swtsig Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 To hell with the haif-arazzi naysayers, this thing is awesome. I may seriously consider moving there. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Gets better looking with each rendering! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 looks like they changed up the retail on the ground floor a little.. i wonder if there is less retail now or if its the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 To hell with the haif-arazzi naysayers, this thing is awesome. I may seriously consider moving there.Hines never disappoints.And I want to live there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDierker Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) A lantern on top that lights up at night! Glo worm fan club ftw. Edited October 20, 2013 by LarryDierker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 looks like they changed up the retail on the ground floor a little.. i wonder if there is less retail now or if its the same.Jesus dude just enjoy it for once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 huh? i wasnt complaining. i love the tower, and rarely complain about things so i dont understand the "for once".. just pointing out/curious how the ground floor interaction with the street will be now that its slightly different at the bottom and doesnt look like as many store fronts. i would love to live here too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The glow and framing of the entrance is really nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 huh? i wasnt complaining. i love the tower, and rarely complain about things so i dont understand the "for once".. just pointing out/curious how the ground floor interaction with the street will be now that its slightly different at the bottom and doesnt look like as many store fronts. i would love to live here too! my apologies - some of the comments on this board have irked me a lot lately. i feel like mister x or something 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jackwood Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 It's more like you need a hit of Mister X or something. Just kidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 ^That's jacked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Doesnt look bad. Reminds me of something in Austin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLan34 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 http://swamplot.com/the-best-views-yet-of-hiness-market-square-apartment-tower-and-its-downtown-headlight/2014-01-06/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Based on the rendering will there be apartments facing the street on the same levels as the garage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't think so. Notice the balconies don't continue on the garage levels. Plus the initial plans said something to the extent of "one level of retail, 7 levels of garage, and 25 stories of residential". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 As Swamplot noted, it seems like they've taken out the ground floor retail that appeared to be on Preston Street in the initial renderings. A propos of this, I want to make some negative comments about this project, since all we've done so far is shower gratitude on Hines: 1. Looks kind of stumpy. 2. The glass treatment on the facade gives it a sleek, yuppie feel more appropriate for Uptown. The historic district ideally deserves a full masonry treatment, something classy like the Museum Tower. 3. The horizontal bands on the upper floors remind me of those scrolling thin green lines on old tv's, pre-1990. The vertical brick pilasters on the lower floors look nice; why not something more like this further up? 4. If the corner entrance area is a grand residents' entrance and not retail as I suspect, it's a wasted opportunity. Prominent corner retail and side retail with potential for outdoor restaurant seating would be fantastic here. Residents do not need a giant lobby to come into. If you're going to do ground floor retail, might as well go all the way and do something amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) As Swamplot noted, it seems like they've taken out the ground floor retail that appeared to be on Preston Street in the initial renderings. A propos of this, I want to make some negative comments about this project, since all we've done so far is shower gratitude on Hines: 1. Looks kind of stumpy. 2. The glass treatment on the facade gives it a sleek, yuppie feel more appropriate for Uptown. The historic district ideally deserves a full masonry treatment, something classy like the Museum Tower. 3. The horizontal bands on the upper floors remind me of those scrolling thin green lines on old tv's, pre-1990. The vertical brick pilasters on the lower floors look nice; why not something more like this further up? 4. If the corner entrance area is a grand residents' entrance and not retail as I suspect, it's a wasted opportunity. Prominent corner retail and side retail with potential for outdoor restaurant seating would be fantastic here. Residents do not need a giant lobby to come into. If you're going to do ground floor retail, might as well go all the way and do something amazing. Well that's a relief. I was afraid H-Town Man had had a stroke or something. ;-) Oh, and from ZieglerCooper's description of the building: "The corner of Travis and Preston streets has a welcoming porch for outdoor dining which reinforces pedestrian activity at the street level." Edited January 7, 2014 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I don't know if this is truly the finalized rendering... I say this because I remember the first rendering looked most similar to this, then I distinctly remember a second rendering that looked a little different (better in proportions, but less . The rendering above looks similar to the 1st. If this is truly the 3rd rendering, then I agree in the sense that this is the worst of the 3 I've seen. This is such a unique space, and this is better than I was expecting. I think it needs to be MOSTLY brick, and accents of the other materials, as opposed to vice versa, as they mentioned. I hope they make this as classic as possible, with the hints of modernity as the accents. Either way,it will be an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) As is so often the case with those who want only to be relentlessly negative (e.g., Swamplot), the reduction of retail on the Preston side is noted and bemoaned, but the countervailing increase of retail on the Travis side goes unmentioned (they moved the auto entrance/exit from the Travis side to the Preston side). Edited January 7, 2014 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 This is a modern highrise. Brick is really inappropriate in this context. I disagree that the museum tower is "classy" and the fact that's it's a huge brick box is most of the problem. Have always been disappointed by it. Swamplot was speculating about ground floor arrangements. I'm sure Hines sees the benefits of retail at the base and will take advantage of it if possible. I still really like the overall design and look we are seeing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 As is so often the case with those who want only to be relentlessly negative (e.g., Swamplot), the reduction of retail on the Preston side is noted and bemoaned, but the countervailing increase of retail on the Travis side goes unmentioned (they moved the auto entrance/exit from the Travis side to the Preston side).In earlier renderings there was retail on both streets with only a single bay taken out for the garage entrance on Travis. Now there seems to be no retail at all on Preston. I think this is what Swamplot noted, though didn't really bemoan (I'm bemoaning it though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 This "new" one doesnt look any different than the first full rendering we saw: http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/28306-hines-market-square-residential-highrise/page-7#entry437302 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 When does this start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 This "new" one doesnt look any different than the first full rendering we saw: http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/28306-hines-market-square-residential-highrise/page-7#entry437302Yeah we've already seen the renderings and information. Swamplot is just now posting an article on this, months later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 In earlier renderings there was retail on both streets with only a single bay taken out for the garage entrance on Travis. Now there seems to be no retail at all on Preston. I think this is what Swamplot noted, though didn't really bemoan (I'm bemoaning it though). I'm very familiar with the earlier renderings (and site plans), the new renderings, and both Swamplots and your notes and bemoanings. The new plan has very close to the same total retail frontage as the original rendering (and includes retail at the corner, some of it fronting on Preston. Both Swamplot and you only noted the removal of retail on one side and failed to note the similar amount added to the other side. (But one presumes that, since there is parking in the levels above the retail, none of it can count as legitimate retail space anyway...) ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 This "new" one doesnt look any different than the first full rendering we saw: http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/28306-hines-market-square-residential-highrise/page-7#entry437302It was the close up Swamplot said was new, not the rendering you linked to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I'm very familiar with the earlier renderings (and site plans), the new renderings, and both Swamplots and your notes and bemoanings. The new plan has very close to the same total retail frontage as the original rendering (and includes retail at the corner, some of it fronting on Preston. Both Swamplot and you only noted the removal of retail on one side and failed to note the similar amount added to the other side. (But one presumes that, since there is parking in the levels above the retail, none of it can count as legitimate retail space anyway...) ;-) The second rendering below is the one I had in mind that shows retail on both streets: The latest rendering shown on Swamplot... would seem to show a net loss in retail from the earlier "Revised" rendering. The difference is not "countervailing," as you say, since the "Revised" rendering shows 5 bays of retail space on two streets plus the corner, versus 4 bays on one street plus the corner in the current rendering. If as you say the corner space is retail, and not a residents' entrance, then the difference in retail space is indeed a minor one. I hope that is the case, although I suspect that my "bemoanings" bother you even more when they are for minor things than when they are for major ones. ;-) Edited January 7, 2014 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'm actually a little happy it's not just a solid glass building. I think the different facades will blend in nicely with the palates of colors in the area. Also, not having as much ground floor retail might be beneficial to the retail spaces that already exist. Baby steps... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 H-Town Man, in the revised rendering (the second of the ones colored by a third grader) I don't see any garage entrance. I agree the retail wraps all of the way around which would be awesome, but unless I am missing it, they forgot to cut out the portion that would have to go for the entrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 H-Town Man, in the revised rendering (the second of the ones colored by a third grader) I don't see any garage entrance. I agree the retail wraps all of the way around which would be awesome, but unless I am missing it, they forgot to cut out the portion that would have to go for the entrance. It's there on the far right end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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