POST: 401 Franklin Post Office Site Redevelopment

[Texasota]

I think a lot of it is the market hall itself. This listing seems to be for more permanent separate spaces.

[J Money]

1 hour ago, H-Town Man said:

 

I would have thought that a lot of the white area on Level I would have been retail. Do we know what it is, exactly? The areas devoted to retail don't seem that big, considering the grand market hall concept. Maybe they are just doing it in phases since that is a lot of retail space to fill all at once.

 

 

Also the portion on the right/east on level 1+2 is the proposed concert venue, I believe. 

Is the basement usable space? 

[H-Town Man]

6 minutes ago, Texasota said:

I think a lot of it is the market hall itself. This listing seems to be for more permanent separate spaces.

 

Yes, I'm seeing that now. The white section next to the blue section on the left looks like it has a lot of kiosks and small vendor spaces, while the central section where you enter seems like it has maybe larger vendor spaces. You can also see the skylights outlined, which are really like wells going through all floors of the building. The office people will be able to look down and see the market hall below. I'm looking forward to this!

 

[mattyt36]

We have gone from having relatively few public recreational areas to having so many on the drawing board that I shudder to think of the long-term implications regarding upkeep. (Not necessarily with this one, as it will be privately operated, but in the same vein I question their business model.)

 

With all that is conceptual on the drawing board for downtown and environs, I hate to say it but it seems like total overkill. Some concepts include cap parks from 45-10/59 interchange to the Spur, along with a “High Line” on the Pierce Elevated. And the downtown master plan includes the “Green Necklace” (or whatever it’s called) circling the inner core of downtown. And whatever East River is going to try to do. Certainly looks beautiful on paper but good Lord (1) how will such acreage be “populated”; and (2) who the hell is going to maintain it?

 

I guess, though, if I had to choose between this and how things were 20 years ago in re lack of imagination, I’d choose now. 

[swtsig]

8 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

We have gone from having relatively few public recreational areas to having so many on the drawing board that I shudder to think of the long-term implications regarding upkeep. (Not necessarily with this one, as it will be privately operated, but in the same vein I question their business model.)

 

With all that is conceptual on the drawing board for downtown and environs, I hate to say it but it seems like total overkill. Some concepts include cap parks from 45-10/59 interchange to the Spur, along with a “High Line” on the Pierce Elevated. And the downtown master plan includes the “Green Necklace” (or whatever it’s called) circling the inner core of downtown. And whatever East River is going to try to do. Certainly looks beautiful on paper but good Lord (1) how will such acreage be “populated”; and (2) who the hell is going to maintain it?

 

I guess, though, if I had to choose between this and how things were 20 years ago in re lack of imagination, I’d choose now. 

 

Mine of the best features of a city like London is that it is awash w parks, many quite large, that make enjoying and traversing the city quite spectacular. Houston, especially central Houston,

lacks natural reprieves from the concrete... I fully support surrounding downtown w a green oasis. 

[kbates2]

While we have a number of parks, many of them are over-programmed as is and so adding more could spread that programming around.  Market Square Park basically only opens their lawn for events now which sucks if you want to just enjoy it as a neighboring resident.  With a few less events (and maybe smarter programming) they could leave it open more of the time.

[thatguysly]

I like that it claims 360 degree views of downtown but in reality downtown is only on one side of the project.

[H-Town Man]

12 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

We have gone from having relatively few public recreational areas to having so many on the drawing board that I shudder to think of the long-term implications regarding upkeep. (Not necessarily with this one, as it will be privately operated, but in the same vein I question their business model.)

 

With all that is conceptual on the drawing board for downtown and environs, I hate to say it but it seems like total overkill. Some concepts include cap parks from 45-10/59 interchange to the Spur, along with a “High Line” on the Pierce Elevated. And the downtown master plan includes the “Green Necklace” (or whatever it’s called) circling the inner core of downtown. And whatever East River is going to try to do. Certainly looks beautiful on paper but good Lord (1) how will such acreage be “populated”; and (2) who the hell is going to maintain it?

 

I guess, though, if I had to choose between this and how things were 20 years ago in re lack of imagination, I’d choose now. 

 

I think this is only an issue if they are all developed too quickly, i.e. if the whole Pierce Elevated were torn down today and made into a park, you would definitely have some homeless inhabitation. But as a longterm vision I do think we need lots of green around downtown, esp. as Houston is perceived as such a "concrete" city. Chicago, Boston, and Austin are examples of cities where the parks really grace and enhance the center city. Houston needs it all the more due to the lack of a waterfront.

