EllenOlenska Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I agree, Utterly--the rendering has some odd features: it creates a handsome view for a brief moment only to be obscured by the highrise and become a view of an alleyway. I wonder if something is supposed to be in that crevice--like a line of hedges or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I agree throwing up a tower their makes no sense..it would block alot of people view..if they want a tower apt..thier is still plenty of available space in the incentives zone.. That area would be better as a pocket park I agree throwing up a tower their makes no sense..it would block alot of people view..if they want a tower apt..thier is still plenty of available space in the incentives zone.. That area would be better as a pocket park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) It's odd how many people on this forum don't seem to have much of a clue about dense urban development or urban living. Not every window is going to provide an unobstructed view to the horizon; or even to the edge of downtown. Edited October 7, 2014 by Houston19514 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 It's odd how many people on this forum don't seem to have much of a clue about dense urban development or urban living. Not every window is going to provide an unobstructed view to the horizon; or even to the edge of downtown.arrogant statement..those places are designed like that due to lack of space not by design...if you can sell apts on a great views their going to highlight that aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 arrogant statement..those places are designed like that due to lack of space not by design...if you can sell apts on a great views their going to highlight that aspect. Ignorant statement ... ;-) Those places are designed like that ... not by design? And this place is designed like it is to fit on the space they have. Like I said, in an urban environment, not every window in every apartment is going to offer an unobstructed view. It's ridiculous to expect such a thing. Clearly, you will not be the target market for such apartments, but it's rather arrogant to proclaim that, therefore, the developer should have made this a pocket park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Ignorant statement ... ;-) Those places are designed like that ... not by design? And this place is designed like it is to fit on the space they have. Like I said, in an urban environment, not every window in every apartment is going to offer an unobstructed view. It's ridiculous to expect such a thing. Clearly, you will not be the target market for such apartments, but it's rather arrogant to proclaim that, therefore, the developer should have made this a pocket park.the arrogant part was the statement that people don't understand urban design simply because they disagree with you about the use of a space..Like I said most compact design are space related..NYC, Hong Kong, etc.. If you can avoid blocking whole units views most companies will go that route..hence it not a matter of available space..given Houston more than available 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rechlin Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I agree throwing up a tower their makes no sense..it would block alot of people view..if they want a tower apt..thier is still plenty of available space in the incentives zone.. That area would be better as a pocket park We already know something will be built there, so it couldn't be a pocket park. The initial phase of the project still has a garage of around 6-7 stories (so about a third of the height of the building being renovated) going in that place. There will be a pad on the top of the garage where the highrise could potentially be built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Lol these comments about the windows of this building are hilarious..... hilariously sad -.- Edited October 7, 2014 by Luminare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Lol these comments about the windows of this building are hilarious..... hilariously sad -.- seriously... what was the developer supposed to do here? buy yet another lot for the high rise phase of the project even though they already had a perfectly suitable lot?? this is how urban development works. to think otherwise is ignorant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) seriously... what was the developer supposed to do here? buy yet another lot for the high rise phase of the project even though they already had a perfectly suitable lot?? this is how urban development works. to think otherwise is ignorant. Don't let the uninitiated ruffle your feathers I just ignore it, or I laugh lol. Take your pick man. They both work. Edited October 7, 2014 by Luminare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Good to see they've balanced restoring history and not advertising a brand name. (j/k) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rechlin Posted October 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2014 Now they are starting to remove the northeast wall from the taller tower: 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 wow! the financial aspect as per this particular development has to be incredible. much obliged, as per the update rechlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Based on my HGTV expertise, I would say this is at least a $75,000 renovation. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Based on my HGTV expertise, I would say this is at least a $75,000 renovation.Canadian love it or list properties, California flipper prices, or Waco flipper prices? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston? Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 When is the tower going to be built? That's what I'm waiting on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Is it likely the 38 floor tower will never be built and we will just get this smaller one? I hope not.Likely?We are in Houston, Id say its very possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Perhaps this is true, however I'm just happy that someone is making such a fine effort to repurpose this grand old building and taking it off the vacant and boarded up list. Lets at least rejoice in this improvement and then down the line they can come back and build the tower if and when it is financially feasible. Hopefully sooner than never. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This town can't build apartments fast enough to meet demand. I still have to bet that there's room for the 38-story tower to go up sooner rather than later. The Marquette (er, Catalyst) starts out of the ground next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Come on people...this pessimism is really annoying -.- How do you even expect them to build the tower when they are still in the beginning stages of the renovation portion? Lets use some common sense and also a little less "oh woe is us" junk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Likely?We are in Houston, Id say its very possible. I guess all those cranes on the horizon are just mirages. Why does Houston have to be the only city in the world where projects get cancelled, scaled down and/or modified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) I guess all those cranes on the horizon are just mirages. Why does Houston have to be the only city in the world where projects get cancelled, scaled down and/or modified.I know, it's sad Edited October 30, 2014 by H-TownChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I guess all those cranes on the horizon are just mirages. Why does Houston have to be the only city in the world where projects get cancelled, scaled down and/or modified. Oh right, because weve never had a project delayed indefinitely, scrapped, scaled back or shelved here in Houston. My bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Oh right, because weve never had a project delayed indefinitely, scrapped, scaled back or shelved here in Houston. My bad. But this is pretty standard in an industry where a lot of things have to go right to make something happen! It's also ludicrous for people in general (this isn't specific to you or anyone) to place this particular label on Houston alone as if we are a special case or we live in some kind of bubble or under a depressing rain cloud that doesn't affect anyone else. It's just silly. I literally can not comprehend why people CHOOSE to subject themselves to that. Not to mention it's incredibly irresponsible when someone throws this kind of conversational grenade simply to turn the discussion into a topic of failure. It's pretty obvious that this was the intention or the person did this for lulz and we shouldn't be distracted by it. This of course could become part of the discussion once the person has backed up his/her wild claim by fact, press release, inside information, etc... Until then it should be ignored. I mean look at the incredible scope of the project and it's actually underway! It's making significant progress and this is only the early phases of it. Unless someone has info to the contrary then I'm inclined to believe that it's not only doing pretty well, but will build the full scope of the project. Edited October 30, 2014 by Luminare 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Preach it Luminare!