Moore713 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 That because mom and pop places don't cater to outside money...most focus on repeat business from a loyal base...that means they would draw the bulk of their money from those who call downtown, home and the business around them..the add advantage of focusing them along dallas st would be the hotel and convention crowd.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) The sumiain problem with most thought process is making downtown into a retail destination. .truth not going to ha7at least in our life time...the galleria area just has too huge a advantage in name recognition and size. .Downtown best is to seek out unquine small stores and to get them to cluster in a given area ( Dallas st)...similar to how the downtown bar scene was revived...examples why would I go all the way to sak downtown when the one in galleria would most likely be bigger and connect to more high end stores...of I jus want a day of shopp5...now if I'm from out of town and attending a convention with maybe a hr to spare between prestation..I'm might dip out for a quick bit and to look are that intresting little boutique I saw as I was heading towards m the convention center Edited April 2, 2015 by Moore713 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The sumiain problem with most thought process is making downtown into a retail destination. .truth not going to ha7at least in our life time...the galleria area just has too huge a advantage in name recognition and size. .Downtown best is to seek out unquine small stores and to get them to cluster in a given area ( Dallas st)...similar to how the downtown bar scene was revived...examples why would I go all the way to sak downtown when the one in galleria would most likely be bigger and connect to more high end stores...of I jus want a day of shopp5...now if I'm from out of town and attending a convention with maybe a hr to spare between prestation..I'm might dip out for a quick bit and to look are that intresting little boutique I saw as I was heading towards m the convention center That's the whole point man. If you build up a strong neighborhood that can support itself then people will choose convenience over anything. Doesn't mean the Galleria is going to lose it's status as a focal point for shopping, but if you create an environment for those living downtown to avoid having to make a trip all the way to the Galleria for the same item they could get downtown, then you've accomplished the goal of creating a successful urban core. And to think it won't happen in our lifetime is insane. No disrespect to your opinion, but foot traffic is going to increase so much downtown that it's going to draw regular retail chains to capitalize on that increase in population. I mean of course conventions are going to only be a plus for downtown, that's where Uptown loses. There are positive and negatives for both districts, but to say downtown isn't going to reach it's potential in our lifetime I think is very far fetched. I would agree with that if there was zero infrastructure in place, but that's not the case. Especially since people are moving closer to urban centers with easily accessible public transportation, the market is already following that pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rechlin Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think parking will become increasingly less of an issue. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the downtown population (excluding detention centers, of course) should be at least 12,000 people by the time the current housing developments are finished and start filling up. That's the size of a small town, big enough to support lots of shops on its own with no outside shoppers. Downtown is dense enough that nearly all of that housing will be no more than about an 8 block walk from GreenStreet. No matter how much you want to argue that Houstonians hate walking, I think 8 blocks is not unreasonable. This means that I think GreenStreet should have no problem supporting ordinary shops, even without free parking, once the housing built for the Downtown Living Initiative is occupied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 ^^^ actually, this particular model / render, is much more attractive than the prison like / forbidding structure, that later took the place of the original alessandra concept. this illustration, is a bit softer in scale, much more classic / modern and aesthetically appealing. the front entry is softer / beautiful, and much more inviting. oh, and did i mention the gorgeous palm trees that present a bit of an exotic feel. well done gensler....I don't think those Palms would've happened. That's the skybridge end. Atleast you've got palms on the other end by Forever XXI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 At least we didn't end up with this: Actually I might like that better than what we ended up with? Agreed with whoever said it would make for a decent residential tower with large retail presence in the base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 In honor of Easter......... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 ^^^ finally, for the first time ever.... WORDS ESCAPE ME! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 ^^^ finally, for the first time ever.... WORDS ESCAPE ME! May the power of the internet compel you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietstorm Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I seriously doubt the high-end luxury retailers would give up their west side locations for Downtown. I mean, a city like New York only has 2 Chanel locations (and we are light years away). I can see affordable middle class options opening up Downtown, the kind of stores you see in suburban shopping malls. It's already happened with just a hand full at Green Street. I don't see why the stores would necessarily have to close shop to open Downtown. While Downtown has a few multi-million dollar condos, it has no where near the money power of the Galleria. Certain stores can it make it that close. All they need is the demographics and the population. Look at Memorial City and the Galleria. Downtown +/- that close. I agree that options like the ones you see in Meyerland (e.g. Target) or a suburban 'Town Center' would work well. IMO DT Houston has the capacity to support a Bath and Body Works, Marshall's, Home Goods, etc. Stores you find in the strip center on Grey would work well, I think. Incidentally, I was in downtown Fort Worth recently and saw a White House/Black Market there. BTW, downtown Fort Worth is really nice and I think a "sleeper" area in terms of growth and development in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietstorm Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I seriously doubt the high-end luxury retailers would give up their west side locations for Downtown. I mean, a city like New York only has 2 Chanel locations (and we are light years away). I can see affordable middle class options opening up Downtown, the kind of stores you see in suburban shopping malls. It's already happened with just a hand full at Green Street. I don't see why the stores would necessarily have to close shop to open Downtown. While Downtown has a few multi-million dollar condos, it has no where near the money power of the Galleria. Certain stores can it make it that close. All they need is the demographics and the population. Look at Memorial City and the Galleria. Downtown +/- that close.I agree that stores like Target, Bath and Body Works, Marshall's, etc. would work well downtown. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largeTEXAS Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I agree that stores like Target, Bath and Body Works, Marshall's, etc. would work well downtown. You're probably right. One day (maybe sooner than we think), downtown Houston will be the hottest shopping area in the city. The Galleria will still be the Galleria, as long as it stays relevant and keeps adding amenities, but downtown will be the place to go. Just look at what's going on in downtown LA, a place no one 5-10 year ago would have said would be able to attract the likes of Gucci or Whole Foods, let alone Ross Dress for Less. Houston, as we all know, is behind on trends by 5-10 years. As these luxury residential towers fill with the richy rich, they will start to demand better and better retail. The more of these rich peeps there are, the more the retailers will want to be close to them. If the wave of luxury residential continues - and it will - we'll start to see some cool stores open. Within 10 years we might even have a Gucci 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Dont know if this was already posted but Caffé Bene coffee shop is opening soon in Greenstreet. http://houston.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/03-31-15-downtown-houston-gets-a-new-coffee-shop-with-korean-flair-finally-a-starbucks-alternative/ Edited April 6, 2015 by Howard Huge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) We are all waiting on Salata to open. .. Edited April 7, 2015 by Tumbleweed_Tx 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 ^^^ finally, for the first time ever.... WORDS ESCAPE ME! I think gas just escaped me. I suppose you could think of the Alessandra as Jesus, if Jesus had some really bad plastic surgery just before the Last Supper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 View overhead from Luby's https://twitter.com/thachadwick/status/586239790519087104An idea of what the skyline view will look like from Hotel Alessandra. https://twitter.com/thachadwick/status/586241476562178048 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Hotel Alessandra by marclongoria, on Flickr Hotel Alessandra by marclongoria, on Flickr 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 FAA Requests for Height and Crane Building: Proposed Case for TX: 2015-ASW-2207-OE Structure Name: Hotel Alessandra Structure Height: 263 Crane: Proposed Case for TX: 2014-ASW-8015-OE Structure Height: 375 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Work Schedule: 11/29/2014 to 02/27/2016 That seems aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 That paint job looks so drab. Hope it gets a face lift yet again when Hotel A is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talltexan83 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 even opening up that one corner shows the missed opportunity with the original GreenStreet/Pavillions design. It would have looked so much better if more liight/access would have been opened up to the street. oh well. The new hotel will be great start in a new direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post urbanize713 Posted April 25, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2015 Demo... 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Today 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 More demo pics from today 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 The lack of explosions is disheartening. .. lolI was hanging out with the pavilions pelt when they blew up the Foley's building, so I guess the guy who told me they would implode this section of the pavilions was messing with me. .. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Working on Sunday to meet a Super Bowl schedule? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Well they did drag their feet forever... Or was that time just spent redesigning it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 ^^^ magnificent illustrations hindesky! hope that you were donning a hard had.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 To meet the super bowl.. Huh? This is supposed to be opened in fall 2016..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 To meet the super bowl.. Huh? This is supposed to be opened in fall 2016..?Super Bowl is Feb. 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Yeah.. Like half a year after its scheduled to be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 There's a hell of a lot more work that goes into design than a lot of people here think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Yep, like they have to incorporate the sky walkways into the new hotel. .. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) The view from inside GreenStreet https://twitter.com/thachadwick/status/592754268064653312From high up...https://twitter.com/thachadwick/status/592756349622218754 Edited April 27, 2015 by tigereye 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 For a building I imagine was built as one unit, the wall with Forever 21 looks surprisingly solid and exterior worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 That wall is new construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 That wall is new construction Well that explains why it looks all new and nice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nate99 Posted April 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2015 *bashing noises* 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 ^^^ nice illustration nate99! demolition team isn't playing around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Well they are playing around - just with heavy machinery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nate99 Posted May 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2015 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Almost all gone. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 that's all that is coming down, the rest of what you see will be incorporated into the hotel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 ^^^ simply outstanding hindesky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Triton Posted May 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2015 Hotel Alessandra by marclongoria, on Flickr 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZKB9 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 It just keeps tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Wow, if records were kept on how short a time big buildings are built then torn down and replaced in Houston. Was this less than 10 years? A nice new idea would be: build something right the first time, build it to last, build it once, never build it again...well for a long time.Good grief. They are taking down a small 2 story building about which almost no one has ever said a kind word. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Yesterday. Most of the rubble is gone already 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Time to start excavating for the foundation. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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