swtsig Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 It's not new construction, so not on the list, but I think the project that is potentially most at risk is the redevelopment of the Exxon Building. The location is suboptimal, tunnel connections would be expensive to build, there will be no lead tenant, and the structure may need some (very expensive) asbestos remediation. On top of all that, Exxon won't fully vacate until starting in 2015, by which time a lot of these other Class A buildings would have come online. All it takes is one downturn and this can become a huge white elephant. It is easy to see a scenario where it remains vacant for decades, like its neighbor the Heaven on Earth Inn. But it's even easier to see a scenario where the exact opposite happens and they move forward as planned. Btw Hines is in extended negotiations with a large lead tenant for 609, as if that wasn't already fairly obvious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasGeneral Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Btw Hines is in extended negotiations with a large lead tenant for 609, as if that wasn't already fairly obvious. Any info you can provide? Is the tenant in professional services (i.e. accounting, legal firm) or is an energy company, or neither? How many sf are they looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 From Houston Business Journal - What Hines' new downtown skyscraper means for other tower timelinesAfter Hines released the timeline for its next downtown tower, other developers with proposals are remaining quiet — planning their next strategic move to get another on the ground.It’s uncertain at this point if other developers with proposals are moving forward on spec or with secured pre-leasing.New York-based Skanska USA Commercial Development announced plans for its Capitol Tower, a 34-story office structure, designed by San Francisco-based Gensler’s Houston office, with 700,000 square feet. It is the former site of the Houston Club at 811 Rusk and is bounded by Main, Clay, Fannin and Bell.“Construction timing will depend on market conditions,” Mike Mair, executive vice president and regional manager of Skanska, said after the Hines announcement.Dallas-based Stream Realty Partners LP’s Houston office and Houston-based Essex Commercial Properties have a 750,000-square-foot structure in the works in a downtown lot bounded by Preston, Prairie, Milam and Travis. Essex is affiliated with Houston-based Linbeck Group.After the Hines announcement, Stream said the company is “still excited” about its project and is “working on it;” however it was not ready to announce anything. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/breaking-ground/2013/10/what-hines-new-building-means-for.html?page=2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Of all the space downtown, why are developers honing in on a particular section? Southeast downtown is begging for development. You're right, but most of the office is concentrating in the northeast part. Here are the current high-rise developments according to the Downtown Houston development map, dividing downtown at Main Street Square: Southeast:3 highrise residential(Plus the possible high rise hotel addition to GreenStreet) Southwest:3 highrise office towers under development2 highrise office towers under redevelopment1 highrise hotel under redevelopment Northwest:2 highrise office towers under development2 highrise residential under development1 highrise hotel under redevelopment1 highrise office building under redevelopment Northeast:2 highrise office buildings under development3 highrise hotels under development1 highrise residential under development1 highrise residential under redevelopment Edited January 27, 2014 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Cool list. What are the names of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Here are the current high-rise developments according to the Downtown Houston development map, dividing downtown at Main Street Square: Southeast:3 highrise residential(Plus the possible high rise hotel addition to GreenStreet) Southwest:3 highrise office towers under development2 highrise office towers under redevelopment1 highrise hotel under redevelopment Northwest:2 highrise office towers under development2 highrise residential under development1 highrise hotel under redevelopment1 highrise office building under redevelopment Northeast:2 highrise office buildings under development3 highrise hotels under development1 highrise residential under development1 highrise residential under redevelopment Probably could have just posted the map. ;-) Dividing downtown into 4 quadrants at Main Street Square seems misleading, as it would for example put the 806 Main renovation in the "northwest" on par with the stuff on Market Square, which doesn't really seem right. Edited January 28, 2014 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Probably could have just posted the map. ;-) Dividing downtown into 4 quadrants at Main Street Square seems misleading, as it would for example put the 806 Main renovation in the "northwest" on par with the stuff on Market Square, which doesn't really seem right. So sorry. I guess even the ever-so-slight honing in on a particular section of downtown that could be discerned from my suggested division of downtown was exaggerated. Thank you for helping to demonstrate the silliness of treblelino's complaint about developers honing in on a particular section of downtown. Edited January 28, 2014 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 If one is to divide downtown into qaudrants it should originate at the geographic center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 So sorry. I guess even the ever-so-slight honing in on a particular section of downtown that could be discerned from my suggested division of downtown was exaggerated. Thank you for helping to demonstrate the silliness of treblelino's complaint about developers honing in on a particular section of downtown. I don't really follow your second sentence. As far as treblelino, he wasn't really complaining, and I think his point was legitimate, at least as far as office development - I count four new buildings that aren't additions to an existing campus and so could have been anywhere, and three of them are on the north side. You spend too much time trying to bully people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblelino Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Thank you, H-Town Man. That's all I was saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I think Fannin and Rusk is the geographic center if the highways are used as boundaries, but in my opinion Main and Dallas makes a better center as development is skewed more to the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 why would additions to an existing campus be any sort of qualifier? building development is building development. Because it's not like the people who own Allen Center or Houston Center are going to develop a building on the other side of downtown. But they will try to develop something to capture some of the growth. So I think buildings that are independent of any existing campus are a better indicator of where the hot area is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Dude, he specifically clarified that he was speaking of office and residential development. If taking people at their word is bullying. Again, I plead guilty. (But even apart from residential development, until you added the previously unheard qualifier about developments apart from campuses, the idea that office developments are honing in on a particular section of downtown was/is demonstrably silly.) I think the qualifier is sound. The fact that office developers who have no previous anchoring in a certain area are mainly concentrating on the north end is an indicator that the north end is hotter than the other sides of downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
names Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Main St. has a new-found, prestigious address branding among service oriented firms. Energy is still about Louisiana and Smith streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 the first four wards have their dividing lines at Main and Texas, so that's hy the quadrants are divided there. why redraw the map....lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 the first four wards have their dividing lines at Main and Texas, so that's hy the quadrants are divided there.why redraw the map....lolFinally, a semblance of logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asubrt Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm pretty confident about this one too (as in <75% likelihood). I think the order of likelihood for the various major towers not being built for specific tenants getting completed are...1. 609 Main (Hines)2. Capitol Tower (Skanska) 3. 6 Houston Center4. International Tower (Stream/Essex)5. 5 Allen Center 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
por favor gracias Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm pretty confident about this one too (as in <75% likelihood). I think the order of likelihood for the various major towers not being built for specific tenants getting completed are...1. 609 Main (Hines)2. Capitol Tower (Skanska) 3. 6 Houston Center4. International Tower (Stream/Essex)5. 5 Allen CenterI'd love to see #4 at #1, but I agree with you. Not a big fan of #3, but it would certainly be better than what's there now for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 http://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/01-28-14-major-oil-company-quietly-downsizes-its-downtown-operations-as-an-iconic-tower-is-revamped/ I doubt anymore office buildings are in the works for downtown. Shanksa may build theirs, but this is probably the last to slip in. No way Allen 5, Houston 6, or International Tower get built unless the differentials favor Class A so heavily compared to the availability of Class A... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm pretty confident about this one too (as in <75% likelihood). I think the order of likelihood for the various major towers not being built for specific tenants getting completed are...1. 609 Main (Hines)2. Capitol Tower (Skanska) 3. 6 Houston Center4. International Tower (Stream/Essex)5. 5 Allen Center How likely now? There will have to be alot of companies pining to get into downtown for this tower to work: http://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/01-28-14-major-oil-company-quietly-downsizes-its-downtown-operations-as-an-iconic-tower-is-revamped/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 http://houston.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/01-28-14-major-oil-company-quietly-downsizes-its-downtown-operations-as-an-iconic-tower-is-revamped/I doubt anymore office buildings are in the works for downtown. Shanksa may build theirs, but this is probably the last to slip in.No way Allen 5, Houston 6, or International Tower get built unless the differentials favor Class A so heavily compared to the availability of Class A...Not that I'm a fan of 6 HC, they too look like they are going to slip into this next wave of office space. According to Central Houston, they have construction documents in completed, so presumably they can start work whenever they want. They also don't have to go through the lengthy process of demoing buildings on site, just ripping up a parking lot.What will be interesting will be to see is how downtown deals with all the "new"(including all the upcoming renovations" space over the next few years. They don't really seem to have any pull in the current tenant market, but maybe rising office rents and gridlock on the roads in the suburban employment centers makes it attractive once more? That or they push outside the Grand Parkway I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 NB there were a number of "which will get built?" comments in several topics so they were gathered in this thread to make the discussion easier to follow. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Havent they started "construction" technically on Hillcorp / 609 Main? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Havent they started "construction" technically on Hillcorp / 609 Main? that one better get built. They created a huge wound in the middle of downtown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It will be filled with tents for homeless people.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Havent they started "construction" technically on Hillcorp / 609 Main? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I really need International Tower (Stream/Essex) to get built that parking lot is throwing off what could be a nice little urban area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I really need International Tower (Stream/Essex) to get built that parking lot is throwing off what could be a nice little urban area Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it.Lets see thousands of workers . eatting at niko niko, batanga.. fusion taco.. Hundreds going out after work to have drinks at okra, bad news, gun and goro or a dozen others... wwith walking distance... Those that can afford it ling in hines proposed highraise for the simple reason their job will be right across the street ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it.Market Square is already going to have a 40 story residential "looming over it"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Lets see thousands of workers . eatting at niko niko, batanga.. fusion taco.. Hundreds going out after work to have drinks at okra, bad news, gun and goro or a dozen others... wwith walking distance... Those that can afford it ling in hines proposed highraise for the simple reason their job will be right across the street ? While I would have prefered another redis I will take a tower over a parking lot anyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Market Square is already going to have a 40 story residential "looming over it"... And just a block away there's a 72 story building lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it? Think about it. Is Market Square now 40 stories?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Nah, Hines is still 33, but block 35 (Kim son garage) has a 40 story residential planned for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I contemplated whether or not to post this - we own in midtown and go out downtown a lot! My job took me west this week and I work with Air LIQUIDE - thy recently announced they are. Holding a 20 story campus in EC - man I know I'm gonna catch heat but - couldn't any of those companies build move DT ? I literally flew home all week on the Katy tollway but how long is that possible? Anyway probably not the best topic to post this but the wind has been taken out of my DT loving sails - someone pick me up... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Lets see thousands of workers . eatting at niko niko, batanga.. fusion taco.. Hundreds going out after work to have drinks at okra, bad news, gun and goro or a dozen others... wwith walking distance... Those that can afford it ling in hines proposed highraise for the simple reason their job will be right across the street ? Market Square is already going to have a 40 story residential "looming over it"... While I would have prefered another redis I will take a tower over a parking lot anyday And just a block away there's a 72 story building lol. Classic haif pile-on, I love it. mfastx that 75 story building is three blocks away and doesn't loom over Market Square at all. But its looming presence hasn't exactly done wonders for street life along Texas Ave., so I wonder what your point is? cloud713 I thought your response was the strongest, but the 40 story tower is only half a block wide, not a full block, and will probably present a more interesting facade than the expanses of glass on the International Tower. So I'm not as concerned about it. Moore713, that is a very optimistic picture. I don't think though that just the presence of many workers in an office tower guarantees that they'll all go down to the street below and foster urban life. All else being equal, yes it is good to have lots of workers in close proximity, but there is a danger in brutalizing the space. Classic example of brutalizing a space by the way is the Tour Montparnasse, which so overwhelmed the neighborhood below it that two years later Paris passed a law banning all buildings over 7 stories anywhere