HoustonIsHome Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Seems like its been forever since they started deconstructing Texas Tower and construction of 609M. I guess quality takes timeEdit: just saw that the concrete pour was aug 23; four months ago. that's about the time it takes to get a skyhouse from pour to topped off. Edited December 28, 2014 by HoustonIsHome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Residential towers are always quicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Also the skyhouses had no underground work.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There's no reason a residential tower, which has every unit fully finished out, should be faster to build than an office tower which is often delivered as shell space. Take a look at 2929 Wesayan and Sovereign as extreme examples. Skyhouses are an exemption, their developers have figured out a way to crank out McTowers very quickly. While they may not win Architectural awards, they are great for business given their speed to market - and I would bet most potential residents don't mind the exterior look at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdueenginerd Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You guys are kind of debating something that can't really be settled with the information we know. But I'll chime in a few extra points...The loads for a residential tower on each floor slab are normally a lot lower. The Private dwellings for multifamily apartments have live load spec of 40PSF vs 50 to 100PSF for offices (see ASCE 7: Minimum Design Loads for Buildings and Other Structures)609 Main is taller. Taller buildings mean higher wind loadsHigher loads means more hefty construction and design, which typically means more person-hours to complete the projectSpeaking of person-hours, none of us know the amount of labor crews allocated to each project. For all we know, Sky-house could have had 1000 people working on it. (exaggerating). We simply do not know the production rates of various crews.Speaking of Production, we have no idea what contractual obligations are set forth between the GC and owner. Are crews being paid by the owner to work 70 hours a week to complete the project faster or is the normal 40 hours okay? I think, In general, Bigfootsocks is correct. That is mainly because Residential towers are easier to design for, have lower loads, are generally shorter, and are generally less complex projects than a tall highrise office. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'm gonna take the structural engineer's words as fact and totally not because he said I was right.. Fernz you are right though, 2929 did take awhile but I think that's because of the point Purdue made; taller buildings require more foundation work. Sovereign also took longer because, and I'm pulling this out of my ass, it was a tower combined with a mid-rise apartment building on a full block. There has to be a lot more work done to complete something on that scale, correct? I guess a good way to find out is to see how long Catalyst takes as I believe it has a same basic structure as Sovereign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 so many factors to really say. Crew has a lot to do with it, and garage built in / design / etc. I thought my residential project would break ground in Nov. 2013 and be done Feb 2014... It broke ground in May 2014 and will be done in Feb 2015... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Yes, I agree taller buildings have stronger bones and take longer to build. That does not mean all office towers take longer to build than residential. The added time caused by the higher live loads is offset by the added amount in interior build out. Another obvious point to consider is floor plates. These days, a 25,000 sf plate is typical for office, whereas residential can get away with smaller floor plates. My point was that a blanket statement about use is not possible, there are too many variables. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Didn't mean to start a war. Just commenting on the point that in 4 months 609 is barely popping its head out of the ground. I know nothing of construction, just thought it would be higher by now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 1111 took a while to get started but is moving up smartly. Same thing will probably happen with this one. I'm sort of hoping the pullback in oil prices will put a hiatus on the "there is a shortage of everything" problem that Houston has had for the past year. It will be interesting to see how significant the impacts are from there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I was just looking at the oxblue construction cam for 609 Main and I zoomed into Minute Maid since the roof is open. It looks like they have something covering the outfield. Are they changing out the surface at Minute Maid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-TownChris2 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 12.27 by H-TownChris, on Flickr 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 great illustration h-townchris2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rube88 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yes, I visited the park a few weeks ago and was told they are replacing the turf. I was just looking at the oxblue construction cam for 609 Main and I zoomed into Minute Maid since the roof is open. It looks like they have something covering the outfield. Are they changing out the surface at Minute Maid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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monarch Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 mlyoung83, your illustrations are incredible! rock on... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Awesome pics mlyoung83 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Are you using a GoPro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlyoung83 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I use a 13 year old Canon 1Ds body for 95% of my shots. I also use a 1D Mark IIn which is 10 years old. The wider pics are multiple shots combined into one large shot. The zoom shots were done with a 70-200L with a 1.4 on it. You can also use all of Canon's high end EF zoom lenses with it. If you've ever wondered what the webcam looks like: 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adr Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 For posterity's sake, here is the state of the building as of January 1st, 2015. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 The 600 Travis tower formerly JP Morgan Chase building is really ugly. That whole building needs to be cleaned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 609 Main by marclongoria, on Flickr 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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phillip_white Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 What's the point of having a tag line if you're just going to stand under the load? This guy needs a time-out for safety. From 12/31/14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luminare Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) People have been complaining since the downgrade of Hotel Alessandra that we won't get an "iconic building" out of this current building cycle, but I've longed thought that this will be that building. Sure it wasn't designed by a "starchitect" but it does have visual impact and will look nice in the skyline. Edited January 25, 2015 by Luminare 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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