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I'm with citykid09 on this one. I'm a little iffy about all the redevelopment will going as planned now that the ownership is changing hands.

 

Oh well, can only sit back and hope for the best.

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Holy cow, i'm kind of shocked more people aren't going gaga over this announcement. I know that we kind of knew that this was coming but now that it's becoming reality and the details are showing that so many of these buildings are tall it's really impressive.

Also I'm assuming that's a typo and they meant four-star not four stories, am I correct?

Also I'm guessing the other towers that the article mentions are pasted in another thread?

 

The reason it's not gaga time is the name of hotel hasn't been announced (and I'd take another Valencia Group Hotel as a substitute), so it's not even certain this will happen or that it will be a W. And the four stories does indeed look like a typo; kind of hard to cram 300 hotel rooms in four floors. But four star is a downgrade from five stars.

 

I also think Houston needs to start turning up its nose at some of these newbies. W didn't see fit to bring in a hotel to Houston back in 2007 when they built one in Dallas? Screw them. Ritz Carlton? We're way beyond that. Bloomingdale's never opened in the Galleria when they had the chance? Tough luck - we want Raffles City or Harrod's now. Roche Bobois still not interested? There are better furniture designers who are. We're the most important city in Texas, and if you high-end retailers don't get it, we don't want you. B)

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Roche Bobois still not interested? There are better furniture designers who are. We're the most important city in Texas, and if you high-end retailers don't get it, we don't want you. B)

They have a cute stand alone store on San Felipe...

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The reason it's not gaga time is the name of hotel hasn't been announced (and I'd take another Valencia Group Hotel as a substitute), so it's not even certain this will happen or that it will be a W. And the four stories does indeed look like a typo; kind of hard to cram 300 hotel rooms in four floors. But four star is a downgrade from five stars.

I also think Houston needs to start turning up its nose at some of these newbies. W didn't see fit to bring in a hotel to Houston back in 2007 when they built one in Dallas? Screw them. Ritz Carlton? We're way beyond that. Bloomingdale's never opened in the Galleria when they had the chance? Tough luck - we want Raffles City or Harrod's now. Roche Bobois still not interested? There are better furniture designers who are. We're the most important city in Texas, and if you high-end retailers don't get it, we don't want you. B)

Agreed, just last week the city turned down a deal to redevelop 1111 Main Street (the old Sakowitz building) into a Bloomingdale's and a Ritz Carlton. Neiman Marcus ran Bloomingdale's out of Dallas years ago, and now Houston doesn't want them either. The Ritz Carlton was in Houston years ago and failed to impress, and got the boot.

Houston is clearly not chasing those brands (which are not all that great), as there IS better. Houston has moved on and now wants better than that, so what happens will be interesting.

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Agreed, just last week the city turned down a deal to redevelop 1111 Main Street (the old Sakowitz building) into a Bloomingdale's and a Ritz Carlton. Neiman Marcus ran Bloomingdale's out of Dallas years ago, and now Houston doesn't want them either. The Ritz Carlton was in Houston years ago and failed to impress, and got the boot.

Houston is clearly not chasing those brands (which are not all that great), as there IS better. Houston has moved on and now wants better than that, so what happens will be interesting.

So wait . . . Now this downtown Bloomingdale's anchored shopping district that you have been telling us is going to happen isn't going to happen because now the city of Houston doesn't want them ? If that's the case then why was the idea entertained at all? Also I thought the Ritz was going to be by Discovery park ? Now it was going in the old Sakowitz building ? Just doesn't add up seems like back pedaling.

We have Nieman Marcus, we have Saks. . . What other department store is better then Bloomingdales? Especially for downtown Houston.

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So wait . . . Now this downtown Bloomingdale's anchored shopping district that you have been telling us is going to happen isn't going to happen because now the city of Houston doesn't want them ? If that's the case then why was the idea entertained at all? Also I thought the Ritz was going to be by Discovery park ? Now it was going in the old Sakowitz building ? Just doesn't add up seems like back pedaling.

We have Nieman Marcus, we have Saks. . . What other department store is better then Bloomingdales? Especially for downtown Houston.

