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I noticed that you ignored my question as well.  If removing any freeway is good, aren't you stating then that removing all freeways would have the same effect of not increasing traffic?

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Would you rather that freeways barge through manhattan?

 

Personally, I could not care less what they do to Manhattan. I do not live there, so I would expect the city and residents to do what works best for them...just like we shall do here.

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I noticed that you ignored my question as well.  If removing any freeway is good, aren't you stating then that removing all freeways would have the same effect of not increasing traffic?

 

I've already stated I've agreed with removing all freeways in the downtown area.

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Why are the downtown areas different? Wouldn't you rather have Katy Freeway replaced with an eight lane boulevard with a light rail running up and down? Sure sounds like it...

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I've already stated I've agreed with removing all freeways in the downtown area.

 

So based on your stated logic, I would expect that the loop could be removed as well with no impact.  Do you agree and if not, why?

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Why are the downtown areas different? Wouldn't you rather have Katy Freeway replaced with an eight lane boulevard with a light rail running up and down? Sure sounds like it...

 

I would prefer that, but I am willing to compromise.

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So based on your stated logic, I would expect that the loop could be removed as well with no impact.  Do you agree and if not, why?

 

I've only commented on freeway removals that have taken place in city centers.

 

Also, I don't know if you lived here during the time the pierce elevated reconstruction, but I was. Houston survived, traffic diverted, and it wasn't the end of the world as we knew it. In fact, it really wasn't all that bad. So there is evidence that without a pierce elevated downtown and its associated traffic would be just fine.

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Going from the north side of Vancouver to the airport in a car or bus sucks in about every way I can describe.

 

That's all I have to offer.

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've only commented on freeway removals that have taken place in city centers.

 

Also, I don't know if you lived here during the time the pierce elevated reconstruction, but I was. Houston survived, traffic diverted, and it wasn't the end of the world as we knew it. In fact, it really wasn't all that bad. So there is evidence that without a pierce elevated downtown and its associated traffic would be just fine.

 

So basically you're avoiding the question.  You are asserting that eliminating any freeway does not increase congestion.  You are then ridiculing us when we suggest that there are situations that may not apply.  Yet now, you seem to be hesitating.  If you feel so strongly that eliminating freeways doesn't increase congestion in any scenario, then you should believe in removing the loop as well.  

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I think its obvious that eliminating the through, elevated portions on the boundaries of downtown would decrease congestion and improve traffic for those who commute to and from and around the CBD.  Whether or not it would cause problem for point to point commuters and through traffic  would then depend on the carrying capacity of the new through traffic networks, primarily loop 610, which has its own dubious capacity in certain areas,

 

Ideally the major freeways in Houston I think would not be so close to the CBD, have 3 major interstate corridors all intersect within 1 mile of each other seems a bit excessive, but that's how its happened.

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So basically you're avoiding the question.  You are asserting that eliminating any freeway does not increase congestion.  You are then ridiculing us when we suggest that there are situations that may not apply.  Yet now, you seem to be hesitating.  If you feel so strongly that eliminating freeways doesn't increase congestion in any scenario, then you should believe in removing the loop as well.  

 

I'm not hesitating. I personally would wish all freeways were removed. But unlike you I am not rigid, I am willing to compromise a little. You however want wider freeways all around, in and out, and even through the center of our city. I care about the city, its image, and quality of life for its residents, which by the way is decreasing. You care about 18 wheelers.

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 I care about the city, its image, and quality of life for its residents, which by the way is decreasing.

 

The quality of life here is better than ever, or at least better than ever since I moved here in 1976. The air is cleaner, the roads are better, the traffic is better, and the economy is better.

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Going from the north side of Vancouver to the airport in a car or bus sucks in about every way I can describe.

 

That's all I have to offer.

 

Bus to seabus to skytrain. Once you get on the skytrain it's about 20 minutes.

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Bus to seabus to skytrain. Once you get on the skytrain it's about 20 minutes.

