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If they go with this concept but build a couple of residential high-rises in the surface lots, this could be amazing.  Unfortunately I think that the residential would need to come online at the same time or before for this to truly be successful.

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7 hours ago, Urbannizer said:

Website is now password protected until the big reveal later today

 

https://posthtx.com



The site is back online with clearer, higher res renderings that were posted by Houston Chronicle this morning. The media event started not long ago.

There is also an updated leasing brochure.

Update: Sorry didn't see the other post about the site back online.

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On 5/24/2019 at 9:02 AM, CrockpotandGravel said:

Here are a few updated images and renderings of Post Houston ( or Post , Post HTX ). This is the adaptive reuse of the old Barbara Jordan US Post Office in downtown Houston at 401 Franklin. The project is from Lovett Commercial ( Frank Liu and Kirby Liu ) , possibly designed by Rem Koolhaas' Office for Metropolitan Architecture ( OMA ) .

These are all from screenshots from a recent video spotlighting Kirby Liu of Lovett Commercial.

These may or may not be updated renderings. It's possible, these could be older, but the video these screenshots were taken from is recent. The video was uploaded this month.

A site model of Post Houston ( or Post , Post HTX ).


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So the site map shown in the Kirby Liu video last month is recent. It's on the updated POST Houston ( forumer Barbara Jordan post office in downtown Houston, 401 Franklin):

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On 5/24/2019 at 9:02 AM, CrockpotandGravel said:

Here are a few updated images and renderings of Post Houston ( or Post , Post HTX ). This is the adaptive reuse of the old Barbara Jordan US Post Office in downtown Houston at 401 Franklin. The project is from Lovett Commercial ( Frank Liu and Kirby Liu ) , possibly designed by Rem Koolhaas' Office for Metropolitan Architecture ( OMA ) .

These are all from screenshots from a recent video spotlighting Kirby Liu of Lovett Commercial.

These may or may not be updated renderings. It's possible, these could be older, but the video these screenshots were taken from is recent. The video was uploaded this month.

A site model of Post Houston ( or Post , Post HTX ).
Updated renderings of Post or Post Houston of Post HTX


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Food Hall at Post Houston ( or Post HTX , Post )

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These previous renderings shown in the Kirby Liu video last month are also in the updated leasing brochure.

 

 

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From the leasing brochure:

 

Site Plan

Designed by the Office of Metropolitan Architecture (OMA), POST will be anchored around three distinct districts - the X, the O and the Z atriums. These three atriums, excavated from the existing structural grid, will bring light into the depth of the building. Each atrium will be covered with an ETFE roof system (the first in Houston) and defined by unique monumental staircases linking the different layers of the building, culminating in an expansive 210,000 sf. rooftop park and farm.


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I think the saying is "retail follows rooftops."  There is more residential Downtown and additional units might go up near here (looking at you Chase Motor Bank site at Milam), but this projects looks like it would require a very substantial amount of foot traffic to be viable.   Could it be more of a touristy market a la Pike Place Market in Seattle as @H-Town Man alluded?  With the Theater District nearby, it's a possibility. 

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1 minute ago, jermh said:

I'm not sure if the construction fencing is new, but I've never noticed it before. Also, they're  now flying a flag that matches the logo on the website.

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That's 100% new. Just parked there the other day for Pride and none of that was there. 

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1 hour ago, Timoric said:

Could some large indoor entertainment rooms work? - laser tag, a movie theater, indoor skydiving, Lifetime Fitness, a rock climbing place, a trampoline or blow up birthday party joint, and an ice skating rink to name a few - you do see those places in business parks, this ain't that different

 

I was thinking if there was a mattress store they could rent them out to slide down all those cool stairs.... 😮💡‼️

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Don't forget that this was listed on the National Register of Historic Places when ownership was transferred.


My guess is that this first phase will take full advantage of state and federal tax credits.

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If they don't make this look more interesting from the front it will be El Mercado del Sol 2.0. I wonder if a walkway from the bayou that goes under Franklin could be built?

 

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52 minutes ago, jermh said:

I'm not sure if the construction fencing is new, but I've never noticed it before. Also, they're  now flying a flag that matches the logo on the website.

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It is. I saw it earlier on Instagram Stories, but didn't think it was something people here would want to see since it's a photo of the building with their flag & logo.


Here are the IG photos:

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2 hours ago, urbanize713 said:

Yes it is something new and hopefully it succeeds but this is terribly underwhelming. 