 

 

[ZRFkris]

There is plenty of room to build dense and any development that embraces green space is planning for the future and trying to set a better example. I want a couple of world class green spaces to add to downtown area. 

[j_cuevas713]

On 8/14/2019 at 11:26 AM, H-Town Man said:

 

I think this is only an issue if they are all developed too quickly, i.e. if the whole Pierce Elevated were torn down today and made into a park, you would definitely have some homeless inhabitation. But as a longterm vision I do think we need lots of green around downtown, esp. as Houston is perceived as such a "concrete" city. Chicago, Boston, and Austin are examples of cities where the parks really grace and enhance the center city. Houston needs it all the more due to the lack of a waterfront.

 

 

May have a waterfront in about 10 years lol jk

[CrockpotandGravel]

A bunch of content, posts, renderings posted in this thread from me over the years were removed in the mass deletion of over five years worth of content from me. I wasn't able to save much from this thread, but did save this post I made back in March.


The post speculated  a restaurant from Paul Qui is likely opening at Post HTX or Post Houston ( or maybe  it's  Post). This is the site of the former Barbara Jordan U.S. Post Office at 401 Franklin St in downtown Houston. I later posted in May about a Qui & Kirby Lui (developer with Lovett Commerical) out together and it could be a sign Qui is signing on for a spot at Post HTX (a post Eater Houston picked up and reported):











 

Well, I was right. Qui announced on Instagram yesterday of plans to open a new restaurant at Post.




Here's more from Eater Houston this morning:

 

After months of rumors that Paul Qui’s had a comeback in the works, the embattled chef has officially announced that he’ll open a new eatery at the forthcoming Post HTX food hall.
 

Qui made the announcement on Instagram on Thursday, but didn’t provide a whole lot of insight into what the restaurant will look like. At this point, all that’s known is that he’s working on a concept for the forthcoming 550,000 square foot Post HTX food hall project that’s currently under development inside the Barbara Jordan Post Office building in the Theatre District. That said, when Qui closed his Montrose restaurant Aqui in December 2018, the chef promised that he’d be back, and announced plans for a forthcoming restaurant that will serve “Filipino bites to be shared among friends.”

Back in May, Qui was spotted dining around Houston with superstar chef Alex Atala and developer Kirby Liu, whose company Lovett Commercial is helming the Post HTX project. When Post HTX was announced in June, Lovett Commercial didn’t share any details on which chefs would be involved, but rumors that Qui was involved with the project persisted. 

...Beyond “coming soon,” Qui hasn’t announced a timeline for the new restaurant’s arrival. 


https://houston.eater.com/2019/11/15/20966040/paul-qui-opening-houston-restaurant-post-htx-food-hall


 

Edited November 15, 2019 by CrockpotandGravel

[Texasota]

I don't know that there's much new here, but it gives some info on the funding mechanisms used to do this project:

 

https://ntcic.com/news-blog/post-houston-closing/

 

Quote:

To capitalize the development, which anticipates completing construction in late 2020, the project sponsor used a variety of financing tools, including $23.7 million in federal HTC equity supported by NTCIC, additional state tax credits, Opportunity Zone equity, and low-cost EB-5 debt. Project financing also included NMTC allocation provided by Capital One Community Renewal Fund, PeopleFund, MBS Urban Initiatives CDE, and Prestamos with Capital One, N.A as NMTC Investor.

[2ndwardOG]

Insane to think my father in law as many others walked these halls for many years sorting mail now this will be happening. Cant wait to see it once it is complete.

[Sunstar]

On 8/1/2018 at 7:41 PM, Purdueenginerd said:

 

There is a portion of the building towards the front that was designed and constructed in the 1930's. If you look at the curved drive-in ramp of the structure, you'll see the original 1930's portion of the structure. Ive attached a screen shot of the site from 1944 to 2017. You'll see the original 1930's building in both images. 

 

 

 

Found this old aerial of Grand Central. I can't make out that old post office building in this photo. If it was built back in the 30s, it should be visible in this picture, slightly to the east and right behind that other building. 

 

 

 

 

[Ross]

20 minutes ago, Sunstar said:

 

Found this old aerial of Grand Central. I can't make out that old post office building in this photo. If it was built back in the 30s, it should be visible in this picture, slightly to the east and right behind that other building. 

