nativehoustonion Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Just go over there and ask if the owner is there. She also owns La Carafe that is the only way to verify the truth. They do have good drinks, maybe I had to many! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I did talk to her. How you do if the owner is a man or a woman. See did not seem so thrill that Hines will build around them. Where is the proof that he bought that parking lot next to Frank's? I do not have the time to the courthouse. That rendering is a joke, I wonder who received it? Um, huh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Who received this rendering? It does not look right. This cannot be across the street from Market Square. It does not show the clock tower or Warren's and there is a restaurant on the corner. I talk the owner of Warren's and she also owns La Carafe and the only thing she said is traffic will get worse. Hines did not buy the whole block. "I'm no expert but i have a very strong opinion!" - Tracy Jordan i think this quote summarizes your post perfectly. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Ugh. I see a pattern developing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I know details are light but do we know if this will be condos for sale or apts for lease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Finally getting the downtown weve always wanted... Thank you Mayor Parker for the residential incentive program for developers... This is amazing, we can expect more name brand retail in the next couole of yrs before the Super Bowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I know details are light but do we know if this will be condos for sale or apts for lease?Apt but can be converted to condo in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Stonian Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Apt but can be converted to condo in the future. So swtsig - is that the motive of these developers currently building highrise apartments since the capital is flowing to multifamily rental right now? I ask because I don't ever recall 20-40 story highrise apartment buildings going up in Houston as we are experiencing now. With the exception of a couple of galleria area towers in the early 2000's (1200 Post Oak & Whitco's apartment building on McCue), in previous cycles the highrise multifamily buildings were generally condo units to my knowledge. Maybe with high end finishes, projects like Hanover's BLVD Place, 2929 Weslayan, Hermann Place, Hines Market Square all plan condo conversions in the future. Quite clever if you ask me - build what the banks are currently financing (apartments) only to convert to what you really wanted to build in the first place (condos) later - possibly even before finishing construction? Edited August 27, 2013 by HOUSTONIAN (N-ATL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 When does constrution start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) When does constrution start? It was presented as a proposal to the Historical Commission (whoever they are) according to the Swamplot article. I'd guess it is well short of a done deal. Edited August 27, 2013 by Nate99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Since this is in an historic district, Hines has to go through the commission before they can get permitted. Next commission hearing is September 12:http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/Commissions/commiss_hahc.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 It was presented as a proposal to the Historical Commission (whoever they are) according to the Swamplot article. I'd guess it is well short of a done deal. Swtsig told us in the 42 Story Museum District Apartment Tower thread that "Hines' downtown residential is a done deal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Swtsig told us in the 42 Story Museum District Apartment Tower thread that "Hines' downtown residential is a done deal." That's cool. Hopefully he's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 There is really no reason to turn down the development when you think about it. This city is building building building! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 The size of the high-rise: 650k square feet The height: 359ft and a larger rendering.. http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/Commissions/docs_pdfs/draft_reports/IIa_900_Preston_New_Construction_Action.pdf 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 wow, fantastic find!are there not plans for other towers in the planning commission website? it would be neat to get some more official information about some of the other buildings going up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdueenginerd Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) Nice size residential building. My apologies if this has been answered, how many apartment units are they planning for the site?/edit: nevermind- 289 units listed on the PDF Edited September 1, 2013 by Purdueenginerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsatyr Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I'm confused. Based on that picture the top of the building looks to be about 390 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I'm confused. Based on that picture the top of the building looks to be about 390 feet.You're right. I made a mistake, the height is 392 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 wow, fantastic find!are there not plans for other towers in the planning commission website? it would be neat to get some more official information about some of the other buildings going up.Sometimes there is info on a tower online from the planning commission. Nothing really on the website that I have access to. I would like to know the height for other towers going up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 There is really no reason to turn down the development when you think about it. This city is building building building! Sure there is. It's a historical district. Have you ever seen developers grovel before the commission? It's pretty good tv. Their meetings are aired every other Wednesday I think on one of the public access channels. I think HCC tv or city of Houston tv, something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 This isn't an $800,000 house in the Heights. This is a massive, expensive, important project downtown. Even if the commission ends up having some problems with it, I don't see them stopping it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 This isn't an $800,000 house in the Heights. This is a massive, expensive, important project downtown. Even if the commission ends up having some problems with it, I don't see them stopping it. I hope they don't. But the commission denies or delays COA's very often. They deny them to home owners in the Heights and developers along main street. Like I said I hope they don't, but just because you feel it's important plays no bearing on whether a COA is approved. Nobody is putting a gun to Hine's head and forcing them to build inside a historical district. They are choosing to build there and thus are under the jurisdiction of the commission. http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/HistoricPres/HistoricPreservationManual/new_construction.