garage at Methodist outpatient center is a good example

 

Yup, I park there for work. If I get there late I have to park on the 14th (highest) floor, and it doesn't take long at all to get to the top, maybe 2-3 minutes at most including two gates (unless you get stuck behind a patient who stops at literally every spot looking for parking, which can take ages). But I imagine at 5 PM on a workday leaving this garage would be a disaster.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The garage at Methodist outpatient center is a good example

interesting. I didn't realize they existed already but it makes sense for tall garages. do they have ramps along the long sides that go straight up multiple floors at a time (maybe with little turn offs at each floor) so you don't have to wind around every floor?

as for automated garages, i don't see that happening in the office district of downtown. they seem too susceptible to slow downs at 8 and 5 when a lot of people are coming and going. imagine waiting in line for the thing to retrieve your car at the end of the day. maybe if it was for residential, or under a park or something. but for office workers, i don't see an automated garage being the best fit.

maybe have a semi-automated garage? have like the lowest floors be for self parking and the upper floors have a separate entrance/exit on a different street with an automated retrieval system up the middle or whatever. sure you would lose parking space in the lower self park area, for the car retriever elevator thing, but you would lose that space anyways if it were a fully automated garage.

if there is a long line in the morning for the automated park then just do self park on a lower floor without having to worry about parking on the upper floors of a 16 story parking garage. the split would certainly diversify the garage and regulate the wait for the automated park, as everybody wouldn't be rushing out at 5pm and head straight for the car retriever. half the people could go straight to their car, on a lower more convenient floor, and be on their way home without disturbing the process of the upper floor automated parking process. i think its a pretty neat idea actually. do any semi-automated garages like that exist?

Edited by cloud713
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Zoom in on the 6th railed tier from the top.  I'm not sure about how the yellow Ferrari got up there, but...

http://gigapan.com/gigapans/48492/

 

I tried to find what the tallest parking structure in the world was, and they weren't very tall, this seems taller.

 

http://www.subwayjoyride.com/2012/08/30/not-transit-tallest-parking-garage-in-the-world/

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • The title was changed to 16-Story Parking Garage at Louisiana, Polk, Milam, Clay

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...