 

Yup.

 

The last bit by train took about 1/3 of the time the same bit did by car.

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Yup.

The last bit by train took about 1/3 of the time the same bit did by car.

Even the Seabus is ok. But the bus to the Seabus can take a while, and sometimes those buses don't run very often.

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The quality of life here is better than ever, or at least better than ever since I moved here in 1976. The air is cleaner, the roads are better, the traffic is better, and the economy is better.

You think the air is cleaner now than in 1976?

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I'm not hesitating. I personally would wish all freeways were removed. But unlike you I am not rigid, I am willing to compromise a little. You however want wider freeways all around, in and out, and even through the center of our city. I care about the city, its image, and quality of life for its residents, which by the way is decreasing. You care about 18 wheelers.

I care about the reality of jobs and providing a standard of living for the 6 million residents of the city. You care about walkabiilty in your neighborhood. The fact that you are so quick to completely dismiss the importance of the Port of Houston to the city is really quite laughable.

I agree that the freeways are closer to downtown than would be optimal. An alternative solution would be nice, but suggesting that interrupting three major highways and diverting them to surface streets is not realistic. When I pointed out the potential impact on the regions economy, you reverted to name calling, as per the norm.

I now expect a number of semi-related blog posts that you will claim make your point undeniable.

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I care about the reality of jobs and providing a standard of living for the 6 million residents of the city. You care about walkabiilty in your neighborhood. The fact that you are so quick to completely dismiss the importance of the Port of Houston to the city is really quite laughable.

I agree that the freeways are closer to downtown than would be optimal. An alternative solution would be nice, but suggesting that interrupting three major highways and diverting them to surface streets is not realistic. When I pointed out the potential impact on the regions economy, you reverted to name calling, as per the norm.

I now expect a number of semi-related blog posts that you will claim make your point undeniable.

I'm sure you would've said the same thing if you lived in Seoul, San Francisco, Paris, Madrid, and New York.

How are you so sure it's unrealistic? What's your basis? I take surface streets in downtown every day. It's not that bad. Not only that but the pierce elevated was shut down for a period, and it wasn't that bad either. I'm at least willing to budge and say ok trench 59. But you want to not even give an inch. The status quo is just fine. In fact widen freeways. Guess what some people have an imagination for the city, not just a sprawling metropolis of cookie cutter suburbs and strip malls which you get to on ten lane highways.

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I'm sure you would've said the same thing if you lived in Seoul, San Francisco, Paris, Madrid, and New York.

Wow, you're back to the same topics again, even though we've talked about how those specific instances were nothing like Houston.

 

 

How are you so sure it's unrealistic? What's your basis?

 

And you're being realistic?

 

 

I'm at least willing to budge and say ok trench 59. But you want to not even give an inch.

Burying a highway is not a "compromise".

 

 

 

Guess what some people have an imagination for the city

Well, you do have an imagination. No questioning that.

 

 

not just a sprawling metropolis of cookie cutter suburbs and strip malls which you get to on ten lane highways.

Slick. I don't even live in Houston (I'm starting to wonder if you don't, either--it's okay, you can admit you live in the suburbs, I won't laugh), and it is a diverse, interesting city with wildly different neighborhoods. Pick any major Houston road that runs east/west or north/south. Drive on it starting from the terminus. You will be amazed at what you'll find.

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I'm sure you would've said the same thing if you lived in Seoul, San Francisco, Paris, Madrid, and New York.

How are you so sure it's unrealistic? What's your basis? I take surface streets in downtown every day. It's not that bad. Not only that but the pierce elevated was shut down for a period, and it wasn't that bad either. I'm at least willing to budge and say ok trench 59. But you want to not even give an inch. The status quo is just fine. In fact widen freeways. Guess what some people have an imagination for the city, not just a sprawling metropolis of cookie cutter suburbs and strip malls which you get to on ten lane highways.

