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I did talk to her.  How you do if the owner is a man or a woman.  See did not seem so thrill that Hines will build around them.  Where is the proof that he bought that parking lot next to Frank's?  I do not have the time to the courthouse.  That rendering is a joke, I wonder who received it?

 

Um, huh?

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Who received this rendering?  It does not look right.  This cannot be across the street from Market Square.  It does not show the clock tower or Warren's and there is a restaurant on the corner.  I talk the owner of Warren's and she also owns La Carafe and the only thing she said is traffic will get worse.  Hines did not buy the whole block. 

 

 "I'm no expert but i have a very strong opinion!"

 

- Tracy Jordan

 

i think this quote summarizes your post perfectly.

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Finally getting the downtown weve always wanted... Thank you Mayor Parker for the residential incentive program for developers... This is amazing, we can expect more name brand retail in the next couole of yrs before the Super Bowl

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I know details are light but do we know if this will be condos for sale or apts for lease?

Apt but can be converted to condo in the future.

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Apt but can be converted to condo in the future.

 

So swtsig - is that the motive of these developers currently building highrise apartments since the capital is flowing to multifamily rental right now?

 

I ask because I don't ever recall 20-40 story highrise apartment buildings going up in Houston as we are experiencing now.  With the exception of a couple of galleria area towers in the early 2000's (1200 Post Oak & Whitco's apartment building on McCue), in previous cycles the highrise multifamily buildings were generally condo units to my knowledge.

 

Maybe with high end finishes, projects like Hanover's BLVD Place, 2929 Weslayan, Hermann Place, Hines Market Square all plan condo conversions in the future. Quite clever if you ask me - build what the banks are currently financing (apartments) only to convert to what you really wanted to build in the first place (condos) later - possibly even before finishing construction?

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When does constrution start?

 

It was presented as a proposal to the Historical Commission (whoever they are) according to the Swamplot article.

 

I'd guess it is well short of a done deal.

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It was presented as a proposal to the Historical Commission (whoever they are) according to the Swamplot article.

 

I'd guess it is well short of a done deal.

 

Swtsig told us in the 42 Story Museum District Apartment Tower thread that "Hines' downtown residential is a done deal."

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Swtsig told us in the 42 Story Museum District Apartment Tower thread that "Hines' downtown residential is a done deal."

 

That's cool. Hopefully he's right.

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wow, fantastic find!
are there not plans for other towers in the planning commission website? it would be neat to get some more official information about some of the other buildings going up.

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Nice size residential building. My apologies if this has been answered, how many apartment units are they planning for the site?

/edit: nevermind- 289 units listed on the PDF

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I'm confused. Based on that picture the top of the building looks to be about 390 feet.

You're right. I made a mistake, the height is 392 feet.

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wow, fantastic find!

are there not plans for other towers in the planning commission website? it would be neat to get some more official information about some of the other buildings going up.

Sometimes there is info on a tower online from the planning commission. Nothing really on the website that I have access to. I would like to know the height for other towers going up as well.

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There is really no reason to turn down the development when you think about it. This city is building building building!

 

Sure there is. It's a historical district. Have you ever seen developers grovel before the commission? It's pretty good tv. Their meetings are aired every other Wednesday I think on one of the public access channels. I think HCC tv or city of Houston tv, something like that.

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This isn't an $800,000 house in the Heights. This is a massive, expensive, important project downtown. Even if the commission ends up having some problems with it, I don't see them stopping it.

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This isn't an $800,000 house in the Heights. This is a massive, expensive, important project downtown. Even if the commission ends up having some problems with it, I don't see them stopping it.

 

I hope they don't. But the commission denies or delays COA's very often. They deny them to home owners in the Heights and developers along main street. Like I said I hope they don't, but just because you feel it's important plays no bearing on whether a COA is approved. Nobody is putting a gun to Hine's head and forcing them to build inside a historical district. They are choosing to build there and thus are under the jurisdiction of the commission.

 

http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/HistoricPres/HistoricPreservationManual/new_construction.html

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If, for the sake of argument, HAHC denies or defers it, that will delay it a maximum of 6 weeks. it will easily pass planning commission on appeal.

 

I sincerely doubt it will get that far though. This is a many-multi-million dollar project. HAHC is as subject to political pressure as anyone.

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I am glad there's a commission and I am glad that Hines is trying to cooperate and be respectful of the environment.

 

Remember, an entire block fronting Market Square was destroyed in the 1980s by a developer who did the demolition in the middle of the night without permits. We then were "gifted" the wonderful Kim Son Garage instead of having a block that looked similar to where Warren's Inn is located.

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Oh I'm very glad this is an historic district. Hines itself is very guilty of wiping out historic buildings without regard. Honestly I would say 609 Main is a decent example.

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Oh I'm very glad this is an historic district. Hines itself is very guilty of wiping out historic buildings without regard. Honestly I would say 609 Main is a decent example.

609 Main is an example of wiping out historic buildings without regard? ? ?

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Sure there is. It's a historical district. Have you ever seen developers grovel before the commission? It's pretty good tv. Their meetings are aired every other Wednesday I think on one of the public access channels. I think HCC tv or city of Houston tv, something like that.

This is true!

I remember watching Tilman Fertitta at the podium getting the third degree when he was trying to get the Downtown Aquarium approved. Boy did they not like that guy!

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Remember, an entire block fronting Market Square was destroyed in the 1980s by a developer who did the demolition in the middle of the night without permits. We then were "gifted" the wonderful Kim Son Garage instead of having a block that looked similar to where Warren's Inn is located.

 

LINK? Would like to hear more about this.

 

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I have vague memories from the 70s of Market Square being surrounded by a lot more cool old buildings.  Especially on the west and (I think) the south sides.  I remember the "Kim Son" garage replacing some of them.  However, the Chronicle also put in a garage in that era, but I don't recall what it replaced.  Anyone know?

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I never get on the "save everything banner" but after reading all the articles and old threads this is depressing - what's not depressing is the amount of new activity and residential downtown - guess I am glad there's some market square left!

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I have vague memories from the 70s of Market Square being surrounded by a lot more cool old buildings.  Especially on the west and (I think) the south sides.  I remember the "Kim Son" garage replacing some of them.  However, the Chronicle also put in a garage in that era, but I don't recall what it replaced.  Anyone know?

 

Is the Chronicle's garage really that "new"?  It looks like it's about 200 years old.  That thing really needs to be torn down.  One of the biggest filthiest eyesores in downtown Houston.   Gawd, I hate the Chronicle.

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Is the Chronicle's garage really that "new"? It looks like it's about 200 years old. That thing really needs to be torn down. One of the biggest filthiest eyesores in downtown Houston. Gawd, I hate the Chronicle.

Tell us how you really feel.

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Moar renderings.

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Here's the best part, another apartment tower is planned, and International Tower is 46-floors.

 

 

Rendering porn! Thanks for the info Urbannizer.  And that other apartment tower is news to me.  Looks like Market Square is really starting to make a return on investment.

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On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg?

Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before.

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On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg?

Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before.

 

I think we have a thread about it somewhere on here - I don't remember exactly what it is supposed to be. I'm sure someone out there remembers.

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I think we have a thread about it somewhere on here - I don't remember exactly what it is supposed to be. I'm sure someone out there remembers.

Well it's to the north of Frank's/BigBad bldg so maybe it's part of this development. Like a faux bldg that's actually a utilites alleyway with a facade-fence. Edited by infinite_jim

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On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg?

Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before.

I think it must be part of the new Hines building. Makes for a better tansition to the 2-story Franks/Big Bad building.

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I think it must be part of the new Hines building. Makes for a better tansition to the 2-story Franks/Big Bad building.

I'm almost positive it is a separate plan that was announced early '13 late '12.

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