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Just imagine that angle by 2017 when there will be a 10 story residential high rise, two 12+ story residential highrises and a new park on another of the blocks.. Besides the obvious 5 story apartment here...

The two 12 story buildings will be in the frame but not the 10 story.

I am drawing a blank on the park. Where will this be?

Edit: Looking at Google maps I counted 35 lots in SE downtown that are at least 50% covered by surface parking. I used polk as the northern boundary and main as the western boundary. Counted 60 blocks in total. This is is really a sad state judging by the fact that most of the occupied blocks host single story buildings

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^and the view will be from a newly renovated downtown icon.

unfortunately it wont be an icon after its renovated..

 

The two 12 story buildings will be in the frame but not the 10 story.

I am drawing a blank on the park. Where will this be?

Edit: Looking at Google maps I counted 35 lots in SE downtown that are at least 50% covered by surface parking. I used polk as the northern boundary and main as the western boundary. Counted 60 blocks in total. This is is really a sad state judging by the fact that most of the occupied blocks host single story buildings

they havent announced the location of the park yet, just that they are pursuing one in southern downtown. 

and i definitely wont argue with you that there are a ton of surface lots in south east downtown.. they dont call it the "parking lot district" for nothing. heh.. im looking forward to the park revitalizing the area and bringing new developments with it, as the other downtown parks have done for their respected districts. hopefully in the next decade that portion of downtown will be unrecognizable, filled with entertainment, residential and mixed use developments..

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The two 12 story buildings will be in the frame but not the 10 story.

I am drawing a blank on the park. Where will this be?

Edit: Looking at Google maps I counted 35 lots in SE downtown that are at least 50% covered by surface parking. I used polk as the northern boundary and main as the western boundary. Counted 60 blocks in total. This is is really a sad state judging by the fact that most of the occupied blocks host single story buildings

 

So the point your making is....?

 

There should be multiple buildings occupying 1 city block and none of these blocks should be parking?

 

I like the multiple uses for 1 block, and think that feels more urban. I think we see that north downtown. But in this former "parking district" it is unreasonable to assume that a parking lot block will be purchased in peices. This area of downtown is going to have, most likely, single buildings on it... Just because this is the case, doesnt mean it is bad.

 

What's done is done here. I wish the 1900s buildings still filled these blocks, but, i will take what we get here. Happy to see the development!

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So the point your making is....?

There should be multiple buildings occupying 1 city block and none of these blocks should be parking?

I like the multiple uses for 1 block, and think that feels more urban. I think we see that north downtown. But in this former "parking district" it is unreasonable to assume that a parking lot block will be purchased in peices. This area of downtown is going to have, most likely, single buildings on it... Just because this is the case, doesnt mean it is bad.

What's done is done here. I wish the 1900s buildings still filled these blocks, but, i will take what we get here. Happy to see the development!

The point I made was quite clear I said it is an ugly shot of downtown plain and simple.

Anyway if downtown is going to build a healthy residential population it is going to have to build UP soon.

The building that Alliance is building on this block isnt going to cut it.

The following are the number of total units if all 35 lots were occupied by:

Alliance-7250

Hines MS-8700 on 33 floors

Skyhouse- 11800 on 22 floors

Park Place-12000 on 30 floors not counting parking

Block 35-16200 on 40 floors

Thats an average of 10000 units. I am thinking that 102 floor building might start looking attractive if residential interest picks up. About 60 floors of residential in that building would do.

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Edit: Looking at Google maps I counted 35 lots in SE downtown that are at least 50% covered by surface parking. I used polk as the northern boundary and main as the western boundary. Counted 60 blocks in total. This is is really a sad state judging by the fact that most of the occupied blocks host single story buildings

 

I count 30 such blocks out of a total of 63 blocks in the specified area (counting Toyota Center as 4 blocks, which is the number it covers.  The good news is, that is 10 fewer blocks of surface parking than just a relatively few years ago:

 

Toyota Center and Tundra Garage and Hilton Americas/GRB Garage:  7 blocks

Sacred Heart Co-Cathedral:  1 block

Sky House:  3/4 block

Main & Leeland Apartments:  1 block

 

 

More good news:

 

There are apartment towers seriously proposed that will take away another 3 of those blocks.

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The point I made was quite clear I said it is an ugly shot of downtown plain and simple.

Anyway if downtown is going to build a healthy residential population it is going to have to build UP soon.

The building that Alliance is building on this block isnt going to cut it.