I work almost in Channelview and live by the Galleria. If those said freeways were taken out 610 would be a nightmare. I do have 4 route options... All if them starting with I-10 on the east side.

1. I-10 to Voss.

2. 59 to Fountain view

3. 610 North to San Felipe/I-10 to Voss

4. 610 South to San Felipe/59 to Fountain View

I rarely take route 3 or 4 home unless my navigation says its carmageddon. That being said, I know not all traffic starts at the same point as me, but it always gets congested at Downtown.

So I'm just curious about what you propose as an alternative to the first two routes. (assuming the freeways are turned into boulevards).

I would think 610 would have to be doubled or tripled in size.

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I work almost in Channelview and live by the Galleria. If those said freeways were taken out 610 would be a nightmare. I do have 4 route options... All if them starting with I-10 on the east side.

1. I-10 to Voss.

2. 59 to Fountain view

3. 610 North to San Felipe/I-10 to Voss

4. 610 South to San Felipe/59 to Fountain View

I rarely take route 3 or 4 home unless my navigation says its carmageddon. That being said, I know not all traffic starts at the same point as me, but it always gets congested at Downtown.

So I'm just curious about what you propose as an alternative to the first two routes. (assuming the freeways are turned into boulevards).

I would think 610 would have to be doubled or tripled in size.

You could still use 1 and 2. Just go through downtown boulevards in that portion

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You could still use 1 and 2. Just go through downtown boulevards in that portion

 

So, what is now a 20 minute drive becomes a 1 hour slog through countless traffic signals and waits for trains to go by. Just like the good old days (1960's), but with the added pain of light rail disrupting traffic.

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So, what is now a 20 minute drive becomes a 1 hour slog through countless traffic signals and waits for trains to go by. Just like the good old days (1960's), but with the added pain of light rail disrupting traffic.

It doesn't take 40 minutes to go through downtown.

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It doesn't take 40 minutes to go through downtown.

 

I am curious what is so vibrant and pedestrian friendly about forcing 200,000 vehicles a day onto downtown streets? And air quality? Yeah, those pedestrians will LOVE breathing all of the fumes from those 200,000 vehicles sitting at stoplights waiting to crawl through downtown.

 

BTW, because downtown stoplights are synced for north-south traffic, it can take up to 15 minutes to cross downtown. Adding 200,000 vehicles trying to cross downtown could easily double or triple that number...not to mention the backup slowing down as the freeway converts to boulevard. Look at traffic at Reliant Stadium on gameday

for an example.

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The more I think about it, the more I believe Slick is not actually a resident of Houston per se, he's a bored teenager/early twenty-something living in the suburbs. 

 

I expect Slick to deny most of these, but I'll let the rest of you see if any of these are true or not.

 

You, Slick, live in the suburbs with your parents. The car-centric lifestyle, the fact that all the major stores and restaurants are on freeways, and the general boredom of being a chain and McMansion wasteland (in cynical eyes) has led you to be discontent with highways, fueled by anti-freeway literature run by people who take unusual examples (SF, Portland, Seoul, Milwaukee, Boston, etc.) as the wave of the future. You are also not rich (parents, maybe) and don't come from a third-world country or a world traveler like you've purported in the past.

 

In fact, you've never been to Vancouver or Seoul in your life. Probably not San Francisco, and possibly (though a good possibility) of visiting Manhattan.

 

You overstate your boxing skills here. While I'm not debating you do it for fun and sport in real life, I'm also guessing you wear protective headgear.

 

You do not commute to downtown Houston, but have been there (not on peak hours, though).

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You could still use 1 and 2. Just go through downtown boulevards in that portion

 

It would not be practical. The 18 Wheelers and vehicles traveling west on I-10 would need an alternate as well. So, What is your solution? The Downtown Boulevards would be great for people who work Downtown. I do not, and a majority of the city does not. So my question again, what is your proposed alternative?

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The more I think about it, the more I believe Slick is not actually a resident of Houston per se, he's a bored teenager/early twenty-something living in the suburbs. 