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Oh right, because weve never had a project delayed indefinitely, scrapped, scaled back or shelved here in Houston. My bad. O right, because projects don't get scrapped, scaled back or shelved in any other city except Houston. Your bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDierker Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm very confused by the ongoing conversation in this thread. You guys are making the same point, no? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 More of the wall gone 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I was thinking the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 O right, because projects don't get scrapped, scaled back or shelved in any other city except Houston. Your bad. So you're saying the tower portion could get scrapped.Thats exactly what Im saying, glad you agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'm very confused by the ongoing conversation in this thread. You guys are making the same point, no?Exactly, this "smf" is a pissy little troll who follows me around and quotes my posts.He'll probably quote another one here shortly and reply with another weak attempt at a comeback. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 If they do scrap the tower position I really hope they go with the pocket park concept for that lot..but this being Houston odds are a surface parking lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 If they do scrap the tower position I really hope they go with the pocket park concept for that lot..but this being Houston odds are a surface parking lotIt will be a parking garage. With the base strength for a tower 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 If they do scrap the tower position I really hope they go with the pocket park concept for that lot..but this being Houston odds are a surface parking lot Wow. Whatever. If y'all want to waste time speculating about this nonsense. Fine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I guess all those cranes on the horizon are just mirages. Why does Houston have to be the only city in the world where projects get cancelled, scaled down and/or modified.I'll tell you why. It's called low barriers of entry. It's very easy for anyone in Houston to get one of these projects off the ground, so you get a lot of B-class players. A market flooded with good and bad projects is more likely to have cancelled projects. Also, inexperienced developers are more likely to get into trouble before projects are completed. In a city like NY or DC, you have much higher barrier of entry. Between low land availability, high prices, zoning, architectural reviews, profers, unions,etc...only top experienced developers play the game, and it's less likely that projects get cancelled. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apple addict Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ^^^ also makes it less likely for projects to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mab Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Houston First Update Not only are hotels and office towers booming in downtown Houston, so is residential development! Five projects are under construction and at least nine more are planned, according to Central Houston's Laura Van Ness, who tracks such things. Shown here is the stripped-down backside of the old Texaco Building, which is being converted into 323 luxury apartment units at 1111 Rusk. It is expected to be completed a year from now. https://www.facebook.com/HoustonFirstCorporation/photos/a.492238024167403.110894.426238527434020/799933693397833/?type=1&theater 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 wow! simply superb progress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 ^^^ also makes it less likely for projects to startNot necessarily, because it also means projects are more profitable. It does take them much longer to start though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Triton Posted November 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2014 Texaco Building Redevelopment by marclongoria, on Flickr Texaco Building Redevelopment by marclongoria, on Flickr Texaco Building Redevelopment by marclongoria, on Flickr Texaco Building Redevelopment by marclongoria, on Flickr Exposed steel Texaco Building Redevelopment by marclongoria, on Flickr Texaco Building Redevelopment by marclongoria, on Flickr 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 geeeez triton, simply amazing illustrations! as i have stated beforehand, the financial aspect as per this development, has to be stupendous... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'll tell you why. It's called low barriers of entry. It's very easy for anyone in Houston to get one of these projects off the ground, so you get a lot of B-class players. A market flooded with good and bad projects is more likely to have cancelled projects. Also, inexperienced developers are more likely to get into trouble before projects are completed.In a city like NY or DC, you have much higher barrier of entry. Between low land availability, high prices, zoning, architectural reviews, profers, unions,etc...only top experienced developers play the game, and it's less likely that projects get cancelled. Do you have any evidence at all that projects are canceled more frequently in Houston than in other cities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It's very easy for anyone in Houston to get one of these projects off the ground, so you get a lot of B-class players. A market flooded with good and bad projects is more likely to have cancelled projects. Also, inexperienced developers are more likely to get into trouble before projects are completed.In a city like NY or DC, you have much higher barrier of entry. Between low land availability, high prices, zoning, architectural reviews, profers, unions,etc...only top experienced developers play the game, and it's less likely that projects get cancelled. NY has had its share of proposals that never got to fruition (just check SkyscraperPage). Even the WTC got into financial trouble. What seems to get projects built is developers who have their money lined up and don't have to worry about presales or financing. That's why the Skanska project is likely to get built, whereas outfits like Peloton get stopped before they start. For whatever reason, Manhattan is proving fertile ground for residential 1,000-footers. Houston is now getting quite a few projects that are 40 stories of residential. An economy that generates 100,000 jobs a year will support that. I'm still not seeing how Dallas can find tenants for two supertalls, but Ross Perot, Jr. is behind one of them, so it could get built (the other one is probably not going to get out of the starting gate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 NY has had its share of proposals that never got to fruition (just check SkyscraperPage). Even the WTC got into financial trouble. I'm still not seeing how Dallas can find tenants for two supertalls, but Ross Perot, Jr. is behind one of them, so it could get built (the other one is probably not going to get out of the starting gate). Every city has had its share of proposals that never came to fruition. There is zero reason to think that Dallas can find tenants for two supertalls. And there are zero serious supertall proposals in Dallas. (Ross Perot Jr. has never said he plans a supertall.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Howard Huge Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Finally, the ugly brick wall comes down! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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