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After looking at the linked document in more detail, it is apparently not part of the Hines project.   On one page there is a note on the renderings that says something like "421 Travis approved."   Very interesting.  Wish someone could find the info.

 

 

It's exactly what it looks like. An old fashioned zero lot line commercial storefront building.

 

 

It was approved in 1928 but has been on hold due to financing difficulties. Going to be a new A&P grocery. Previous renderings for a 60' wide flagship A&P have been scaled down; hopefully this is the final design.

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It looks like the lot between Frank's and where the apt. tower will be has not been sold.  There's an "Available" real estate sign still up.

 

That doesn't necessarily mean anything.  Realtors and developers often do not rush out on closing day to take down their signs.  I suspect this is even more common in the commercial world than in the residential world.

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Actually, Urbannizer's list of projects says the start date is in 2014.  No mention of which quarter.  The downtown development map says expected completion is "fall 2016."

 

 

H-Town Man is referring to the link below (page 29). I did not realize a start date was given --development list updated.

 

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54482015/CHI%20Breakfast%20Presentation%20for%20publication.pdf

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H-Town Man is referring to the link below (page 29). I did not realize a start date was given --development list updated.

 

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54482015/CHI%20Breakfast%20Presentation%20for%20publication.pdf

 

Ahhhh...   Well, shoot. A little disappointing they aren't starting sooner.  Hopefully, that is incorrect.  I'm just getting a little impatient for some of these downtown high-rises (both office and residential) to get started and see some more cranes in the sky.  ;-)

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Why is the start date so far in the future when other projects like Hermann Place were just announced and already about to start? Think it's to give 609 Main some time to get off the ground so Hines doesn't have 2 projects starting at the same time?

 

I doubt it, Hines is a very large company and at any given time has multiple projects under construction all over the place.  I would think it has more to do with where they are in the design/development stages.  We've already seen a couple of different versions in just a few weeks which leads me to believe that they are still working out the design.  It takes it a bit of time to then finalize construction documents.

 

The other projects were much further along development wise before they went public I'm sure.  Hines also has a lot more hoops to jump through with it's location vs projects like Hermann Place.

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Agreed. Definitely worth subscribing for. Love that we can all look forward to something new almost every weekend now.

I wish the hbj would step their game back up, they're much cheaper to subscribe to than the chron paid side. Sunday mornings used to be the Chrons big news day, is Saturday mornings it now, at least for real estate?

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I wish the hbj would step their game back up, they're much cheaper to subscribe to than the chron paid side. Sunday mornings used to be the Chrons big news day, is Saturday mornings it now, at least for real estate?

 

I think new articles on real estate are released on both Saturday and Sunday mornings, if I'm not mistaken. With Saturday mornings being the better news day for real estate.

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So any time frame on when we could get to see a rendering of the entire building?  I've been pestering a friend at Ziegler+Cooper and he has yet to respond to my questions.

 

And what is the over/under on this thing getting scrapped during the next 11 months before construction starts?  That is a long time to sit on Hines "Starting Soon" docket.

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So any time frame on when we could get to see a rendering of the entire building?  I've been pestering a friend at Ziegler+Cooper and he has yet to respond to my questions.

 

And what is the over/under on this thing getting scrapped during the next 11 months before construction starts?  That is a long time to sit on Hines "Starting Soon" docket.

? there were a few full sized renderings posted on here and Swamplot a while back. about a week after it was first announced with the teaser pic.

as for the latter question. im curious as well..

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Thanks.  And, though I've not posted here in years I have been creeping with some of these threads...  I had forgotten the rendering in the background that was on the Channel 13 broadcast.

 

I still want to see THAT rendering without any of the mess around it.  And I'm honestly more interested in the "backside" of the building - since we have no idea just how good/bad that could be.  One has to worry when rendering crop up that only show 1 angle, that means the design on the otherside is purposely being hidden (or the architects are just being cheap - renderings are pricey).  I should know, I've seen it done at all the firms I've worked at over the years.