I agree it's back-peddlIng, they should have gone with the plan (even if it was with newbies). Houston definitely could have used the downtown retail and the hotel rooms. But it's not, at least not at 1111 Main Street. The city and the property owner no longer want it, saying they have something better they're putting together. We'll see.

Houston already has the other big stores except Bloomingdale's, so it would take Harrods, Selfridges or Galeries Lafayette to top that. Does Houston have the leadership, talent and power to make that happen? We'll soon see.

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"The City" turned down a deal? I can see how the city can enocourage development and even discourage other types of development. But how could the city turn down a development on private property? Or does the city own the Sakowitz building? When you talk about "The City" who are you referring to?

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"The City" turned down a deal? I can see how the city can enocourage development and even discourage other types of development. But how could the city turn down a development on private property? Or does the city own the Sakowitz building? When you talk about "The City" who are you referring to?

The development was discouraged by the leadership of the City of Houston, Texas, USA. The property owner and the city are now going in a different direction that has to be better in order to top that.

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what!!!!!


htown live, i have been one of your most loyal and consistent stalwarts upon this forum.  it's not like i believed any and everything that you have espoused upon during 


your discourse.  however, i like to believe that i am astute enough to know that without a doubt, that in a city a large as the city of houston.. circumstances are indeed likely to change upon a dime.


however, what you have just espoused within these last three aforementioned post regarding these impromptu and yet totally discombobulated "the city" development changes... has me starting to doubt your discourse.


nothing is making any sense!  trust me my good pal, we HAIFER'S appreciate the very fact that we harbor a stalwart within city government that may allow us a peep into city planning / discussions to some degree.


however, please bare in mind that  you are not the only stalwart that is capable of offering intimate discerning information as per houston city government.


therefore, should you extend a bit of generosity and present to us a bit of key insight.. then it shall need to be comprehensible... at least to some comforting degree.


everyone knows about the long standing historical and yet empty sakowitz building.  we all would give most anything to see this gem of a building get redeveloped into a shining star.


however, we are all indeed smart enough to know that whatever comes forth.. is going to be a somewhat costly / time consuming / often irritating patience grabbing puzzle, that shall require optimum planning / discourse.


therefore, when you espouse upon the old sakowitz building being discussed as a bloomingdales / ritz carlton, sounds like huge joke!  what!!!  are you hereby serious!!!


buddy, you shall now want to carefully explain yourself here... your credibility moving forward.. is now at stake.


 


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what!!!!!

htown live, i have been one of your most loyal and consistent stalwarts upon this forum. it's not like i believed any and everything that you have espoused upon during

your discourse. however, i like to believe that i am astute enough to know that without a doubt, that in a city a large as the city of houston.. circumstances are indeed likely to change upon a dime.

however, what you have just espoused within these last three aforementioned post regarding these impromptu and yet totally discombobulated "the city" development changes... has me starting to doubt your discourse.

nothing is making any sense! trust me my good pal, we HAIFER'S appreciate the very fact that we harbor a stalwart within city government that may allow us a peep into city planning / discussions to some degree.

however, please bare in mind that you are not the only stalwart that is capable of offering intimate discerning information as per houston city government.

therefore, should you extend a bit of generosity and present to us a bit of key insight.. then it shall need to be comprehensible... at least to some comforting degree.

everyone knows about the long standing historical and yet empty sakowitz building. we all would give most anything to see this gem of a building get redeveloped into a shining star.

however, we are all indeed smart enough to know that whatever comes forth.. is going to be a somewhat costly / time consuming / often irritating patience grabbing puzzle, that shall require optimum planning / discourse.

therefore, when you espouse upon the old sakowitz building being discussed as a bloomingdales / ritz carlton, sounds like huge joke! what!!! are you hereby serious!!!

buddy, you shall now want to carefully explain yourself here... your credibility moving forward.. is now at stake.

Wow, what nonsense. My dear student, why don't you call the mayor's office for confirmation and report back to us. That will help you understand.

Class dismissed.

