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Looks like you posted the wrong link Fortune

 

It's the right link, it's just deeper in the article.

 

 

Moving forward

 

Developers planning an office tower on the northern end of downtown haven't put shovels in the ground yet, but some recently patched holes on the site reveal the group is moving forward with its proposal.

 

The holes were part of a geotechnical study on the land.

 

Before any tall building is constructed, holes are drilled into the ground to collect soil samples that provide guidance for designing the foundation.

 

The site is next to Market Square Park and is bordered by Preston, Prairie, Milam and Travis.

 

Civil engineer Edward Ulrich, whose firm conducted the geotechnical study, compares the different components of engineering a skyscraper to the human body.

 

"The architect designs the skin. The structural engineer designs the bones. The mechanical engineer designs the circulation. My job as a foundation engineer is to design your feet," said Ulrich, of Houston-based Ulrich Engineers.

 

The proposed tower would be developed by Essex Commercial Properties, the real estate firm affiliated with general contracting firm Linbeck Group, and Stream Realty Partners.

 

Essex president Eugene Lee said the developers are exploring ideas that would enhance the area's pedestrian and retail environment.

 

"We're hoping we can be an additional catalyst around Market Square Park," he said.

 

A start date has not been set for the project, which could have 750,000 square feet.

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Even when searching through google I still only get the preview :(

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I'm sick of this building that will not get built.  No view of the building, it is so secretive.  I will sit at La Carafe and look at the parking lot to see if this really happens.  There is nothing going on there. 

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Moving forward

 

Developers planning an office tower on the northern end of downtown haven't put shovels in the ground yet, but some recently patched holes on the site reveal the group is moving forward with its proposal.

 

The holes were part of a geotechnical study on the land.

 

Before any tall building is constructed, holes are drilled into the ground to collect soil samples that provide guidance for designing the foundation.

 

The site is next to Market Square Park and is bordered by Preston, Prairie, Milam and Travis.

 

Civil engineer Edward Ulrich, whose firm conducted the geotechnical study, compares the different components of engineering a skyscraper to the human body.

 

"The architect designs the skin. The structural engineer designs the bones. The mechanical engineer designs the circulation. My job as a foundation engineer is to design your feet," said Ulrich, of Houston-based Ulrich Engineers.

 

The proposed tower would be developed by Essex Commercial Properties, the real estate firm affiliated with general contracting firm Linbeck Group, and Stream Realty Partners.

 

Essex president Eugene Lee said the developers are exploring ideas that would enhance the area's pedestrian and retail environment.

 

"We're hoping we can be an additional catalyst around Market Square Park," he said.

 

A start date has not been set for the project, which could have 750,000 square feet.

 

that is great news. have they done ground work at the Skanska tower yet? i would guess not since the Houston Club is there. would this mean this tower is further along than the Skanska tower? i really hope this one gets built.

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any idea when the soil testing was done? the whole site is a concrete parking lot and i drove by today to look for evidence of the work but could only guess that maybe a couple patches in the surface were where they drilled the holes? the concrete in the patches didnt look that new though.

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Haha well I guess the cat is out of the bag.  Kinda glad too because I had forgotten exactly what this thing looked like in the first place.  

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I love it! Is it 50 or 41 stories?

 

i just counted the floors in the rendering. its about 50 stories. is it possible this is an older rendering, or did this never really get downsized?

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The Swamplot tipster said it was 41 stories.

 

maybe its a 41 story tower on top of a 9 story garage/podium, a la Chevrons "50" story tower, on top of a multi story podium, making the building taller than the 50 stories claimed.

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maybe its a 41 story tower on top of a 9 story garage/podium, a la Chevrons "50" story tower, on top of a multi story podium, making the building taller than the 50 stories claimed.

 

Lets hope thats true.

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So both Hines and this building are now proposed for 41 floors?

 

Hines new tower is 49 floors, and if this rendering is anything to go off of, it will be 50 floors. if this one happens Houston will have 3 towers over 700' rising simultaneously. 

heres the new rendering again so it people see it when they open the page.

international-tower-rendering.jpg

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maybe its a 41 story tower on top of a 9 story garage/podium, a la Chevrons "50" story tower, on top of a multi story podium, making the building taller than the 50 stories claimed.

it is 41 stories. period. wishing it otherwise won't make it so so everyone needs to come to grips with it.

let me clarify that the top floor is double in height and the crown is about 4 stories tall, though.

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it is 41 stories. period. wishing it otherwise won't make it so so everyone needs to come to grips with it.

 

you have insider information or something that proves its only 41 stories? if you count the floors its about 41 stories on top of a garage, but maybe these renderings are old and the overall floor count really did get reduced to 41. either way its going to look great and extend the skyline north by 2 blocks.

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it is 41 stories. period. wishing it otherwise won't make it so so everyone needs to come to grips with it.

let me clarify that the top floor is double in height and the crown is about 4 stories tall, though.

Then can a mod please change the thread title already, I'm tired of getting excited everytime I open Going Up and read "50 story tower" only to remember that its only 41. Edited by Howard Huge

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Then can a mod please change the thread title already, I'm tired of getting excited everytime I open Going Up and reading "50 story tower" only to remember that its only 41.

 

haha, right? will Linbeck just come out and give us some real information already?

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you have insider information or something that proves its only 41 stories? if you count the floors its about 41 stories on top of a garage, but maybe these renderings are old and the overall floor count really did get reduced to 41. either way its going to look great and extend the skyline north by 2 blocks.

 

Agreed.  The rendering clearly shows more than 41 stories.

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This rendering is beyond optimistic.  The reason they have been hiding it is that there is no way in the Houston tenant market that this thing will work financially.  The location isn't great and the design is way to expensive.  I wish these guys the best but this thing will never break ground looking like that. 

 

As a side note, this rendering doesn't even show you how complex the facade design really is.  There are more curves going on than this image shows.

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you have insider information or something that proves its only 41 stories? if you count the floors its about 41 stories on top of a garage, but maybe these renderings are old and the overall floor count really did get reduced to 41. either way its going to look great and extend the skyline north by 2 blocks.

Swtsig said it was 41 stories a long time ago. He doesn't need a source, he is the source.

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Agreed. The rendering clearly shows more than 41 stories.

Why do you always question legitimate sources?

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This rendering is beyond optimistic.  The reason they have been hiding it is that there is no way in the Houston tenant market that this thing will work financially.  The location isn't great and the design is way to expensive.  I wish these guys the best but this thing will never break ground looking like that. 

 

As a side note, this rendering doesn't even show you how complex the facade design really is.  There are more curves going on than this image shows.

 

What are you talking about?

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Swtsig said it was 41 stories a long time ago. He doesn't need a source, he is the source.

 

haha, so he is THE source. i thought he was the same one that is always posting insider info but i havent started actively following the forums until recently so i wasnt sure. good to know, thanks.

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Personally this is by far the best of the three proposed office towers. It is confusing that they wouldn't publicly release the renderings earlier to get more attention and better compete with Hines and Skanska who have had their renderings and building information floating around for a while. Unless they were able to equally market this tower to tenants without using Houston Real Estate media?

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haha, so he is THE source. i thought he was the same one that is always posting insider info but i havent started actively following the forums until recently so i wasnt sure. good to know, thanks.

He is not swamplot's source, but he knows what is goin on ;)

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Why do you always question legitimate sources?

 

Oh for gawd's sake.  The question practically asks itself when the rendering of a "41 story" building clearly shows more than 41 stories.   No attack on anyone's integrity.  Just stating the rather obvious.  

 

This is a forum for the purpose of sharing and necessarily questioning information.  We don't know identities, for the most part, and therefore don't know what information is legitimate and what is not.  Forums such as these often attract people who like to pretend to know things they don't know (See, for example Montrose1100's recent confession.)   When  there are obvious gaps, inconsistencies, irrelevancies, and patent nonsense in stories, I will question it and encourage all others to do so as well.

 

Further, there was really no reason for Swtsig's tone attacking those who were speculating whether the building was 41 stories or (as represented in the rendering) more like 50 stories.   If a developer releases a rendering of a building that obviously has more floors than said developer plans, well . . . people are going to speculate, especially when so very little information at all has been released about this proposal.

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Oh for gawd's sake. The question practically asks itself when the rendering of a "41 story" building clearly shows more than 41 stories. No attack on anyone's integrity. Just stating the rather obvious.

HoustonTx provided information that was later proven true and so did hoothrepoo, yet you called them both out as essentially liars, which soured them both. Thankfully hoothrepoo is coming back.

Swtsig has proven himself many times over, too.

I just don't get it.

Edit: the developer didn't release the rendering, it was leaked.

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Everything in the design is the same though, correct? Just 9 floors shorter..?

I didn't mean the source of the article. I just meant the source for a lot of the HAIF insider info. I've lurked here for a while and he definitely knows his stuff.

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HoustonTx provided information that was later proven true and so did hoothrepoo, yet you called them both out as essentially liars, which soured them both. Thankfully hoothrepoo is coming back.

Swtsig has proven himself many times over, too.

I just don't get it.

Edit: the developer didn't release the rendering, it was leaked.

 

I know Swtsig has proven himself over many times.  I respect his posts and in fact did not even question him per se.  I merely pointed out the rather obvious disconnect between his proclaimed 41 stories and the rendering clearly showing will more than 41 stories.  If we can't question posts here and have discussions, we might as well just read Swamplot and forget about HAIF.  I wonder if Editor would prefer that.  Get it?

 

This thread (minus your ridiculous rants against me) is a good example.  Questions are raised.  Swtsig clarifies.  Better information all around.

 

As regards, hoothrewpoo, to the extent I may have implied (rather jokingly because of his name) that he was lying it was clearly spurred by rather wildly contradictory and unexplained posts.  Yes, I pointed out the obvious unexplained inconsistencies.  He was a brand new poster and I was testing his knowledge.   If one is going to post information on a public forum, one needs to expect some questioning (frankly, especially when one chooses a name like whothrewpoo; it doesn't exactly spur confidence.)  ;-)

 

HoustonTx... Again, I did not call him a liar.  Only that the story he was repeating was silly nonsense and highly unlikely to be true.  I stand by that opinion.  I didn't call him a liar nor do I have any particular reason to think he's a liar.  I think he's gullible and perhaps naive, but not a liar.  I've seen and heard a lot of corporate rumors in my day and have a pretty good sense of them.  The transplanted tree story sounds like a corporate rumor, especially with the ridiculous $1 Million price tag.  And don't worry, HoustonTx will be back.  He's played this little drama queen game before when someone dared to ask a question (and it wasn't me).

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Hines new tower is 49 floors, and if this rendering is anything to go off of, it will be 50 floors. if this one happens Houston will have 3 towers over 700' rising simultaneously.

heres the new rendering again so it people see it when they open the page.

international-tower-rendering.jpg

If somehow both 609 Main & International Tower get built, I'd imagine the skyline will literally have a "ski slope" look on the east edge from the 45 North view.

And they said Houston was flat. We'd have a mountain of steel & glass lol!

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If somehow both 609 Main & International Tower get built, I'd imagine the skyline will literally have a "ski slope" look on the east edge from the 45 North view.

And they said Houston was flat. We'd have a mountain of steel & glass lol!

 

 

Perhaps, it will look something like this, from this angle.

 

newskyline.jpg

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That would be awesome but I figured International Tower would be closer in height to the Hines tower in this rendering (since this rendering shows the 41 story version of Hines, which is the same floor count as I.T.), maybe a bit taller. This will end up being shorter than Hines after both buildings redesigns.

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Old rendering. Hasn't been 50 stories since December.

 

I'm a little hesitant to ask a question, given the attacks from Lockmat for having questioned "legitimate sources", but I seriously wonder . . .  is this building proposal really completely absolutely set at 41 stories, or is that just the current plan, subject to adjustment and revision as the market warrants?  (It seems that unless they are quite close to actual construction, the final size is still open to adjustment, no?)  If the size is final and unchangeable, is that a good sign for those who are eager to see construction?

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Ah! I love it. Glad the cat is out of the bag!

 

LIkewise.  Love the design of this building.  Especially if we can have both this one and the Hines tower at 609 Main.

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It'll probably be a bit shorter. What do y'all think it'll come in at? ~650'?

 

i just noticed this quote. according to someone who is quite familiar with the renderings the 41 story tower will be close to 725' (its about equal to the Fullbright Tower in the renderings).

 

Two new iconic towers for Houston will chane our skyline forever.

agreed, especially coming in from the north side of town, these towers will stand out nicely from pretty much every angle except the south. now that the design has been released i want this building to be built even more. it would be a fantastic addition/extension of the skyline.

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