 

 

 

 

It would be far enough to the right to be off of the picture.

[Sunstar]

28 minutes ago, Ross said:

It would be far enough to the right to be off of the picture.

 

I thought so too at first, but I pulled this aerial from 1962 not long before Grand Central Station was torn down and you can see the western edge of the building comes very close. Maybe it's a newer section that was added to the original structure later on. Sorry about the copyright markings, I can take this photo down if needs be. 

 

 

This is a very interesting site, Houston has had a train depot here pretty much back to the beginning:'

 

 

 

 

In this photo you can see the old Brazos hotel across Washington Ave, which was later torn down to make room for the last Grand Central Station:

 

[Highrise Tower]

60th floor view.

 

[hindesky]

Crane was on site flying up material.

 

[Highrise Tower]

13th floor view.

 

[West Timer]

Nice photo. But what a waste of prime real estate.

[htownbro]

moo.  doesn't look like much.

Edited January 30, 2020 by htownbro
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[Avossos]

they really need a 8-12 story residential building here...

[Twinsanity02]

19 minutes ago, Avossos said:

they really need a 8-12 story residential building here...

The residence would have a great skyline view, a park, and close access to the Theater district.

[cloud713]

On 1/30/2020 at 9:12 AM, Twinsanity02 said:

The residence would have a great skyline view, a park, and close access to the Theater district.

And connect the amenity deck to the roof top park for direct access for the residents

[Urbannizer]

 

[hindesky]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/Frank-Liu-s-big-bets-on-urban-living-pay-off-15053303.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HC_AfternoonReport&utm_term=news&utm_content=headlines#photo-19026905

 

Frank Liu had an opportunity in 2001 to buy 109 acres in a working class section of Spring Branch for an enviable price: just over $1 per square foot. Yet he wasn’t immediately convinced the then-rough-and-tumble neighborhood — far off the radar of most Houston builders — would be the right spot for an upscale residential development.

So he got in his car, day after day, and drove the area, passing overgrown lots and rusty warehouses.

“At first I just didn’t quite fully get it,” Liu said on a recent tour of the property. “But then all of a sudden I realized when you have 109 acres it helps create that sense of community — even in a transitional area.”

 

He bought the land, waited several years, and started developing it slowly and in phases. He hired a prominent architect to design a plan for the property and a “modern farmhouse” aesthetic for the homes, which have porches in the front and garages in the back, accessible by alleys. The first homes there sold for around $200,000 less than a decade ago.

On HoustonChronicle.com: Former Barbara Jordan Post Office to be reborn as mixed-use project

There are about 190 homes on the site today, selling for as much as $600,000 in the newest phase of the project.

Liu, 63, has repeated this formula in other parts of town. He’s focused on neighborhoods in and around the 610 Loop where he could buy large enough parcels, by urban standards at least, to fashion miniature master-planned communities complete with dog parks, jogging trails and swimming pools.

 

Over the past two decades, his company, InTown Homes, has built thousands of three- and four-story homes and townhomes in EaDo, South Main, Cottage Grove, Spring Branch and other close-in neighborhoods. Liu was often the first to go into these areas with new housing that pushed the limits on prices Houstonians had historically been willing to pay.

“Really it’s Frank more than anybody else that convinced people we could have the kind of urban real estate environment we have today,” real estate analyst Scott Davis said. “He was the one who convinced people it could work at scale.”

College ties

Born in Taiwan, Liu, who owns a trio of real estate companies — InTown Homes, Lovett Commercial and Lovett Homes — moved to Vietnam a few years later when his father took a job as a textile engineer. He came to the United States in 1971 and to Houston two years later. Liu attended Rice University, graduating in 1978 with a civil engineering degree.

In 1980, Liu and his college roommate started Lovett Homes, named after their dormitory at Rice. Lovett Commercial was founded in 1995 followed by InTown Homes in 2003 to focus on high-density housing in emerging neighborhoods.

 

The companies have developed upwards of $3 billion in projects, including housing, shopping centers, offices and industrial buildings, throughout Texas.

Chris Weekley, executive vice president at David Weekley Homes, which builds in many of the same markets as InTown Homes, began working in Houston’s urban real estate market about a decade ago. At that time, he recalls, the big names were Perry Homes and Frank Liu.

“I would say there’s no doubt Frank and his team opened up various parts of the city and proved up areas,” Weekley said.