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I agree it's back-peddlIng, they should have gone with the plan (even if it was with newbies). Houston definitely could have used the downtown retail and the hotel rooms. But it's not, at least not at 1111 Main Street. The city and the property owner no longer want it, saying they have something better they're putting together. We'll see.

Houston already has the other big stores except Bloomingdale's, so it would take Harrods, Selfridges or Galeries Lafayette to top that. Does Houston have the leadership, talent and power to make that happen? We'll soon see.

htown live, pal i love you.. but this is all so very confusing to me.  if our illustrious city government cannot even come together to acquire a bloomingdales brand upon such a barron retail desert such as downtown houston.. then how on earth could you possibly think that downtown houston could entertain such retail powerhouses such as a HARRODS vs SELFRIDGES?  have you ever shopped at a GALERIES LAFAYETTE?  well, i have many times at the dubai mall in dubai, uae.  this particular french department store often reminds me of a more glamorous macy's.  i have eaten at the RED BOX.  this is the very nice little cafe / bistro located inside the larger GALERIES LAFAYETTE.  

 

we shall learn to become a bit more realistic here my god pal.  if houston cannot even seem to lure a VIRGIN MEGASTORE.. i would highly doubt that a HARROD'S , SELFRIDGES, or even a GALORIES LAFAYETTE, shall want to entertain downtown houston at this more wonderful time during our current construction boom.  those particular brands, are EXTREMELY international.  to date they seem to only cater to the very wealthy vs european consumer. 

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They have a cute stand alone store on San Felipe...

 

Hmm - for whatever reason, their ads in the airline magazines don't list it.

 

And the same sentiment goes for those Hawaiian jewelers, Na'Hoku.

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The Roche Bobois store is just around the corner from my office. The Astoria sales office has been there lately. It has 'European looking' furniture. Not my cup of tea. I didn't realize they were a big deal.

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htown live, pal i love you.. but this is all so very confusing to me. if our illustrious city government cannot even come together to acquire a bloomingdales brand upon such a barron retail desert such as downtown houston.. then how on earth could you possibly think that downtown houston could entertain such retail powerhouses such as a HARRODS vs SELFRIDGES? have you ever shopped at a GALERIES LAFAYETTE? well, i have many times at the dubai mall in dubai, uae. this particular french department store often reminds me of a more glamorous macy's. i have eaten at the RED BOX. this is the very nice little cafe / bistro located inside the larger GALERIES LAFAYETTE.

we shall learn to become a bit more realistic here my god pal. if houston cannot even seem to lure a VIRGIN MEGASTORE.. i would highly doubt that a HARROD'S , SELFRIDGES, or even a GALORIES LAFAYETTE, shall want to entertain downtown houston at this more wonderful time during our current construction boom. those particular brands, are EXTREMELY international. to date they seem to only cater to the very wealthy vs european consumer.

Couldn't agree more!!!

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Anyone else think htownlive is full of it? He's going back on all of the crap that everyone started arguing about with him and swistig. I'd like to hear other people's opinion of this who are also "in the know"

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Couldn't agree more!!!

Lol. I'm being facetious. My sentiments exactly...if they're this inept and messed this up, there's no help for them or world class downtown retail. Many of us were shocked at the meeting. One of the mayor's assistants produced a new plan and convinced the mayor and the property owner and developer to hold off on the Bloomingdale's/Ritz Carlton for 1111 Main Street in favor of a proposal with a different anchor and locations that he's coordinating.

That effectively killed the deal. I personally asked the property owner and developer, why? Their response was they're going to give the assistant until the end of the year to put it all together.

Whatever he's doing won't top Bloomingdale's/Ritz Carlton, so backwards Houston leadership strikes again. Whatever they come up with at the end of the year will probably be inferior to the Bloomingdale's/Ritz Carlton plan.

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Anyone else think htownlive is full of it? He's going back on all of the crap that everyone started arguing about with him and swistig. I'd like to hear other people's opinion of this who are also "in the know"

 

i don't know much, but i know your first sentence is spot on. I've known it since the beginning.

