BigFootsSocks 2982 Posted October 11, 2015 Urb, is there a reason that the thread for this on ssp is under the Highrise/Supertall subforum? Is it even confirmed we're getting more than a midrise? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANTHONYHTOWN 156 Posted October 11, 2015 could be wrong but this sounds boring already 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CREguy13 1120 Posted October 11, 2015 Got a sneak peak of the base building design. I'll be interested to see how this forum reacts - the multi family is a high rise. 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swtsig 2630 Posted October 11, 2015 Got a sneak peak of the base building design. I'll be interested to see how this forum reacts - the multi family is a high rise.I don't think it will be particularly well received honestly... It's a good reuse of the existing structure and will include a market concept, grocer, lots of retail and even green roofs(!) but if I was a betting man I'd bet the design will leave most on here wanting more. They're working through some issues to really activate the bayou as well.My understanding is that the high rise is not part of the first phase so I'm not sure we can count on it at this point. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmitch94 1512 Posted October 11, 2015 I love when people form opinions off basically no information. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Triton 10417 Posted October 11, 2015 I don't think it will be particularly well received honestly... It's a good reuse of the existing structure and will include a market concept, grocer, lots of retail and even green roofs(!) but if I was a betting man I'd bet the design will leave most on here wanting more. They're working through some issues to really activate the bayou as well.My understanding is that the high rise is not part of the first phase so I'm not sure we can count on it at this point.My expectation is a lot of single story structures but ones that interact with each other well. I'd agree... I think most people on here want multiple highrises to wow people entering the city but I think Lovett will play well with the bayou and the future theatre district design but also bring life to an area that sorely needs it. I think if people want more City Centre type design, I think we may possibly see it at Hardy Yards or even the apartment complex that Midway bought down the road on Washington. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate4l1f3 773 Posted October 11, 2015 Got a sneak peak of the base building design. I'll be interested to see how this forum reacts - the multi family is a high rise."Interesting" doesn't necessarily translate to unanimous decision to me. I'm thinking this design will be controversial here, or many folks may be let down. Then again I'm probably reading too much into it hahahahah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houstontexasjack 1842 Posted October 11, 2015 Improving access to the bayou would be a big plus. I do not understand the phrase "market grocer." Does this refer to a mainline grocer such as HEB, Kroger, or Randall's? Or is there another type that Lovett is looking at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud713 3720 Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Improving access to the bayou would be a big plus. I do not understand the phrase "market grocer." Does this refer to a mainline grocer such as HEB, Kroger, or Randall's? Or is there another type that Lovett is looking at?He said market concept, as in like a farmers market. Followed by a grocer..Everything sounds fantastic actually.. So long as you're not expecting a bunch of grand towers then you shouldn't be let down. Anything is better than what the post office site currently is doing to interact with downtown. Edited October 11, 2015 by cloud713 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H-Town Man 3865 Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) To say that this forum will be disappointed sounds scary, since typically even when someone says we'll like it, it's often a crapshoot!I'm not expecting a world class, multi-tower, name architect development. It seems like Lovett's specialty from Sawyer Yards is creative repurposing, sort of a less-is-more approach that evokes memory and a sense of authenticity as opposed to the glitz of City Centre. More than anything I hope it brings people, not just Audis. Edited October 11, 2015 by H-Town Man 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFootsSocks 2982 Posted October 11, 2015 Of course people here will be upset. Overreactions, conspiracy theories and hot takes are all we see here now. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houstontexasjack 1842 Posted October 11, 2015 He said market concept, as in like a farmers market. Followed by a grocer..Everything sounds fantastic actually.. So long as you're not expecting a bunch of grand towers then you shouldn't be let down. Anything is better than what the post office site currently is doing to interact with downtown.Ah. Thanks for clarifying. This is what happens when I post before having my morning coffee. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmitch94 1512 Posted October 11, 2015 "Interesting" doesn't necessarily translate to unanimous decision to me. I'm thinking this design will be controversial here, or many folks may be let down. Then again I'm probably reading too much into it hahahahah The only way to get a unanimous decision on HAIF would be planning a 3 story stucco parking garage to replace a park. Other than that no one on here agrees on anything.  1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Triton 10417 Posted October 11, 2015 To say that this forum will be disappointed sounds scary, since typically even when someone says we'll like it, it's often a crapshoot!  If people were disappointed with the nice glass tower that was Amegy's new headquarters, can't imagine how people will feel when there isn't a sea of highrises here. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gene 1835 Posted October 12, 2015 all i could read were the words "game changer" and think about how some people hate that term on here haha! i cant believe no one has posted about that yet    1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samagon 2599 Posted October 12, 2015 Improving access to the bayou would be a big plus. I do not understand the phrase "market grocer." Does this refer to a mainline grocer such as HEB, Kroger, or Randall's? Or is there another type that Lovett is looking at? If I had money to bet with, I'd bet Trader Joe's is what goes in. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curbur 91 Posted October 12, 2015 More than anything I hope it brings people, not just Audis. You got a problem with my Audi? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H-Town Man 3865 Posted October 13, 2015 You got a problem with my Audi? Meant to refer to the tendency of most new construction to cater to a luxurious lifestyle, and to have Audis in the renderings. With adaptive reuse you have the opportunity to involve a less well-heeled customer, since rents aren't so high. New construction necessitates high rents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curbur 91 Posted October 14, 2015 Meant to refer to the tendency of most new construction to cater to a luxurious lifestyle, and to have Audis in the renderings. With adaptive reuse you have the opportunity to involve a less well-heeled customer, since rents aren't so high. New construction necessitates high rents. Well aware, I was just kidding. There does seem to be a stock photo of an audi inserted into almost every rendering on here. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard Huge 2315 Posted October 14, 2015 You got a problem with my Audi? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nate99 7160 Posted October 14, 2015 You got a problem with my Audi?  Stylish, fun, full of features and accordingly expensive, but more expensive than you thought it was going to be in the long run. Sounds like a pretty good analog for upscale high-rise real estate. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mab 1759 Posted October 23, 2015 The name of this development will be Central Post  http://www.colvilloffice.com/houston_portfolio.php# 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lockmat 2097 Posted October 23, 2015 The name of this development will be Central Post  http://www.colvilloffice.com/houston_portfolio.php# Good catch. What is the Park Place listed as in the "inner loop"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urbannizer 39785 Posted October 23, 2015 Good catch. What is the Park Place listed as in the "inner loop"? Park Place at Buffalo Bayou Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lockmat 2097 Posted October 23, 2015 Park Place at Buffalo Bayou Thanks. Haven't been keeping up with HAIF lately Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arisegundo 86 Posted February 4, 2016 The east side of the lot has been turned into no doubt lucrative paid parking for now. The bayou thread has me sad that there doesn't appear to be any will to ever remove the Franklin section that overhangs the bayou's north bank. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urbannizer 39785 Posted March 10, 2016 Looks like Midway will redevelop the site after all.  Quote We closed 2015 by forging a new joint venture which brings lasting and farranging ripple effects, including stewardship of an extraordinary mixed-use environment on Houston’s historic riverfront. The market-defining project requires us to carefully and thoughtfully curate an exceptional mix of uses, enlivening the property while it evolves over time. 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downtownian 469 Posted March 10, 2016 28 minutes ago, Urbannizer said: Looks like Midway will redevelop the site after all. Â I like the phrasing. "Houston historic riverfront" 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdotwill84 45 Posted March 10, 2016 This is good news right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timoric 1449 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) - Edited July 10 by Timoric add 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbates2 1017 Posted March 10, 2016 I believe that this is fantastic news. Â Midway was very interested in the property before but costs looked rough. Â Partnership must have reduced the risk. Â From what I understand, they have pretty grand plans here. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Subdude 1467 Posted March 10, 2016 "Historic riverfront" is odd phrasing, but it leads me to think they are looking at taking advantage of the bayou location. Â Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UtterlyUrban 1631 Posted March 10, 2016 IMO, the most critical part of this development will be its pedestrian connectivity to downtown. Â They are going to need to figure out how to make it fit seamlessly into downtown and crossing a busy 2 way street to do it will be the challenge. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texasota 1716 Posted March 11, 2016 Except it's not really all that busy, it's just absurdly wide. I wonder if they could convince the city to put Franklin on a diet. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbates2 1017 Posted March 11, 2016 Yeah the westbound right lane really just serves as a metro parking space a lot of the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UtterlyUrban 1631 Posted March 11, 2016 10 hours ago, Texasota said: Except it's not really all that busy, it's just absurdly wide. I wonder if they could convince the city to put Franklin on a diet. True. Â The issue becomes that if a lot of commercial development occurs here and that development draws lots of cars (city center-esque) then there will be a lot more traffic on that wide road. Â I am sure that bright designers will figure it out...... I hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJxvi 296 Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) I would not be surprised if Franklin went away.  Seems like the way to best integrate the site with everything is to get rid of the Franklin that exists now and run Washington Ave through the site to connect back up with Franklin at Lousiana/Smith intersection.  It would add commercial frontage to the development since they would have frontage on both sides of a Washington Ave ROW as opposed to only the north side of Franklin.  I would imagine that if Washington Ave could provide the same level of access as Franklin currently does, the city would be pleased to open Buffalo Bayou park and the pedestrian paths in that area up to the open sky, and those same paths could then be linked in with the post office site. Edited March 11, 2016 by JJxvi 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texasota 1716 Posted March 11, 2016 Right now Washington dead ends at a pedestrian tunnel under 45, but it certainly seems like it should be possible to re-establish its ROW there. Either way the site is much too large not to have an additional e-w street through it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronTiger 854 Posted March 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, Texasota said: Right now Washington dead ends at a pedestrian tunnel under 45, but it certainly seems like it should be possible to re-establish its ROW there. Either way the site is much too large not to have an additional e-w street through it. From the looks of it, the Washington segment was closed because the clearance of the HOV lane is too low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Discography 114 9 Posted May 6, 2016 The old downtown post office site? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunstar 536 Posted May 6, 2016 So if this is the old post office site, and this is the developer, I'm assuming we'll see this turned into a City Centre type of development? Some residential and commercial,with structures ranging 4-10 stories? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swtsig 2630 Posted May 6, 2016 either post office or their jv w/ lionstone on lionstone's office at 100 waugh 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston19514 3197 Posted May 6, 2016 What is the Lionstone/Midway JV at 100 Waugh? Not sure I've heard anything about that one.  All things considered, I think this is pretty clearly for the post office site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urbannizer 39785 Posted May 6, 2016 9 minutes ago, Houston19514 said: What is the Lionstone/Midway JV at 100 Waugh? Not sure I've heard anything about that one.    Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naviguessor 1814 Posted May 6, 2016 KBR is on the Northbank of Buffalo Bayou.  A boy can dream.... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Triton 10417 Posted July 6, 2016 On 3/9/2016 at 0:11 PM, Urbannizer said: Looks like Midway will redevelop the site after all. Â Â So Midway is not working with Lovett on this one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urbannizer 39785 Posted July 6, 2016 I guess not now but I wonder who they are doing a JV with on the KBR site, Lionstone Investments? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFootsSocks 2982 Posted July 6, 2016 What do you mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urbannizer 39785 Posted July 6, 2016 @BigFootsSocks Midway's annual report for 2015 alludes to a joint venture on the Bayou, therefore I thought it was the post office site. Lionstone Investments is currently working with Midway on a number a projects so they may be working together on the KBR site as well. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston19514 3197 Posted July 6, 2016 It's possible Midway is doing both. The 2015 annual report discussion may very well refer to the post office site. It seems the purchase of the KBR property likely occurred after the annual report went to print. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites