cloud713 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Slipping off topic again, but Thirteen Pies, de Boulle Jeweler's, American Food + Drink, Toulouse and soon St. Bernard. However, to make it relevant, some of these could make good gfr for 609...especially the restaurants and a high end jeweler.What benefit does a high end jewelry store, Louis Vuitton, or Tiffanys, provide to downtown Houston and Hines tenants? An Apple store I agree would be awesome, and you can't go wrong with a solid restaurant. Maybe after all the new residential towers fill up with wealthy residents the market will warrant some high end retail, but don't those kind of retailers generally prefer co tenancy? They'd be better off at GreenStreet or along Dallas Ave than segregated in the ground floor of an office building. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darb64 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 DT Houston is missing major retail $$$$, because its retail is mediocre at best. If they can secure Bloomingdale's (to the old Sakowitz building), bring Macy's back (at the base of the Marlowe), and add a Nordstrom (at the base of a tower further down Dallas Street), all the other retail requisites will fall into place along the corridor. DT Houston would never be the same, and this retail catalyst would cause DT to erupt into a new wave of development that would make this most recent/current boom look tame. If they can get this underway, there wouldn't be one vacant lot left in DT Houston...every one of them would be under development.There you go bashing on Houston again you hater! But I'm sure all this retail will happen in downtown if we can just get the people who are trying to destroy the US and Israel out of office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietstorm Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 As of today. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 The only way they are bigger is that they are taller. The floor plates of 609 Main @ Texas are about 28,000 square feet. Wells Fargo Plaza I think is about 25,000 sq feet. I think 600 Travis (the former Chase Tower) is closer to 22,000 square feet. And 609 Main is supposed to be only 24 feet shorter than Bank of America Center, so it doesn't exactly pale in comparison. Interesting, I really would have thought that Wells Fargo had a much bigger floor plan. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) Ummmm, square footage is just a result of height, width and depth. The post to which I was responding stated that the older towers were not just taller, but bigger as well. Since height was already mentioned, it seemed he had to have been talking about the other two dimensions. I just pointed out that in fact the only sense in which they are bigger is height. That's all. But thanks for providing the square footage information.I think you are confusing square footage with cubic footage.Most people in the real estate world as well as the skyscraper enthusiast world measure a building's size by its square footage. jmitch's "bigger as well" point captures something that your response to him ignores, which is that the degree to which those older buildings are bigger than 609 is even greater than the degree to which they are taller. Edited December 24, 2015 by H-Town Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yeah the just seem beefier for lack of better words. Also do they have parking like 609 main will have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yeah the just seem beefier for lack of better words. Also do they have parking like 609 main will have?You might want to wait until 609 Main is at least somewhere near full height, and then take a look at it from. It's broader side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 ^Chase and Wells Fargo cover almost the entire block where as 609's tower portion is only half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enriquewx91 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 There you go bashing on Houston again you hater! But I'm sure all this retail will happen in downtown if we can just get the people who are trying to destroy the US and Israel out of office.Yeah because the administration has so much control over what buildings and department stores come to Houston... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanize713 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 ^Chase and Wells Fargo cover almost the entire block where as 609's tower portion is only half. If you look at the Chase Tower it actually has a significant set back on Capitol and Milam. I would say its probably only built on half of the block as well. I have actually always thought that the plates of chase Tower were rather small. I imagine as someone metioned earlier they did this to go higher. Wells also has a pretty big setback on Louisiana and and is by no means built to the edge on the other sides. I do agree with you on the beefier comment thought. For some reason those towers just seem huge. I think its probably just perspective. I was just admiring the dominant presense of Williams Tower in the Galleria yesterday but if you dropped it in downtown it would be ther third tallest and just look like one of the other towers in downtown. By no means am I diminishing Williams either just saying there is something to be said about perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 What's the total square footage of Wells vs Chase? I would figure Wells is significantly more. The Capitol/Milam setback of Chase is pretty significant. Wells feels fairly "centered", offset toward Smith a bit, but pretty equal in the other direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 What's the total square footage of Wells vs Chase? I would figure Wells is significantly more. The Capitol/Milam setback of Chase is pretty significant. Wells feels fairly "centered", offset toward Smith a bit, but pretty equal in the other direction. Chase - 1,980,000 SF Wells Fargo - 1,833,760 SF The plot thickens... (I'm not sure if that's TOTAL sf or just usable - My calculations were based on what I could measure on foot ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darb64 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yeah because the administration has so much control over what buildings and department stores come to Houston...Sorry if my sarcasm didn't come through very clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanize713 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I think Heritage is probably the closest comparison to 609 as far as floor plates and coverage of the block. Heritage will also probably look bigger because its out in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) ^Chase and Wells Fargo cover almost the entire block where as 609's tower portion is only half.No. They don't. Not even close. If they did,they would have floor plates approaching 50,000 square feet. Edited December 24, 2015 by Houston19514 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CREguy13 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Chase - 1,980,000 SF Wells Fargo - 1,833,760 SF The plot thickens... (I'm not sure if that's TOTAL sf or just usable - My calculations were based on what I could measure on foot ) Chase tower - 1,656,529 Wells Fargo Plaza - 1,721,242 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) Chase tower - 1,656,529Wells Fargo