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Thanks.  And, though I've not posted here in years I have been creeping with some of these threads...  I had forgotten the rendering in the background that was on the Channel 13 broadcast.

 

I still want to see THAT rendering without any of the mess around it.  And I'm honestly more interested in the "backside" of the building - since we have no idea just how good/bad that could be.  One has to worry when rendering crop up that only show 1 angle, that means the design on the otherside is purposely being hidden (or the architects are just being cheap - renderings are pricey).  I should know, I've seen it done at all the firms I've worked at over the years.

i wouldnt say they are hiding anything.. just showing the view of the tower that most people will see when visiting Market Square park. the bottom half of the back side will be blocked by the 10ish story buildings along Main. im sure the other side will look fine.

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Then the architects are saving the thousands of their fees that would go towards getting that other rendering.  I'm sure if it starts to manifest itself from more than just a rendering and construction is near then we will see some additional details here and there.

 

Personally, of all the buildings proposed for downtown this is the one I like the most and think that it will have the greatest impact on the city as a whole.  If modern highrise living in downtown both from Hines and whats their name further south on Main Street work, then we can start to expect more and more development of this typology.

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I agree, I'm also excited about this project, particularly because of the location and the company that is developing it.  And, likewise, for its potential to have a changing impact on our city.  With 150,000 + people working downtown, its rather surprising that downtown Austin has so much more highrise residential development, despite the much smaller workforce there.  This project alone isn't enough to change the situation, but it will play an important role along with other improvements in the area.  E.g., continued improvements along the bayou, including flood-bypass channels.

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yep. this whole downtown residential initiative has been a huge success, but as well as its going, we should have even more. its good to see developers feeling more comfortable dipping into the market since the success of One Park Place though. hopefully this trend continues even after the initiative has expired.

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I agree, I'm also excited about this project, particularly because of the location and the company that is developing it.  And, likewise, for its potential to have a changing impact on our city.  With 150,000 + people working downtown, its rather surprising that downtown Austin has so much more highrise residential development, despite the much smaller workforce there.  This project alone isn't enough to change the situation, but it will play an important role along with other improvements in the area.  E.g., continued improvements along the bayou, including flood-bypass channels.

 

Downtown Austin has a nice lake in front of it. Downtown Houston is surrounded mostly by freeways, and has to compete with the Galleria area and anywhere between downtown and the west loop that a developer might happen to drop a pin on a map.  The average Houstonian high-rise customer still hasn't figured out that if all the high-rise people live in one place, the whole will be greater than the sum of its parts.

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That lake is also man made...

 

Houston offers more highrise diversity than Austin...so far.  And as such we have fewer concentrations of high rise living than what we now see in Austin's downtown area.  The difference is we have 5-7 different areas where residential towers have proliferated over the years.

 

And this project, while not enough to drastically change Downtown forever, it is enough to help move Downtown in a more residential friendly direction.  Given Hines' desire to build exclusively commercial buildings I can say that this project is non-the-less very promising.

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Downtown Austin has a nice lake in front of it. Downtown Houston is surrounded mostly by freeways...

 

Downtown Houston now has Discovery Green and Market Square Park, and soon will have a re-developed Buffalo Bayou.  Not to mention 3 light rail lines while Austin has some sort of commuter rail that doesn't seem like it would serve any purpose if you were living downtown other than to reverse commute.  Or all the pro sports and world class cultural things Houston has to offer downtown. 

 

I think what has held downtown Houston back has been the lack of grocery stores and green space, and now that is changing... lack of good public schools is still going to be a drawback for any families looking to move downtown.  I don't think downtown Houston is "surrounded" by freeways any more than Austin is surrounded by I-35, MoPac, etc... certainly not something that is preventing people from living downtown.  Although I suppose I could understand your perspective if you rode the ferris wheel at the Aquarium, which provides a lovely view of... I-45.  :mellow:

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