The following are the number of total units if all 35 lots were occupied by:

Alliance-7250

Hines MS-8700 on 33 floors

Skyhouse- 11800 on 22 floors

Park Place-12000 on 30 floors not counting parking

Block 35-16200 on 40 floors

Thats an average of 10000 units. I am thinking that 102 floor building might start looking attractive if residential interest picks up. About 60 floors of residential in that building would do.

 

Relax.  We don't have to rely on the Alliance project or projects like it to "cut it."  Your concern about needing to build UP soon seems especially odd when you are already aware of the projects that are doing so. There are at least 10 serious residential projects in the works downtown and the Alliance is the shortest.  The only other one with a single-digit floor count is Finger's 500 Crawford project.

 

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Relax. We don't have to rely on the Alliance project or projects like it to "cut it." Your concern about needing to build UP soon seems especially odd when you are already aware of the projects that are doing so. There are at least 10 serious residential projects in the works downtown and the Alliance is the shortest. The only other one with a single-digit floor count is Finger's 500 Crawford project.

I am relaxed.

Im just saying that eventually they are going to have to go up if they want a sizeable downtown population.

The 10 residential plans on the board amount to how many units? 2500??

I'm just saying that residential could return downtown to building tall again if the market keeps up.

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I count 30 such blocks out of a total of 63 blocks in the specified area (counting Toyota Center as 4 blocks, which is the number it covers.  The good news is, that is 10 fewer blocks of surface parking than just a relatively few years ago:

 

Toyota Center and Tundra Garage and Hilton Americas/GRB Garage:  7 blocks

Sacred Heart Co-Cathedral:  1 block

Sky House:  3/4 block

Main & Leeland Apartments:  1 block

 

 

More good news:

 

There are apartment towers seriously proposed that will take away another 3 of those blocks.

 

Sky House block had buildings on it that had to be demolished.

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I'll take a five story apartment building with 350 people living in it over a dreary parking lot on the southside of downtown right now.

Besides didn't you say there were 30 other blocks we could get the mid rise to hi rises built on. I think its important just to start

getting as many people as possible into downtown and if it takes a couple of these smaller projects to grease the wheel, that's fine with me. That's more warm bodies living in downtown.

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He also missed the point I made that a lot of the lots that do have buildings on them have one story buildings that will probably be demolished too.

The 10 story residential is going on the lot that had that glass store.

 

You missed the point.  ;-)  The residential developers are already going up. 

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Not up enough dang it. :P

Downtown has proposals for a 33 story, a 28 story, possibly a 38 story (depending on what thee texaco redevelopers decide), and now a 40 story residential highrise. Not counting the rumored 40+ story ritz with resi. But I agree, we can always build taller! Heh

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I stand corrected.  And your point was...?

 

To be clear, it remains a block that previously was more than 50% surface parking that is no longer more than 50% surface parking, thus this project reduces the count of such blocks by one, as originally stated.  (And instead of gaining 75% of a block converted from surface parking we merely gain 70%?)   I would correct my earlier post but the edit button is not making itself available.

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Downtown has proposals for a 33 story, a 28 story, possibly a 38 story (depending on what thee texaco redevelopers decide), and now a 40 story residential highrise. Not counting the rumored 40+ story ritz with resi. But I agree, we can always build taller! Heh

All small fry :P

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um.. people who want to see the downtown population grow so that other amenities will finally start to come to downtown so we can have a vibrant place thats not just a 9-5 destination...

This is true, and I agree. I wish the appearance of the building was all brick instead of the trendy, expected apartment building. I think we can all agree this building is showing a good trend, but it definitely isn't super exciting within itself, and that's ok.

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I lived in Houston House for 7 years and I gotta say, passed by today and this area looks like a whole different animal.

Its like night and day, you can feel the new energy thats about to be here between Houston House, Sky House, Alliance, the new Holiday Inn and the light rail, this is gonna be a VIBRANT area soon, and with more to come!!!

I cant wait!

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^Not a very diverse group of residents!  What do they think this is.. Dallas?!

 

Seriously though no disrespect to our fine neighbors up north)... I'm just teasing B)

 

Fine with the name.  Could have been some convaluted "Gardens at Central City Park" or "The Falls at Fannin" or "The Adventor" or some other ridiculous name Aparments tend to go for.

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This is a developer who knows how to take advantage of an incentive program. Building design looks like it was stolen from something on W. Dallas, name was read off the plat map, and website designed from stock photos. And they'll make plenty of money because no one was smart enough to get there first.

 

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