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i don't know much, but i know your first sentence is spot on. I've known it since the beginning.

I disagree, I think HTOWN LIVE is spot on...always is.

Those "in the know, know." Those who don't know, resort to talking/starting. They should do so on an appropriate site and thread for gossip. This site is for professionals and architecture enthusiasts...I thought?

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I disagree, I think HTOWN LIVE is spot on...always is.

Those "in the know, know." Those who don't know, resort to talking/starting. They should do so on an appropriate site and thread for gossip. This site is for professionals and architecture enthusiasts...I thought?

You think you, yourself, is spot on?

If this doesn't confirm Htown live as someone's second bull account I don't know what will.

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ok look, as a citizen of our fair city of houston.. the future development as per downtown houston CBD is highly important to me.  heck, i even live downtown houston.  therefore, i and amongst other citizens of our great city.. only long for it to become the very best that it can become.  we want to impress our visitors, we want to accept / embrace the very highest standards of living possible within this growing CBD.  therefore, this is the ONLY reason that i openly entertain the insight being brought forth as per htown live.  i respect him as one our our HAIF stalwarts.  although, i am not certain as to what city wide position that he is hereby responsible for... i want him to know that i can easily respect him as a professional as well.

 

i am not here to lambast htown live.  i am not here to discredit his insight vs perspectives.  for as i have espoused beforehand... i am astute enough to know just how volatile and inconsistent this particular mode of work can be dealing with city government vs city wide planning... it can be utterly career ending to some.  therefore, htown live, please do not feel as though we are coming down hard upon you as person.  you are hereby a HAIF member (you are one of us) we do so respect you.  all that we are hereby asking in return.. is for you to deliver comprehensible insight, so that we may learn and move forward as per some sensible knowledge as to where we are headed upon the CBD / downtown vicinity.

 

maybe, you should have started off explaining to us, that there was a meeting that you were hereby involved in, that led to this strange inconsistent upheaval of prior planning.  this approach may have harbored a bit more sense as opposed to just throwing out discombobulated rhetoric regarding the old sakowitz building.  (it just did / does not make any sense)

 

we are all highly abreast to the simple fact that you are not at liberty to openly display all intimate details of your high level city government meetings.  this we do indeed understand.  however, what you can deliver to us... just make it comprehensible.. this is all that we are asking.  

 

 

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we shall learn to become a bit more realistic here my god pal.  if houston cannot even seem to lure a VIRGIN MEGASTORE.. i would highly doubt that a HARROD'S , SELFRIDGES, or even a GALORIES LAFAYETTE, shall want to entertain downtown houston at this more wonderful time during our current construction boom.  those particular brands, are EXTREMELY international.  to date they seem to only cater to the very wealthy vs european consumer. 

 

Virgin Megastore is overhyped. In this day and age when MP3's can be purchased from a computer and Kindles are everywhere, a gigantic movie, record and book store is rapidly becoming obsolete. Better to have Virgin Atlantic or Virgin America touching down at Intercontinental.

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Virgin Megastore is overhyped. In this day and age when MP3's can be purchased from a computer and Kindles are everywhere, a gigantic movie, record and book store is rapidly becoming obsolete. Better to have Virgin Atlantic or Virgin America touching down at Intercontinental.

toxtethogrady, god only knows that i love you my pal.  however, virgin megastore being overhyped is certainly your opinion.. but it's certainly not a fact!  virgin megastore, is one of the very first places that i look forward to visiting every time i arrive in dubai, uae.  the store at the dubai mall is indeed quite cool.. but the best store in dubai, is at the mall of the emirates.  everyone seems to be jammed packed in that store.  it's incredible, and an absolute blast. those stores, seem to harbor any and everything!  

 

as soon as i arrive back to dubai, uae... i shall definitely be headed there.

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It makes sense that Edens would want to "evaluate" the options in the pipeline. Having a more national portfolio, it makes sense that Edens might invest elsewhere if they have a chance of a higher return on investment.

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Hard to tell.. It seems to show the mid rise apartments in the back corner that were changed from that original high rise tower, so they could be "recent", but are they still moving forward with the redevelopment plans since the REIT got bought out?