 

I expect Slick to deny most of these, but I'll let the rest of you see if any of these are true or not.

 

You, Slick, live in the suburbs with your parents. The car-centric lifestyle, the fact that all the major stores and restaurants are on freeways, and the general boredom of being a chain and McMansion wasteland (in cynical eyes) has led you to be discontent with highways, fueled by anti-freeway literature run by people who take unusual examples (SF, Portland, Seoul, Milwaukee, Boston, etc.) as the wave of the future. You are also not rich (parents, maybe) and don't come from a third-world country or a world traveler like you've purported in the past.

 

In fact, you've never been to Vancouver or Seoul in your life. Probably not San Francisco, and possibly (though a good possibility) of visiting Manhattan.

 

You overstate your boxing skills here. While I'm not debating you do it for fun and sport in real life, I'm also guessing you wear protective headgear.

 

You do not commute to downtown Houston, but have been there (not on peak hours, though).

 

1. I live about a mile away from downtown, not with my parents, they live on their own in the suburbs. I actually lived in midtown for years until a couple of months ago. It was too loud, couldn't sleep.

2. I did grow up in the suburbs, until I went to college. After I lived in the city, I really enjoyed it. Thus ever since I have chose to stay close to the city center because I lively nature there and like being close to everything. I find suburbs eternally boring.

3. I've been to Vancouver 10 times. I've been to San Francisco 15-20 times, because my dad's sister lives there. I've been to New York about 10 times also because my brother went to school there and worked there for a while. I've never been to Seoul I'll admit that.

4. I am not the best boxer, but I know enough to thrash 99% of the general population, and I can hold my own with most other amateurs, and I do wear headgear because I'm not a professional.

5. I take a local bus downtown every weekday for work.

6. Finally, what's made me discontent is the total lack of progress in Houston in its transit infrastructure. In 2003, they said 5 rail lines would be done. It's 2013, only one will open this year, and two next year. Another turned into a bus, and the critical one is on hold. Also, I just find it boring compared to most cities. It's just my opinion.

 

Happy?

 

PS If you don't believe any of this you Hartmann can confirm. I met him at the frequent flyer meetup a few weeks ago.

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It would not be practical. The 18 Wheelers and vehicles traveling west on I-10 would need an alternate as well. So, What is your solution? The Downtown Boulevards would be great for people who work Downtown. I do not, and a majority of the city does not. So my question again, what is your proposed alternative?

 

It's not practical, because you said so? They could take boulevards or 610.

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Bus to seabus to skytrain. Once you get on the skytrain it's about 20 minutes.

 

That's great if you're only measuring the last leg of the journey.  But you neglected to include that the "bus to seabus" portion of that equation can be anywhere from an additional 50 minutes (idea, peak availability, properly timed weekday) to an additional three hours (Sunday, pretty much anytime).

 

I think once you've visited a few more cities, you won't hold Vanco in such high regard anymore.

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That's great if you're only measuring the last leg of the journey.  But you neglected to include that the "bus to seabus" portion of that equation can be anywhere from an additional 50 minutes (idea, peak availability, properly timed weekday) to an additional three hours (Sunday, pretty much anytime).

 

I think once you've visited a few more cities, you won't hold Vanco in such high regard anymore.

 

You're probably right. Last time I went the bus to Lynn Canyon ran every 30 minutes, and took about 30 minutes to get to the seabus. That was on a Saturday.

 

I think the best systems I've been on are

 

1. Mexico City

2. New York

3. London

4. New Delhi

5. Chicago

 

Just my opinion though.

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It's not practical, because you said so? They could take boulevards or 610.

 

Putting tractor trailers on boulevards is the opposite of mobility.  Most cities try to keep tractor trailers as far away from boulevards and city streets as they can because they are not only a traffic management nightmare, but they wear out the streets much faster.  

 

The whole reason cities build commercial loops like 610 is to keep the trucks from clogging up downtown.  I recommend reading a few books on traffic engineering before making any more suggestions.