in the central city. The Montparnasse neighborhood never fully recovered its charm, although there's some places where you don't see the building. I have mixed feelings about the International Tower... I love what it would do for the skyline, extending it north, and we can all agree it's better than a parking lot, but the point of my original post was to say that I think there might be a hidden blessing if this doesn't get built, assuming something else does in a few years. Just one man's opinion, though. Edited January 31, 2014 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think Stream Realty and Essex Commercial Properties will just try to get International Tower out of the ground during the next office boom if they can't get it up during this one. Same way Bookfield and Crescent is trying again with their proposed office towers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think Stream Realty and Essex Commercial Properties will just try to get International Tower out of the ground during the next office boom if they can't get it up during this one. Same way Bookfield and Crescent is trying again with their proposed office towers.Bookfield may finally have the captial did,nt they just make a huge sell of one their buildings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I contemplated whether or not to post this - we own in midtown and go out downtown a lot! My job took me west this week and I work with Air LIQUIDE - thy recently announced they are. Holding a 20 story campus in EC - man I know I'm gonna catch heat but - couldn't any of those companies build move DT ? I literally flew home all week on the Katy tollway but how long is that possible? Anyway probably not the best topic to post this but the wind has been taken out of my DT loving sails - someone pick me up...I work on Park Row... there is no possible way you "fly" home using the regular lanes. However if you're sucked in to the hctra's scheme then it is quite possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Classic haif pile-on, I love it. mfastx that 75 story building is three blocks away and doesn't loom over Market Square at all. But its looming presence hasn't exactly done wonders for street life along Texas Ave., so I wonder what your point is? cloud713 I thought your response was the strongest, but the 40 story tower is only half a block wide, not a full block, and will probably present a more interesting facade than the expanses of glass on the International Tower. So I'm not as concerned about it. Moore713, that is a very optimistic picture. I don't think though that just the presence of many workers in an office tower guarantees that they'll all go down to the street below and foster urban life. All else being equal, yes it is good to have lots of workers in close proximity, but there is a danger in brutalizing the space. Classic example of brutalizing a space by the way is the Tour Montparnasse, which so overwhelmed the neighborhood below it that two years later Paris passed a law banning all buildings over 7 stories anywhere in the central city. The Montparnasse neighborhood never fully recovered its charm, although there's some places where you don't see the building. I have mixed feelings about the International Tower... I love what it would do for the skyline, extending it north, and we can all agree it's better than a parking lot, but the point of my original post was to say that I think there might be a hidden blessing if this doesn't get built, assuming something else does in a few years. Just one man's opinion, though. I see what you're saying. Say International Tower doesn't get built, because realistically how much has demand for downtown Class A space grown? So given continued incentives for downtown residential, and the two new residential projects adjoining Market Square, this block would be an obvious call for another residential project. Think of Market Square with three large residential projects. It could easily become Houston's version of Rittenhouse Square in Philadelphia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I see what you're saying. Say International Tower doesn't get built, because realistically how much has demand for downtown Class A space grown? So given continued incentives for downtown residential, and the two new residential projects adjoining Market Square, this block would be an obvious call for another residential project. Think of Market Square with three large residential projects. It could easily become Houston's version of Rittenhouse Square in Philadelphia. To be honest, I rather an office or a mix use office there. Think of it in this way, market square is one square block. Without any of these residential projects, it is pretty full of people and activities. You add 3, 350 unit developments and the park becomes overrun in the mornings / evenings by people needing to let out their dogs, and spending their outdoor time there... on the one square block. Grass / nature couldnt survive as well with all that ware. Honestly, with the 2 proposed (and God willing built) the park might still suffer. If the office building goes in there, then there will be a steady stream of people that can reduce the stress times on the park. Either way, it's going to be a popular park. no doubt or worry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 To be honest, I rather an office or a mix use office there.Think of it in this way, market square is one square block. Without any of these residential projects, it is pretty full of people and activities. You add 3, 350 unit developments and the park becomes overrun in the mornings / evenings by people needing to let out their dogs, and spending their outdoor time there... on the one square block. Grass / nature couldnt survive as well with all that ware. Honestly, with the 2 proposed (and God willing built) the park might still suffer. If the office building goes in there, then there will be a steady stream of people that can reduce the stress times on the park.Either way, it's going to be a popular park. no doubt or worry about that.There's always the bayou a few blocks away. Lots of small parks in New York have much higher populations within a three block radius and seem to do well. If there's too many people walking in this part of town... what a nice problem to have! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I would love to see a hotel/residential combo on that block. Or, even better, office/hotel/residential 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 mfastx that 75 story building is three blocks away and doesn't loom over Market Square at all. But its looming presence hasn't exactly done wonders for street life along Texas Ave., so I wonder what your point is? Okay, it's two blocks away, and all over the world there are many large towers that loom over heavily utilized pedestrian areas. It's all about street level interaction. No matter how tall the building is, if it engages the pedestrian then they will be comfortable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Agreed with most of the above.. Another residential might put this park over an edge we don't want it to go over.. I'm sure we've all seen how discovery green and klyde warren have to rope off sections of grass for days to allow the ground to recover.. But a hotel/office/retail combo would be fantastic here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Okay, it's two blocks away, and all over the world there are many large towers that loom over heavily utilized pedestrian areas. It's all about street level interaction. No matter how tall the building is, if it engages the pedestrian then they will be comfortable. Heavily utilized could mean Rockefeller Plaza or it could mean Washington Square, Greenwich Village. One of those works with tall buildings looming over it, the other wouldn't. The thing about Market Square is that it has the oldest buildings in all of Houston, and is one of the only places in the whole city that could be called quaint or charming. I just don't want to risk building a giant glass highrise on one side. If the character of this place is damaged, then that's it... Houston doesn't have any other square with quaint old-timey buildings around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Heavily utilized could mean Rockefeller Plaza or it could mean Washington Square, Greenwich Village. One of those works with tall buildings looming over it, the other wouldn't. The thing about Market Square is that it has the oldest buildings in all of Houston, and is one of the only places in the whole city that could be called quaint or charming. I just don't want to risk building a giant glass highrise on one side. If the character of this place is damaged, then that's it... Houston doesn't have any other square with quaint old-timey buildings around it. Unfortunately the character was damaged back when the south side of buildings was replaced with surface parking, and the west side with a jumbo parking garage. I can understand the concern with a glass facade, and the shape of the proposed International Tower hardly coordinates with the local building, but maybe a residential building, even a highrise, could be designed with greater sensitivity to the street and square. Here's hoping anyhow. Now that I've read your comments I'm starting to think it might be better if International Tower weren't built! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Scale being an important consideration and the fact that this is on the edge of the only historical area left in downtown it might be nicer to have a building intended for whatever use, that becomes the integrating factor of the skyline area and the theater/ historic district.I like the idea of a hotel and I imagine with all of the performing arts centered in the neighborhood a nice boutique hotel similar to the Lancaster, or maybe our own W, might be a good choice. I think something else to consider is the view from N45. If the building was in say the 30 story range and a really amazing design it wouldn't block the buildings behind it and would be a nice transition.It would definitely have a great location to be seen from several different angles. Every building built downtown doesn't have to be a 75 story building. We have plenty of empty blocks for those to come. Rome wasn't built in a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 One thing I meant to bring up is the block that was going to be the site of the 80 story tower that they had the competition for back in the late 70"s . I believe it was called the Bank of the Southwest Tower . I'm sure someone will correct me on the title but the competition made national news and the story made the headlines and cover story of Time Magazine as the project of the time.That's where we need the 80+ story tower. Right in the center and between the Texas Commerce/Chase 75stories and the 71 story Wells Fargo building. Hell make it 102 stories and screw the FAA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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