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 If, for the sake of argument, HAHC denies or defers it, that will delay it a maximum of 6 weeks. it will easily pass planning commission on appeal. I sincerely doubt it will get that far though. This is a many-multi-million dollar project. HAHC is as subject to political pressure as anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I am glad there's a commission and I am glad that Hines is trying to cooperate and be respectful of the environment. Remember, an entire block fronting Market Square was destroyed in the 1980s by a developer who did the demolition in the middle of the night without permits. We then were "gifted" the wonderful Kim Son Garage instead of having a block that looked similar to where Warren's Inn is located. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Oh I'm very glad this is an historic district. Hines itself is very guilty of wiping out historic buildings without regard. Honestly I would say 609 Main is a decent example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Oh I'm very glad this is an historic district. Hines itself is very guilty of wiping out historic buildings without regard. Honestly I would say 609 Main is a decent example.609 Main is an example of wiping out historic buildings without regard? ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Sure there is. It's a historical district. Have you ever seen developers grovel before the commission? It's pretty good tv. Their meetings are aired every other Wednesday I think on one of the public access channels. I think HCC tv or city of Houston tv, something like that.This is true!I remember watching Tilman Fertitta at the podium getting the third degree when he was trying to get the Downtown Aquarium approved. Boy did they not like that guy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Remember, an entire block fronting Market Square was destroyed in the 1980s by a developer who did the demolition in the middle of the night without permits. We then were "gifted" the wonderful Kim Son Garage instead of having a block that looked similar to where Warren's Inn is located. LINK? Would like to hear more about this. TY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/8617-oldest-buildings-in-houston/ FOUND IT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchFan Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I have vague memories from the 70s of Market Square being surrounded by a lot more cool old buildings. Especially on the west and (I think) the south sides. I remember the "Kim Son" garage replacing some of them. However, the Chronicle also put in a garage in that era, but I don't recall what it replaced. Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I never get on the "save everything banner" but after reading all the articles and old threads this is depressing - what's not depressing is the amount of new activity and residential downtown - guess I am glad there's some market square left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I have vague memories from the 70s of Market Square being surrounded by a lot more cool old buildings. Especially on the west and (I think) the south sides. I remember the "Kim Son" garage replacing some of them. However, the Chronicle also put in a garage in that era, but I don't recall what it replaced. Anyone know? Is the Chronicle's garage really that "new"? It looks like it's about 200 years old. That thing really needs to be torn down. One of the biggest filthiest eyesores in downtown Houston. Gawd, I hate the Chronicle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Is the Chronicle's garage really that "new"? It looks like it's about 200 years old. That thing really needs to be torn down. One of the biggest filthiest eyesores in downtown Houston. Gawd, I hate the Chronicle.Tell us how you really feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Isn't the Chronicle garage shared with the Hogg Palace residents and office workers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 "A 33-story Market Square multifamily development with 289 units at 327,000 square feet. He said the company expects to be completed with this project by the first quarter of 2016" .http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/breaking-ground/2013/09/three-top-real-estate-professionals.html 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Moar renderings. Here's the best part, another apartment tower is planned, and International Tower is 46-floors. http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/Commissions/docs_pdfs/draft_reports/Ia_900_Preston_New_Const_Defferal_DRAFT.pdf 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Works for me. Where is block 35? If it's that empty block on lower Main I'll faint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Works for me. Where is block 35? If it's that empty block on lower Main I'll faint. http://downtownhouston.org/site_media/uploads/attachments/2012-04-09/Downtown_block_numbering.pdf Block 35 is bounded by Louisiana, Preston, Milam, and Congress. Half the block is surface parking, the other half is a 5-ish story parking garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 So the Kim Son block. I assume the southern half, not demo'ing the garage. Market Square is getting some love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Moar renderings. Here's the best part, another apartment tower is planned, and International Tower is 46-floors. Rendering porn! Thanks for the info Urbannizer. And that other apartment tower is news to me. Looks like Market Square is really starting to make a return on investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg? Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before. Edited September 12, 2013 by infinite_jim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Looks interesting. The height of this building will make it nice infill Downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg?Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before. I think we have a thread about it somewhere on here - I don't remember exactly what it is supposed to be. I'm sure someone out there remembers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Wow it will have nice views of downtown skyline from floor 33! Thanks Urbannizer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) I think we have a thread about it somewhere on here - I don't remember exactly what it is supposed to be. I'm sure someone out there remembers.Well it's to the north of Frank's/BigBad bldg so maybe it's part of this development. Like a faux bldg that's actually a utilites alleyway with a facade-fence. Edited September 12, 2013 by infinite_jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Well it's to the north of Frank's/BigBad bldg so maybe it's part of this development. Like a faux bldg that's actually a utilites alleyway with a facade-fence.It's also on HAHC'S agenda:http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/Commissions/docs_pdfs/draft_reports/In_413_Travis_NewCon_Revison_DRAFT.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 On the Travis St. elevation what's the little 3 storey bldg with balconies north of the bldg?Also looks like a complete structural redesign in that there's more and thinner columns compared to before.I think it must be part of the new Hines building. Makes for a better tansition to the 2-story Franks/Big Bad building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I think it must be part of the new Hines building. Makes for a better tansition to the 2-story Franks/Big Bad building.I'm almost positive it is a separate plan that was announced early '13 late '12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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