 

You can also read traffic engineering studies done by cities, states, and private companies like KLOA.  They're all over the internet and very instructive.

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1. I live about a mile away from downtown, not with my parents, they live on their own in the suburbs. I actually lived in midtown for years until a couple of months ago. It was too loud, couldn't sleep.

2. I did grow up in the suburbs, until I went to college. After I lived in the city, I really enjoyed it. Thus ever since I have chose to stay close to the city center because I lively nature there and like being close to everything. I find suburbs eternally boring.

3. I've been to Vancouver 10 times. I've been to San Francisco 15-20 times, because my dad's sister lives there. I've been to New York about 10 times also because my brother went to school there and worked there for a while. I've never been to Seoul I'll admit that.

4. I am not the best boxer, but I know enough to thrash 99% of the general population, and I can hold my own with most other amateurs, and I do wear headgear because I'm not a professional.

5. I take a local bus downtown every weekday for work.

6. Finally, what's made me discontent is the total lack of progress in Houston in its transit infrastructure. In 2003, they said 5 rail lines would be done. It's 2013, only one will open this year, and two next year. Another turned into a bus, and the critical one is on hold. Also, I just find it boring compared to most cities. It's just my opinion.

 

Happy?

 

PS If you don't believe any of this you Hartmann can confirm. I met him at the frequent flyer meetup a few weeks ago.

 

You've demonstrated a few times that you are a liar, so I find some of your claims hard to believe, especially your claim of going to Vancouver nearly a dozen times. If you really did go to college, you obviously have never taken on classes on urban traffic, nor have even read books on traffic and urban planning in the library there. The "total lack of progress in Houston in its transit infrastructure" is a laughable and patently untrue claim. The rebuilding of Interstate 10, US-59, improvements to 288, and others I've undoubtedly missed will be dismissed by you as not relating to light rail. The first light rail line wasn't built until 2004, and still fell short of ridership predicted. Naturally, there were some delays in getting other lines operational. Before you start blaming politicians, a lot of opposition to light rail came from your fellow Houston citizens.

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You've demonstrated a few times that you are a liar, so I find some of your claims hard to believe, especially your claim of going to Vancouver nearly a dozen times. If you really did go to college, you obviously have never taken on classes on urban traffic, nor have even read books on traffic and urban planning in the library there. The "total lack of progress in Houston in its transit infrastructure" is a laughable and patently untrue claim. The rebuilding of Interstate 10, US-59, improvements to 288, and others I've undoubtedly missed will be dismissed by you as not relating to light rail. The first light rail line wasn't built until 2004, and still fell short of ridership predicted. Naturally, there were some delays in getting other lines operational. Before you start blaming politicians, a lot of opposition to light rail came from your fellow Houston citizens.

 

I went to Vancouver in 1986, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2012 (twice), 2013, and am planning to go back next year. Do you need any other information Sherlock? I have family there and there have been a lot of weddings recently. Also I enjoy visiting during non-wedding times as well. In fact I'm going back again next summer for another wedding.

 

I should have reworded my claims to talk about public transit, as I will admit, a lot of freeway construction has taken place. And you are right, fellow citizens are to blame for the 1983 referendum, and Afton Oaks residents for stalling the university line. But Bob Lanier, John Culberson, and Tom DeLay have had a significant hand in all of this as well.

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It's not practical, because you said so? They could take boulevards or 610.

 

Look Slick, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you've lost it. I asked you TWICE about alternatives to a valid question I had about your proposal/idea/whatever, and you have ignored it. It's not practical BECAUSE it is NOT practical to divert 3 freeways into boulevards that have large amounts of traffic not only traveling to Downtown as a destination, but passing through with commerce or commuting. Simply halting the freeways to multiple lights is not a solution. Neither is 'just' using 610.

 

So, since I will get nothing from you, I guess this a rhetorical post and kind of pointless. As you were.