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^^^ i don't rightly know just how old or even how new these renderings / concepts are, but i shall state this.... that hotel portion is simply incredible!  perfect orientation, brilliant design, beautiful scale, the absolute wow factor, you name it.  i mean just really look at this, these renders just cannot be that old.  these designs are state of the art and ultra modern.  simply brilliant architecture!  additionally, that hotel just has to be our long awaited W.....

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Yeah.. no way these renderings are older than an year or so.. I just checked again and that residential mid rise in the northwest corner is definitely the same one they changed the residential tower to be (they even announced a name and stuff for the mid rise I believe). Hopefully they still plan on doing this...

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The renderings may be current if the new owners decide to continue with the same concept/design.

 

 

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looks like decent compromise. About half of the original complex looks like will be spared, but the problem im still seeing is that they still feel very detached from the rest of the master plan. I just don't get it. But maybe that can get taken care off with more phases down the line.

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That office tower though...

The first rendering makes the office tower look huge! Probably a bit ambitious though...

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What is the woman in the yellow dress with the grey shawl doing? Riding a banana, hoverboard or desecracting a piece of art?

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What is the woman in the yellow dress with the grey shawl doing? Riding a banana, hoverboard or desecracting a piece of art?

Excellent question.

Separately, that first rendering makes the office tower look very tall. Would be quite an edifice.

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actually, that hotel is simply unbelievable!  talk about massive.  it looks as though it could be at least 42 floors....

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this looks to match the hotel/residential tower in the new renderings..

Very early look at phase 2 from the presentation, 800,000 square feet:

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The redevelopment project is still happening:

 

http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/2014/11/amreit-updates-development-plans-for-uptown-park/

 

The Palazzi at Uptown Park: A 16-story, 238-unit apartment building on 1.1 acres at the northwest portion of the Uptown Park property. The building would have 14,000 square feet of ground level-retail space. The total project cost, including land, is estimated at $134 million, and construction is expected to start in the second half of next year.

 

The Tower at Uptown Park: AmREIT is in negotiations with a four-star hotel flag and development partner for a mixed-use project on the southeast corner of Uptown Park, located at the corner of Loop 610 and Post Oak Boulevard. The plan involves a 37-story building with 310 hotel rooms, 236 apartments and 18,000 square feet of retail space. Total project costs are estimated at $200 million. Construction could begin within the next 15 months.

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actually, that hotel is simply unbelievable!  talk about massive.  it looks as though it could be at least 42 floors....

37 stories apparently..

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Some other takeaways from document:

 

  • "Phase 1 is anticipated to open in 2017" (kinda shocking to me)
  • Phase 2 is two buildings, is anticipated to open in 2018.

 

Also, I hope they only speak of two phases because these are the near term projects. I'm still hoping for more phases later on. I wonder why they don't have to consider those in this study, too.

 

 

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This is kind of a weird doc.  While the filing date and stamp both point to a May 2016 filing, the information appears unchanged from 2014 or 2015.  The "Area Conditions" section references several projects that are [were] anticipated as opening in 2015-2016 but never got out of the ground (JLB Post Oak - the site south of Astoria, and 800 Post Oak - the Inverness townhomes).  

 

That said, I would love to have the south-east pad developed... it would block some of the late-night motorcycle noise.

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can they hurry up and do this:  uptown%20park%20-%20concert.jpg

 would love to be able to walk to a cool outdoor music venue!

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Hell, I'd rather have Free Press here than in a s*****y parking lot.

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https://shopcompanies.com/sites/default/files/uptp151123book.pdf

 

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Uptown Park is the center of the well-known Uptown neighborhood of Houston.  With over 26 million visitors a year to Uptown Houston, Uptown Park is a place that’s the place for visitors, workers and neighbors.  Uptown Park will continue to evolve into the place within the community where connections are made and bonds are formed.  Recently acquired by Edens, plans for the repositioning include densification with new residential, anchor positions for retail, and enhanced improvements to the streetscape that will bring the retail landscape together.

 

 

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