 

I say this for 3 reasons. 

1. Hanover Buffalo Bayou

2. The Allen

3. Regent Square for god sake!

 

Like the three projects above, this fronts the bayou/park and is actually in downtown. In my humble opinion, I would prefer for Lovett to sell (at a profit) and for a developer with a bigger vision(and pockets) to come along. Even if it sits vacant for a couple more years. 

I would like to think residential may come after this is completed.  I hope...

 

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Looks like some of the office space is already leased... Perhaps Lovett is moving their HQ here? Would be a smart move IMO...

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I wish they could generate some kind of architectural change with the roof maybe create a different silhouette. A small pocket may open up after the highway realignment? For residential maybe? I wish they could augment this development to include residential and better access. Someone mentioned a Franklin Street reroute or something, that would be interesting.

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1 minute ago, ZRFkris said:

If they took the railroad out they could put residential behind it 

 

Another good reason to wait on other phases. The reroute needs to get finalized. The possible realignment of the railroad needs to get finalized. Lots of moving pieces beyond this projects control, but could affect it later. No doubt they pursue whatever surrounding land will be available after theses move pieces settle down.

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So no planned interaction with the bayou or bike path? As is,  I have a hard time seeing a casual visitor to Market Square making the (short) walk to this site.........not a very pedestrian friendly environment.  

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I have faith, some people knocked the idea of discovery green at first, this could be another jewel for downtown. I wonder how long this development will take.

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I have a hard time believing this got funding.  Something like this could work in the middle of downtown or midtown, but this location is an island without any foot traffic.  This will be less successful than Greenstreet.  

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I like it aside from the parking lots. The one in downtown Dallas is always packed but has better access to residential and no massive parking lots.

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Just for reference, Market Square Tower is a seven minute walk to POST. Lyric Market is a five minute walk.

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It is a shame this project doesn’t have multi family. In an ideal world, this project would include a couple of apartment towers and turn the warehouse into an HEB and maybe a small office component.

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7 hours ago, Luminare said:

 

Another good reason to wait on other phases. The reroute needs to get finalized. The possible realignment of the railroad needs to get finalized. Lots of moving pieces beyond this projects control, but could affect it later. No doubt they pursue whatever surrounding land will be available after theses move pieces settle down.

 

I am still so excited for this realignment and hope the city makes it a reality. We really need to move that railroad track as the Planning Commission proposed.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Triton said:

 

 

I am still so excited for this realignment and hope the city makes it a reality. We really need to move that railroad track as the Planning Commission proposed.

 

 

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There is definitely space for residential fronting the freeway behind the post office 👀

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7 hours ago, ZRFkris said:

There is definitely space for residential fronting the freeway behind the post office 👀

 

It is hard to sell apartments next to a freeway. Witness the failure of the converted highrise on Bagby and Congress two blocks south of the post office. As far as I'm aware, no one has since tried to revive it in 15 years despite its great views of the skyline. It is smarter to wait until the freeway is moved and build a higher quality product.

 

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15 hours ago, ZRFkris said:

I have faith, some people knocked the idea of discovery green at first, this could be another jewel for downtown. I wonder how long this development will take.

it will be complete by next summer

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Am I missing something?

Can't there be multiple phases to this property?

I mean there is significant surface lot space that can one day be turned into multi-story residential / office / hotel, etc.

I know it's not in the plan now, and a KBR-site-like complete redesign would be nice.... but what's being proposed is actually WAYYYYYY better than post office.

 

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20 hours ago, urbanize713 said:

Yes it is something new and hopefully it succeeds but this is terribly underwhelming. 

 

I say this for 3 reasons. 

1. Hanover Buffalo Bayou

2. The Allen

3. Regent Square for god sake!

 

Like the three projects above, this fronts the bayou/park and is actually in downtown. In my humble opinion, I would prefer for Lovett to sell (at a profit) and for a developer with a bigger vision(and pockets) to come along. Even if it sits vacant for a couple more years. 

 

This has an access problem those places don't have. Casual shoppers will think of driving to this location next to downtown and all the freeway spaghetti and get psyched out. They need to look into putting some really good directional signage on Washington Avenue, Houston Avenue, maybe even Memorial Drive/Texas coming into downtown to make it easy for westsiders to get here. Not sure what is possible with the signage laws.