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Look Slick, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you've lost it. I asked you TWICE about alternatives to a valid question I had about your proposal/idea/whatever, and you have ignored it. It's not practical BECAUSE it is NOT practical to divert 3 freeways into boulevards that have large amounts of traffic not only traveling to Downtown as a destination, but passing through with commerce or commuting. Simply halting the freeways to multiple lights is not a solution. Neither is 'just' using 610.

 

So, since I will get nothing from you, I guess this a rhetorical post and kind of pointless. As you were.

 

What's your solution? Do nothing? At the least I would like to see the pierce elevated removed and/or be made into a pedestrian walkway such as the high line, and have traffic diverted to 59. It is the biggest barrier of the three freeways that cut downtown.

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My solution would be not to do something that makes the situation worse. If that means doing nothing, so be it.

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What's your solution?

 

I'll make a dozen threads about the same topic in multiple subforums and igonore questions about my outlandish proposal and also answer questions with questions. Then, I might just get into a lengthy debate with redscare with will result in absolutely nothing.

 

I don't think i've ever hit the ignore button on anyone on here before, but here goes.

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I went to Vancouver in 1986, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2012 (twice), 2013, and am planning to go back next year. Do you need any other information Sherlock? I have family there and there have been a lot of weddings recently. Also I enjoy visiting during non-wedding times as well. In fact I'm going back again next summer for another wedding.

No need for name calling. Also, in 1986 you were probably under the age of 4, at best.

What's your solution? Do nothing? At the least I would like to see the pierce elevated removed and/or be made into a pedestrian walkway such as the high line, and have traffic diverted to 59.

I'm not even going to touch this one. Clearly someone with a frighteningly loose grip on traffic reality cannot be debated with.

If you really did go to college, you obviously have never taken on classes on urban traffic, nor have even read books on traffic and urban planning in the library there

No response to this one I see. Here's another guess. You not only live in the suburbs, but also go to high school. You aren't stupid and do relatively well in high school but your cluelessness and generally being naïve about freeways suggest otherwise. You are also a fan of SimCity.

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No need for name calling. Also, in 1986 you were probably under the age of 4, at best.

I'm not even going to touch this one. Clearly someone with a frighteningly loose grip on traffic reality cannot be debated with.

No response to this one I see. Here's another guess. You not only live in the suburbs, but also go to high school. You aren't stupid and do relatively well in high school but your cluelessness and generally being naïve about freeways suggest otherwise. You are also a fan of SimCity.

 

Yes I was 2 in 1986, but I threw it in there.

 

Again, I do not live in the suburbs, I live a mile from downtown and work downtown. I do not go to high school, in fact I graduated university six years ago. I've never touched sim city.

 

I'm not sure what else you want. Like I said you can ask Hartmann I met him a few weeks ago at the frequent flyer meetup.

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Our very own subdude had a post on the pierce elevated.

 

"Destroy it - it's an eyesore - and build out the rest of the Buffalo Bayou Plan. Years ago, when they closed the Pierce Elevated for resurfacing, there were all sorts of dire predictions about traffic Armageddon. In the event, in a day or so traffic learned how to divert itself and the effect was almost negligible. As long as traffic can be diverted to the Loop or 59, the Pierce doesn't serve any really critical purpose."
 

Is he a traffic neanderthal too? I admit personally I would want to shut down all three freeways through downtown, but at least have shown a willingness to compromise to only get rid of the pierce elevated. It would help downtown, and I don't think the traffic situation would be any worse.

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Again, that's temporary. It would be like someone breaking their leg (which heals) to losing it completely (a stump). See? There's a big difference.

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Again, that's temporary. It would be like someone breaking their leg (which heals) to losing it completely (a stump). See? There's a big difference.

So if it remained closed the traffic would not have stayed diverted?

