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On 12/7/2022 at 4:34 PM, mattyt36 said:

2:08 into the video

”Financially supported the largest rooftop garden in America”

I’d love to know specifically what that means.

I imagine they are referring to the assistance they gave to the project.  I cannot find it now, but I recall there was a brief discussion on this forum about the public assistance provided to this project.

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6 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

I imagine they are referring to the assistance they gave to the project.

Indeed.  Or else it would really be a strange thing to say in such a presentation.

Again, I'm not complaining or questioning the wisdom of such support--I'm just wondering to what degree.  Maybe it was peanuts, but the video highlights were presumably about things Central Houston, etc. did in 2022, and POST officially opened in 2021.  This to me would imply some sort of operating subsidy/grant/tax abatement.

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It’s a good question for sure. I see POST mentioned quite in the DRA (I think?) meetings. 

I finally tried Andes Cafe recently! It was so good! I love tequeños, and theirs are pretty good. Not to mention their ceviche was off the chain. (I had their pescado ceviche) I think they’re my number 1 favorite now. 

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Does anyone know the status of (or if there even still is) Phase 2 for POST Houston? I know in the original plans, there was going to be a highrise and a hotel portion, but it also seemed like that might be contingent on Phase 1 being successful. Do any of our more plugged-in posters have any insights they can share with us? Is this the final extent of POST, or is there still more to come?

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i would like to know as well! i was hoping to see this fill up quicker than it has btw...the building has some incredible spaces and slowly but surely it seems various business are moving in...just cannot wait to see it full!

i do love and have been going to all of the various events that Post puts on... https://www.facebook.com/coffeeandcars/ is always a blast on the first Saturday of each month so make sure to check that out. But yes, i feel like this has reached maybe 1/2 of it's potential so hope to see this place grow (and expand if possible!).

and while i am commenting i guess i will throw in the obligatory: 713 Music Hall ( https://www.posthtx.com/music ) is the onsite venue as you know, and what better way to check it out then at my best friends band's 2 shows in a row they are having there in April! 🤪 (  https://www.blueoctober.com/ : April 7th is selling out fast, and April 8th is sold out! so get your tickets soon!)) See ya there! 

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5 minutes ago, BeerNut said:

I think the original plan was to convert the "tower" into an office.  With the current glut of office space hopefully they turn it into residential. 

It'll be interesting to see what direction they go in their next phases - more of an "enclosed" neighborhoody feel (like East River) or more suburbanite-friendly like the current layout.

But my bet is that no matter what direction they go, the next thing they'll do is build a parking garage.

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3 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

I thought the original plan for the "tower" was hotel.

You're right supposed to be a boutique hotel.  

14 minutes ago, 004n063 said:

But my bet is that no matter what direction they go, the next thing they'll do is build a parking garage.

I hope not.  There is parking in the area if you walk a couple of blocks.  

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2 minutes ago, BeerNut said:

You're right supposed to be a boutique hotel.  

I hope not.  There is parking in the area if you walk a couple of blocks.  

I would assume they'd want to develop the current parking lots into something more space-efficient long-term, but would want to preserve the easy access for drivers.

Obviously my own selfish preference woukd be that they just develop the land without replacing the parking spots, but I don't think there's any chance of that.

And honestly, this is a regional "tourist" draw, and we have basically no regional transit. I'm fine with a big garage here, at MinuteMaid, at GRB/DG, and at Ion (I've come around on that one). It's the soul-sucking non-mixed-use south Downtown garages - and the adjacent surface parking lots - that really depress me. 

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1 hour ago, BeerNut said:

The people that probably complain the most are people from the suburbs that can't find parking by the entrance.

Well, yeah. And like you, I'd personally rather that POST focus on trying to really be a part of Downtown, emphasizing walking connections and deemphasizing suburban style drive-right-up parking. But I don't see that happening. While I know for a fact that there are some Downtown businessfolks who do walking meetings to and from POST, I still think that it, like the Aquarium and MinuteMaid, draws most (or at least a huge chunk of) of its business from suburbanites who will view immediately adjacent parking as a borderline necessity. (Heck, they already complain about having to pay!)

Again, I'd love for it not to develop in such a car-centric way, but I just don't see that happening. And a garage - especially a mixed-use garage - is better than the acres of surface parking that moat it now.

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5 hours ago, steve1363 said:

So now we are demonizing “suburbanites.”  I guess it’s human nature to want to feel superior to someone.  🤮

I wouldn't call it demonizing, but I'm sorry for offending you.

The reality of life in Houston, however, is that a lot of the steps many of us want the city to take toward urbanization are held back by the tendency to constantly cater to a car-centrism that is very suburban in nature. 

The truth is, we're pretty much all pretty much suburbanites, because the whole city is pretty much a suburb.

But when we use the term derogatorily, it's to refer to those who insist we keep it that way.

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6 hours ago, 004n063 said:

I wouldn't call it demonizing, but I'm sorry for offending you.

The reality of life in Houston, however, is that a lot of the steps many of us want the city to take toward urbanization are held back by the tendency to constantly cater to a car-centrism that is very suburban in nature. 

The truth is, we're pretty much all pretty much suburbanites, because the whole city is pretty much a suburb.

But when we use the term derogatorily, it's to refer to those who insist we keep it that way.

I’m not offended and I wasn’t calling you out specifically.  I’m a proponent for open dialogue and there are always multiple points of view.  A dialogue is more productive when we don’t demonize.  Based on my observations many of the people who comment on these forums don’t live downtown (the only true “urban“ environment in Houston) and they are not car-less or mass transit users either.  Again, I realize this doesn’t apply to you (or Cuevas and a few others)!  
 

I haven’t made it to Post Houston yet but I’m anxious to visit when time allows.

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On 2/21/2023 at 11:21 AM, steve1363 said:

I’m not offended and I wasn’t calling you out specifically.  I’m a proponent for open dialogue and there are always multiple points of view.  A dialogue is more productive when we don’t demonize.  Based on my observations many of the people who comment on these forums don’t live downtown (the only true “urban“ environment in Houston) and they are not car-less or mass transit users either.  Again, I realize this doesn’t apply to you (or Cuevas and a few others)!  
 

I haven’t made it to Post Houston yet but I’m anxious to visit when time allows.

I don't agree that downtown is the ONLY urban part of Houston. There are many urban neighborhoods in this city that are only getting more urban with time, but I do understand your point. On my walks through Upper Kirby on any regular day of the work week, you can def tell who lives in inner city Houston and who doesn't. 

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