He also noted Liu’s vast amount of real estate holdings and his ability to hold property for future development.

 

“Through whatever means, he’s been able to hold land over the long term,” Weekley said. “We are buying something in today’s prices hopefully to sell homes in a year.”

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In an industry known for promoters and big personalities, Liu’s style is comparatively modest. He often speaks to student groups but rarely gives interviews, preferring to stay out of the public spotlight.

“The young people talked me into doing this,” he said of a recent interview during the tour of his Spring Branch project, called Kolbe Farms.

 

It’s gotten harder in recent years to keep such a low profile. In 2016 his family’s philanthropic foundation donated $16.5 million to Rice, launching the Liu Idea Lab for Innovation and Entrepreneurship. The lab is an on-campus collaborative workspace space for students, faculty and staff that hosts lectures, competitions and workshops.

Expanded ambitions

In 2015, he was the winning bidder on the downtown post office property, a 16-acre complex on the north edge of downtown that’s being transformed into an array of mixed uses: culinary market, shops, coworking space, concert venue, hotel and rooftop farm. By repurposing the 57-year-old building, a state historical landmark, Lovett was able to earn federal and state historic tax credits.

It’s likely Liu’s most ambitious project yet. He tapped OMA, an international architecture partnership founded by Pritzker Prize-winning architect Rem Koolhaas, and Hoerr Schaudt, the Chicago-based landscape architects behind Houston’s McGovern Centennial Park, to design it. Liu’s son, Kirby Liu, is leading the project, called POST Houston.

The developer’s more recent investments have made headlines too.

 

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He spent $10 million late last year to buy the Farmer Brothers coffee plant in the East End, just south of Navigation where Turkey Bend curves off Buffalo Bayou. Liu hasn’t revealed what his plans are for the six-acre site, but it’s likely a ways off. The coffee maker stuck a deal to lease back the property for three years.

The timing could align with the planned revitalization of Buffalo Bayou east of downtown. The Buffalo Bayou Partnership last fall announced a master plan for the eastern section of the waterway. Turkey Bend, near the coffee plant, is one of several sites the Partnership plans to repurpose into an arts and events facility, a boating center and gathering spaces.

Spring Branch boom

Back in Spring Branch, InTown Homes has broken ground on another large project called Avondale. The development has been designed to include 165 homes, each with a contemporary architectural style.

The homes, which start in the low $300,000s, have flat or metal roofs with large overhangs, oversize picture windows and brick, stucco, cinder block and corrugated metal siding.

 

Liu is hoping the modern designs will be attractive to Houstonians. A similar project in Austin, he said, was one of his most successful.

Spring Branch has boomed over the last five to 10 years and competition has picked up among builders adding new homes catering to families and millennials who can’t afford inner-loop real estate.

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Liu said he emphasizes design as a way to set him apart.

 

“Warren Buffet always says you don’t want to be in the commodity business. The commodity business is basically dog eat dog. You just compete on price,” he said. “You want to have something a little bit different. If someone really likes this feel, guess what, there’s not too many choices for them out there.”

Competitive advantage

Liu’s flexibility has offered other advantages.

In 2010, he negotiated a deal with the city of Houston to be reimbursed $20 million in public infrastructure improvements to three future residential sites, including Kolbe Farms. The agreement was part of a statewide economic development program in which reimbursement dollars come from the the incremental property taxes the projects create. So if the homes are never built or enough taxes aren't generated, the developer is not reimbursed.

Those kinds of deals take time and patience most builders don’t have, Weekley said.

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Davis, president of Houston-based Location Strategy, has followed local builders for much of his career. He compares Liu’s vision to that of Houston real estate legends whose careers were defined by their some of their biggest professional risks: George Mitchell, founder of The Woodlands; Frank Sharp, developer of Sharpstown; and Ed Wulfe, who transformed Meyerland Plaza.

“There’s the kind of developer we refer to as a promoter; someone who has crazy ideas no one think will work but by their sheer will they can get it done. And Frank is not that kind of guy,” Davis said. “Frank’s projects are organized and planned and reasonable. There are no smoke and mirrors.”

‘Uniquely Houston’

Angela Blanchard, president emerita of BakerRipley, a community development organization, got to know Liu when he developed the group’s new home in the East End.

She said his story is uniquely Houston.

“He didn’t arrive with a trust fund or somebody that was going to bankroll anything he came up with,” she said.

Blanchard, a senior fellow in International and Public Affairs at Brown University’s Watson Institute, invited Liu to speak at Brown last fall. The presentation was called Urban Social Policy Meets Real-World Capitalism. In an environment where society’s capitalistic ills are heavily scrutinized, she said, Liu’s talk was well received.

“I’m sure he has his critics, every developer does,” Blanchard said. “But his is a true Houston entrepreneurial story — capitalist at its core. A man and a company evolving in response to a fast growing, dynamic region.”

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[Highrise Tower]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9XyCAKp4rS/

 

 

 

[gene]

wowsa! cool photos @ekdrm2d1 !!!

 

[jermh]

 

 

[jermh]

This gives a bit of context to the holes that they're punching.

[hindesky]

I've seen the crane while driving on the Pierce Elevated.

[TheSirDingle]

FAA Permit:https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=436562119&row=16

A decently sized crane is coming up. 

 

Structure Type: Crane 

Structure Name: Post HTX Crane

Structure Height: 300 Ft

Work Schedule: 4/15/2020 to 12/24/2020

[brijonmang]

Sorry this is from the end of March...just getting around to uploading them:

 

[Brooklyn173]

[hindesky]

[Fortune]

All of that parking lot . . . ridiculous!

[downtownian]

12 hours ago, Fortune said:

All of that parking lot . . . ridiculous!

 

If it wasn’t for the garden on top, I would have guessed that was a mall with the taller building in front an anchor department store. 

[EllenOlenska]

I'm really of two minds on this one. I like a lot about it but it also makes me hope for additional phases. 

[sdotwill84]

womp womp womp

[Fortune]

The fact that Post HTX included the word "mall' in their post tells you how behind this developer is. No one wants to hear the word mall in 2020.

[Moore713]

34 minutes ago, Fortune said:

The fact that Post HTX included the word "mall' in their post tells you how behind this developer is. No one wants to hear the word mall in 2020.

 A " Mall " might not be such a bad thing.. because trying to retail off in downtown Houston has for the most part been a object failure.

[cspwal]

There's been two mall attempts in downtown already - shops at Houston center and green street.  How are they going to do better at attracting tenants and customers besides the giant surface lot?

[rechlin]

I assume they mean "mall" like the National Mall, a big place to walk around, and not "mall" as in "shopping mall".

[TacoDog]

On 5/2/2020 at 8:39 PM, Fortune said:

The fact that Post HTX included the word "mall' in their post tells you how behind this developer is. No one wants to hear the word mall in 2020.

 

I don't know if the developer runs their Instagram, but they were quoting a movie from 2001, so yeah they are behind a bit.

[j_cuevas713]

So someone from Lovett contacted me about doing some animation work to promote PostHTX on their website. They referenced Printworks in London and Kraftwerk Berlin. Gives you an idea of the vibe they want for the venue.

[jermh]

5 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

So someone from Lovett contacted me about doing some animation work to promote PostHTX on their website. They referenced Printworks in London and Kraftwerk Berlin. Gives you an idea of the vibe they want for the venue.

 

FYI: If you didn't know already, Lovett has a job listing for a "graphic designer" on Linkedin right now, but the description reads more like a UI/UX design and Animation role. Required proficiency in Adobe XD and After Effects, so it looks like they are using "graphic designer" as a catch all title in this case. No affiliation or anything, I just happened to randomly read the description yesterday.

[pablog]

7 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

So someone from Lovett contacted me about doing some animation work to promote PostHTX on their website. They referenced Printworks in London and Kraftwerk Berlin. Gives you an idea of the vibe they want for the venue.

Hey man. Send me a link to your portfolio! 

[BeerNut]

 

[CaptainJilliams]

I'm just happy they're actually doing work on this site. Hoping the final product look sharp.

[Luminare]

11 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

So someone from Lovett contacted me about doing some animation work to promote PostHTX on their website. They referenced Printworks in London and Kraftwerk Berlin. Gives you an idea of the vibe they want for the venue.

 

Kraftwerk is pretty cool. Its a massive building though. I once tried to get inside when I stood in line to get into Tressor which is one of the biggest nightclubs in Berlin. If you want to be really self-referential then throw in some tones from Kraftwerk the techno group haha. Maybe some Radioactivity, or some Trans-European Express. Now I seriously want a techno night club to be in the mix for this development.