treblelino Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Thank you, H-Town Man. That's all I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I think Fannin and Rusk is the geographic center if the highways are used as boundaries, but in my opinion Main and Dallas makes a better center as development is skewed more to the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 why would additions to an existing campus be any sort of qualifier? building development is building development. Because it's not like the people who own Allen Center or Houston Center are going to develop a building on the other side of downtown. But they will try to develop something to capture some of the growth. So I think buildings that are independent of any existing campus are a better indicator of where the hot area is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Dude, he specifically clarified that he was speaking of office and residential development. If taking people at their word is bullying. Again, I plead guilty. (But even apart from residential development, until you added the previously unheard qualifier about developments apart from campuses, the idea that office developments are honing in on a particular section of downtown was/is demonstrably silly.) I think the qualifier is sound. The fact that office developers who have no previous anchoring in a certain area are mainly concentrating on the north end is an indicator that the north end is hotter than the other sides of downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
names Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Main St. has a new-found, prestigious address branding among service oriented firms. Energy is still about Louisiana and Smith streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 the first four wards have their dividing lines at Main and Texas, so that's hy the quadrants are divided there. why redraw the map....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 the first four wards have their dividing lines at Main and Texas, so that's hy the quadrants are divided there.why redraw the map....lolFinally, a semblance of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asubrt Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm pretty confident about this one too (as in <75% likelihood). I think the order of likelihood for the various major towers not being built for specific tenants getting completed are...1. 609 Main (Hines)2. Capitol Tower (Skanska)Â 3. 6 Houston Center4. International Tower (Stream/Essex)5. 5 Allen Center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
por favor gracias Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm pretty confident about this one too (as in <75% likelihood). I think the order of likelihood for the various major towers not being built for specific tenants getting completed are...1. 609 Main (Hines)2. Capitol Tower (Skanska)Â 3. 6 Houston Center4. International Tower (Stream/Essex)5. 5 Allen CenterI'd love to see #4 at #1, but I agree with you. Not a big fan of #3, but it would certainly be better than what's there now for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 http://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/01-28-14-major-oil-company-quietly-downsizes-its-downtown-operations-as-an-iconic-tower-is-revamped/ I doubt anymore office buildings are in the works for downtown. Shanksa may build theirs, but this is probably the last to slip in. No way Allen 5, Houston 6, or International Tower get built unless the differentials favor Class A so heavily compared to the availability of Class A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm pretty confident about this one too (as in <75% likelihood). I think the order of likelihood for the various major towers not being built for specific tenants getting completed are...1. 609 Main (Hines)2. Capitol Tower (Skanska) 3. 6 Houston Center4. International Tower (Stream/Essex)5. 5 Allen Center How likely now? There will have to be alot of companies pining to get into downtown for this tower to work: http://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/01-28-14-major-oil-company-quietly-downsizes-its-downtown-operations-as-an-iconic-tower-is-revamped/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 http://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/01-28-14-major-oil-company-quietly-downsizes-its-downtown-operations-as-an-iconic-tower-is-revamped/I doubt anymore office buildings are in the works for downtown. Shanksa may build theirs, but this is probably the last to slip in.No way Allen 5, Houston 6, or International Tower get built unless the differentials favor Class A so heavily compared to the availability of Class A...Not that I'm a fan of 6 HC, they too look like they are going to slip into this next wave of office space. According to Central Houston, they have construction documents in completed, so presumably they can start work whenever they want. They also don't have to go through the lengthy process of demoing buildings on site, just ripping up a parking lot.What will be interesting will be to see is how downtown deals with all the "new"(including all the upcoming renovations" space over the next few years. They don't really seem to have any pull in the current tenant market, but maybe rising office rents and gridlock on the roads in the suburban employment centers makes it attractive once more? That or they push outside the Grand Parkway I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 NB there were a number of "which will get built?" comments in several topics so they were gathered in this thread to make the discussion easier to follow. Carry on.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Havent they started "construction" technically on Hillcorp / 609 Main? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Havent they started "construction" technically on Hillcorp / 609 Main? that one better get built. They created a huge wound in the middle of downtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It will be filled with tents for homeless people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Havent they started "construction" technically on Hillcorp / 609 Main? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I really need  International Tower (Stream/Essex) to get built that parking lot is throwing off what could be a nice little urban area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I really need  International Tower (Stream/Essex) to get built that parking lot is throwing off what could be a nice little urban area Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it.Lets see thousands of workers . eatting at niko niko, batanga.. fusion taco.. Hundreds going out after work to have drinks at okra, bad news, gun and goro  or a dozen others... wwith walking distance... Those that can afford it ling in hines proposed highraise for the simple reason their job will be right across the street ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it.Market Square is already going to have a 40 story residential "looming over it"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Lets see thousands of workers . eatting at niko niko, batanga.. fusion taco.. Hundreds going out after work to have drinks at okra, bad news, gun and goro  or a dozen others... wwith walking distance... Those that can afford it ling in hines proposed highraise for the simple reason their job will be right across the street ? While I would have prefered another redis I will take a tower over a parking lot anyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Market Square is already going to have a 40 story residential "looming over it"... And just a block away there's a 72 story building lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it. Is Market Square now 40 stories?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Nah, Hines is still 33, but block 35 (Kim son garage) has a 40 story residential planned for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I contemplated whether or not to post this - we own in midtown and go out downtown a lot! My job took me west this week and I work with Air LIQUIDE - thy recently announced they are. Holding a 20 story campus in EC - man I know I'm gonna catch heat but - couldn't any of those companies build move DT ? I literally flew home all week on the Katy tollway but how long is that possible? Anyway probably not the best topic to post this but the wind has been taken out of my DT loving sails - someone pick me up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Lets see thousands of workers . eatting at niko niko, batanga.. fusion taco.. Hundreds going out after work to have drinks at okra, bad news, gun and goro  or a dozen others... wwith walking distance... Those that can afford it ling in hines proposed highraise for the simple reason their job will be right across the street ? Market Square is already going to have a 40 story residential "looming over it"... While I would have prefered another redis I will take a tower over a parking lot anyday And just a block away there's a 72 story building lol.  Classic haif pile-on, I love it.  mfastx that 75 story building is three blocks away and doesn't loom over Market Square at all. But its looming presence hasn't exactly done wonders for street life along Texas Ave., so I wonder what your point is?  cloud713 I thought your response was the strongest, but the 40 story tower is only half a block wide, not a full block, and will probably present a more interesting facade than the expanses of glass on the International Tower. So I'm not as concerned about it.  Moore713, that is a very optimistic picture. I don't think though that just the presence of many workers in an office tower guarantees that they'll all go down to the street below and foster urban life. All else being equal, yes it is good to have lots of workers in close proximity, but there is a danger in brutalizing the space.  Classic example of brutalizing a space by the way is the Tour Montparnasse, which so overwhelmed the neighborhood below it that two years later Paris passed a law banning all buildings over 7 stories anywhere in the central city. The Montparnasse neighborhood never fully recovered its charm, although there's some places where you don't see the building.  I have mixed feelings about the International Tower... I love what it would do for the skyline, extending it north, and we can all agree it's better than a parking lot, but the point of my original post was to say that I think there might be a hidden blessing if this doesn't get built, assuming something else does in a few years. Just one man's opinion, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think Stream Realty and Essex Commercial Properties will just try to get International Tower out of the ground during the next office boom if they can't get it up during this one. Same way Bookfield and Crescent is trying again with their proposed office towers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think Stream Realty and Essex Commercial Properties will just try to get International Tower out of the ground during the next office boom if they can't get it up during this one. Same way Bookfield and Crescent is trying again with their proposed office towers.Bookfield may finally have the captial did,nt they just make a huge sell of one their buildings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I contemplated whether or not to post this - we own in midtown and go out downtown a lot! My job took me west this week and I work with Air LIQUIDE - thy recently announced they are. Holding a 20 story campus in EC - man I know I'm gonna catch heat but - couldn't any of those companies build move DT ? I literally flew home all week on the Katy tollway but how long is that possible? Anyway probably not the best topic to post this but the wind has been taken out of my DT loving sails - someone pick me up...I work on Park Row... there is no possible way you "fly" home using the regular lanes. However if you're sucked in to the hctra's scheme then it is quite possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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