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OK, let's back up. Closing off the Pierce Elevated won't create Hurricane Rita style traffic jams. That much we know. People put up with construction zones even though they don't like it, because the end result is better. In my home in the exurbs to the northwest (I use that term in reference to my city as a joke, even though some people do use it as such), I've seen many construction projects: often narrowing lanes from two to one, or diverting traffic onto side streets that were never intended to handle the load, both from the location and the physical stress (yes, Slick, roads do wear out from traffic). During construction zones, things do become WORSE in terms of traffic, but not for the long run. By proposing a closure of a freeway (and not your outlier examples you use as gospel), you intend to make things worse--permanently.

 

Your ignorance of posts or parts of posts that poke holes in your crackpot theories means you have no realistic approach to actually addressing the problem.

 

Your delusion of removing ALL freeways removes the last shreds of credibility from your argument.

 

Your unabashed lying (which you have never redacted) in previous posts leads me (and others) to believe that you don't live in downtown Houston, or been to Vancouver, or anything like that. Had you a have a full-time job, you should probably be fired for posting all the time on Internet forums. I admit that I have a part-time job this summer, so I can do so freely, but you as a supposedly working adult do not. In either case, you are probably a suburban high schooler enjoying lots of free time, or you are an unemployed (or underemployed, I'm not saying you don't work part time at Taco Bell/Starbucks/Kroger) liberal arts degree graduate, likely still blaming Bush as the reason you can't find a "real" job.

 

See why Montrose, RedScare, and others have left, and it's just you and me? They can't deal with a lunatic who refuses to look at reality, a cultist who would make even the most rabid Bible-thumper seem sane and open-minded.

 

See ya.

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OK, let's back up. Closing off the Pierce Elevated won't create Hurricane Rita style traffic jams. That much we know. People put up with construction zones even though they don't like it, because the end result is better. In my home in the exurbs to the northwest (I use that term in reference to my city as a joke, even though some people do use it as such), I've seen many construction projects: often narrowing lanes from two to one, or diverting traffic onto side streets that were never intended to handle the load, both from the location and the physical stress (yes, Slick, roads do wear out from traffic). During construction zones, things do become WORSE in terms of traffic, but not for the long run. By proposing a closure of a freeway (and not your outlier examples you use as gospel), you intend to make things worse--permanently.

Your ignorance of posts or parts of posts that poke holes in your crackpot theories means you have no realistic approach to actually addressing the problem.

Your delusion of removing ALL freeways removes the last shreds of credibility from your argument.

Your unabashed lying (which you have never redacted) in previous posts leads me (and others) to believe that you don't live in downtown Houston, or been to Vancouver, or anything like that. Had you a have a full-time job, you should probably be fired for posting all the time on Internet forums. I admit that I have a part-time job this summer, so I can do so freely, but you as a supposedly working adult do not. In either case, you are probably a suburban high schooler enjoying lots of free time, or you are an unemployed (or underemployed, I'm not saying you don't work part time at Taco Bell/Starbucks/Kroger) liberal arts degree graduate, likely still blaming Bush as the reason you can't find a "real" job.

See why Montrose, RedScare, and others have left, and it's just you and me? They can't deal with a lunatic who refuses to look at reality, a cultist who would make even the most rabid Bible-thumper seem sane and open-minded.

See ya.

Again you can keep making false accusations about me which I find sad. I met someone that posts here and he can vouch for me. Try to stick to topic. I am just proposing ideas. They most likely will never come to fruition but that's what this forum is about, ideas. The same as Patrick Kennedy who proposes removing 45 through downtown Dallas. I haven't said a thing about you in return to any of your vociferous assaults. And I'm not a liar. Now please try to stay on topic.

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Since few people active in this thread are interested in discussing the topic, it is now closed.

 

I'm not sure what the problem is with you people.  Even ones that have been repeatedly reminded to discuss the topic and not other HAIFers don't seem to listen.  I don't know if it's willful, or you're stupid, or can't read, or simply don't care.  But I'm just tired of wasting what little time I have cleaning up after a very small group of supposed adults.

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