 

I got a little pessimistic thinking about this last night. There needs to be some kind of exclamation point to draw people in, so that it doesn't just seem like a larger food hall with a rooftop garden next to a freeway. I wonder if building an observation tower here is feasible. It's a perfect location and would draw people from all over the city, who will then stop by the market hall and rooftop garden.

 

 

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To me, Lovett is trying to make a quick buck by doing a quick-turnaround, relatively cheap warehouse makeover and selling it as a state-of-the-art pushing-the-envelop urban space.  It is typical for Houston developers.  Safe, unimaginative, and unmemorable.  I think it’s comical (or sad, depending on how you look at it) that the most aggressive innovator in this city is from Australia!  

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16 hours ago, talltexan83 said:

So no planned interaction with the bayou or bike path? As is,  I have a hard time seeing a casual visitor to Market Square making the (short) walk to this site.........not a very pedestrian friendly environment.  

 

I've made that walk before when it was a post office, and it feels about as unfriendly as a downtown street with sidewalks can - there's no shade, multiple wide streets with a lot of cars, and not much on the way.  The large parking lot just makes it worse than it would already be if it was right against Franklin

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2 hours ago, MarathonMan said:

To me, Lovett is trying to make a quick buck by doing a quick-turnaround, relatively cheap warehouse makeover and selling it as a state-of-the-art pushing-the-envelop urban space.  It is typical for Houston developers.  Safe, unimaginative, and unmemorable.  I think it’s comical (or sad, depending on how you look at it) that the most aggressive innovator in this city is from Australia!  

How I see it is safe keeps the lights on.

Houston got to how it is over 200 years; it is not going to be how many of us want it to be over 20 years. Give it time. If this phase takes off we can definitely go further.

 

Sometimes we have to think big and other times we have to think smart. A development like Greenstreet did neither.

 

In these times a downtown doesn't mean the same as it did when cities were cities. We have a constant population density 20+ miles in every direction from this thing. A fraction of the population will ever do more than drive past it on the highway. Yes more people are moving to downtown and around it, but we don't have that active core that we all dream about.

 

We need more of a collaboration of developers and encouragement from the city to tie it all together. Hoping that one developer gets out and the others follow is a risk that is kind of unfair to expect one developer to carry. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Let's hope that that Australian is super successful. 

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3 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

There needs to be some kind of exclamation point to draw people in, so that it doesn't just seem like a larger food hall with a rooftop garden next to a freeway. I wonder if building an observation tower here is feasible. It's a perfect location and would draw people from all over the city, who will then stop by the market hall and rooftop garden.

 

 

 

Now thats an idea!

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1 hour ago, Timoric said:

I would put this old used stuff here.

 

1. Blimp and Garage

2. Scoreboard

3. Space Needle

4. Saturn V Rocket but have it standing up

5. Battleship Texas (drydocked)

 

Problem Solved

 

 

 

 

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You joke, but f.u.c.k. it. Lets upright the ole saturn v and really go all space city! That would be awesome to have an observation deck in the apollo capsule.

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8 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

 

It is hard to sell apartments next to a freeway. Witness the failure of the converted highrise on Bagby and Congress two blocks south of the post office. As far as I'm aware, no one has since tried to revive it in 15 years despite its great views of the skyline. It is smarter to wait until the freeway is moved and build a higher quality product.

 

 

Not here.

 

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2 hours ago, invisibletrees said:

 

Not here.

 

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Hard, not impossible. Easier when they are low budget rather than high quality.

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1 hour ago, Tumbleweed_Tx said:

this site floods, so this is the best you'll get here.

 

Site work can just raise the elevation.

 

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On 6/28/2019 at 5:12 PM, invisibletrees said:

 

Not here.

 

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They can build residential towers with garage on the bottom floors and apts above which won't be right at freeway level but above it.  

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55 minutes ago, htownbro said:

They can build residential towers with garage on the bottom floors and apts above which won't be right at freeway level but above it.  

 

It's still a stigma. You'll have a hard time renting the lower floors above the freeway. And people walk the dog, etc., so outside environment matters.

 

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On 6/29/2019 at 9:02 AM, Fortune said:

This is a renovation. Why is it in the Going Up section?

 

More phases to come. This was recently confirmed via their Facebook page.

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Just now, Urbannizer said:

 

More phases to come. This was recently confirmed via their Facebook page.

 

hope those phases include residential!

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