Plaza - 1,721,242Thank you. So with 71 floors, Wells Fargo has a floor plate of approximately 24,242 square feet. 600 Travis, with 75 floors, has approximately 22,000 square foot floor plates.609 Main @Travis floor plates are 28,000 square feet. Simple math tells us the 609 Main tower takes up more of the block than either 600 Travis or Wells Fargo.I can't account for peoples' (mis)perceptions, (except to remind once again that 609 Main is far from complete), but the fact is, the 609 Main tower is bulkier than either of the tall boys. Edited December 24, 2015 by Houston19514 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Wells Fargo certainly looks bulkier than 600 Travis( p.s. when did the name change ?). The old World Trade Center towers make those two small in comparison. There some image overlay of them in downtown houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Wells Fargo certainly looks bulkier than 600 Travis( p.s. when did the name change ?). The old World Trade Center towers make those two small in comparison. There some image overlay of them in downtown houston.Indeed. The old World Trade Center towera had floor plates of more than 40,000 square feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 The more you know. Thanks for all the info guys. It really must just be perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 that's because Wells Fargo is in the center of the block, where Chase is in the corner of the block, with a huge plaza on the rest of the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Yeah the just seem beefier for lack of better words. Also do they have parking like 609 main will have? Chase and Wells (and Pennzoil, One Shell, Bank of America, etc.) do not sit on above ground parking podiums, although they do have a very limited amount of parking in the sub basement levels. Chase does have a garage across the street that was built at the same time; its upper floors at one time housed the "back office" functions that don't take as much square footage now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Via Flickr: DJI_0062 by Secret Squirrel, on Flickr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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monarch Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 ^^^ wow.. just wow! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I count approximately 31 complete. Seventeen to go I believe, Great photo. Thanks for your efforts Hindesky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 yeah 17 more but remember it crowne part as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art vandelay Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Driving in from 45 north this beauty is really starting to stand out, along with market square, and its only 2/3 done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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astros148 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 If this had another 15 storys itd make such a bugger difference. Stil looks amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H-Town Man Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Chase tower - 1,656,529Wells Fargo Plaza - 1,721,242 Did you get these from Costar? I wonder what would account for the Chase tower number being so much lower than the oft-published figure of 1,980,000. Certainly the building doesn't have that much common area, that it would be a GBA/NRA difference. I wonder if the larger figure included 601 Travis across the street, which I see has a surprising 415,390 SF (office + retail). Maybe the 1.98M was the office space total of the two buildings together.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) interesting, the Hines website says it's 1.7 million square feet, but the building's website (linked from the Hines site) says 1.98 million square feet of gross office building space Edited December 28, 2015 by Houston19514 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmitch94 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Wow, what a great urban photo of Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nole23 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Wow what a picture!! *Saves picture and makes it computer backdrop* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayjay Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) What other ROD stores are out of Dallas?*Edit* Sorry I didn't realize I was answering a question from a few pages back! Edited December 28, 2015 by rayjay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 @whatisericdoing via Instagram Someone able to lurk around in Battelsteins? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H-Town Man Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 interesting, the Hines website says it's 1.7 million square feet, but the building's website (linked from the Hines site) says 1.98 million square feet of gross office building space I wonder if maybe the owner allocated a chunk of 600 Travis to 601 Travis. There is no way that 601 Travis has 415,000 SF on just 3 or however many floors. That's almost the size of the Hilcorp tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Houston19514 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I wonder if maybe the owner allocated a chunk of 600 Travis to 601 Travis. There is no way that 601 Travis has 415,000 SF on just 3 or however many floors. That's almost the size of the Hilcorp tower.The building is listed as 20 floors with 12 floors of parking, so about 8 floors of lease space, at least some of which are almost 53,000 square feet. There's also lease space on the ground and tunnel levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Hmmmm didn't realize it was that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Anyone know what has happened to the 609 Main cam? Been inactive for a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Anyone know what has happened to the 609 Main cam? Been inactive for a few days.Been working fine for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 The building is listed as 20 floors with 12 floors of parking, so about 8 floors of lease space, at least some of which are almost 53,000 square feet. There's also lease space on the ground and tunnel levels. There is additional space in sub basements - that's where Texas Commerce Bank ran its back of the house operations, and where the armored trucks come in to this day. Think of it as a TARDIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 There is additional space in sub basements - that's where Texas Commerce Bank ran its back of the house operations, and where the armored trucks come in to this day. Think of it as a TARDIS.So you are a time lord Mollusk. I hope Davros or The Master are not Haifers or your cover is blown! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I wonder if maybe the owner allocated a chunk of 600 Travis to 601 Travis. There is no way that 601 Travis has 415,000 SF on just 3 or however many floors. That's almost the size of the Hilcorp tower. it does - it has 7 true office floors of which 4 of the floor plates are around 65-70K RSF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Off topic to tired, but what is going on with the Texaco building? Has it been 3 years since the renovation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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