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Well, although that obnoxious horse mascot is nowhere in sight ("Lasso's Corral" must be the kids area), I can't get over the over-Texas theme. While I'm fine for a certain area of the park (at least there appears to be a Mexico-themed area) being all Wild West style Texas theme, I'm not fond of the theme of the rest of the park. They could crib some design cues from Epcot to make an Asian-themed one, maybe some sort of faux "big city" theme.

The "howling wolf" rock reminds me too much of the California Adventure bear (Disney's theme park), in fact, the whole thing reminds me a bit of that theme park, and not in a good way.

It also seems too far away from Houston--over six times as far away from downtown as Astroworld, and twice that of even Magic Kingdom in Orlando.

 

In other (arguably more apropos) comparisons, it's about 2/3 of the distance from downtown Chicago to Six Flags Great America; about 1/2 of the distance from downtown Cleveland to Cedar Point; less than 1/2 of the distance from downtown NYC to Six Flags Great Adventure; 1/3 of the distance from downtown Boston to Six Flags New England.

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The park concept is awful. Hope it stalls out and doesn't get built, leaving room for a first class theme park.

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The park concept is awful. Hope it stalls out and doesn't get built, leaving room for a first class theme park.

No. Theme parks don't just come like that, if this one doesn't happen something more awful could replace it. Developers of this theme park plan to expand it. Theres room for it.

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No. Theme parks don't just come like that, if this one doesn't happen something more awful could replace it. Developers of this theme park plan to expand it. Theres room for it.

Like Astro World, which was redeveloped into a Rodeo parking lot!

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each time i see posts in this thread i get a little queasy; i loathe this project.  it's been given way too much press and only because we do not have a theme park in houston and because they are naming it a "theme" park which it isn't.really.  it's more like some rich guy's grandiose idea for a playground on a ranch.  texas isn't a theme in TEXAS.  we are IN TEXAS. japan can have a texas themed park.  north dakota could have a texas theme of something, but texas is already what it is.  moronic.  simple minded (not in a good way).

 

i'm sorry, but i hope this project doesn't happen.  i'm sure the neighborhoods nearby are hoping the same thing.  the grand parkway is going to breathe life into this part of the region but a "theme" park next door will ensure your home values stay low.  

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each time i see posts in this thread i get a little queasy; i loathe this project.  it's been given way too much press and only because we do not have a theme park in houston and because they are naming it a "theme" park which it isn't.really.  it's more like some rich guy's grandiose idea for a playground on a ranch.  texas isn't a theme in TEXAS.  we are IN TEXAS. japan can have a texas themed park.  north dakota could have a texas theme of something, but texas is already what it is.  moronic.  simple minded (not in a good way).

 

i'm sorry, but i hope this project doesn't happen.  i'm sure the neighborhoods nearby are hoping the same thing.  the grand parkway is going to breathe life into this part of the region but a "theme" park next door will ensure your home values stay low.

I know that in the case of Six Flags Fiesta Texas, they actually ended up building really nice residential and a large outdoor mall relatively near it. And building a theme park based in the state that it's in isn't too unusual, I mean, California Adventure was built, for instance...but given the troubled history of that theme park, it's not the best example to bring up.

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I know that in the case of Six Flags Fiesta Texas, they actually ended up building really nice residential and a large outdoor mall relatively near it. And building a theme park based in the state that it's in isn't too unusual, I mean, California Adventure was built, for instance...but given the troubled history of that theme park, it's not the best example to bring up.

 

i get it.  i understand that ir occurs, but i don't understand the logic behind it. Naming it Six Flags Fiesta Texas doesn't necessarily mean it's "Texas" themed; I haven't been there however.  Do they have western themed things, like cowboy and rodeo motifs? 

 

When the "grand texas theme park" was looking at property at crighton road and i-45 in south conroe, nearby established neighborhoods were freaking out a bit.  why build or stay in a 400K custom home if you're going to hear rollercoasters until 10 or 11 at night, and share the road with theme park people day and night.  i'd be so out of there.

 

theme parks are a hard sell and must be a handful to manage and keep profitable.  i'm happy with theme parks in florida...for vacations.  i'd rather not have them too close.  the pleasure pier in galveston and the kemah boardwalk are more than enough; just passing fertitta's overrated neon abomination downtown turns my stomach.  

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I think this is one of those poorly planned projects that we'll be talking about that never comes to much if anything at all.

It just sounds a little hokey and from the drawings that I've seen, the whole thing looks like its going to be a second class park with

not enough excitement to attract the numbers the need to survive. Besides who wants to spend your day in the summer fighting off giant mosquitoes in the woods in 100 degree temps with 95% humidity. Doesn't sound too inviting.

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Im excited for this theme park. The original renderings left something to be desired, but the more recent ones look good. Looks fun. I like the scale. But them again im not into the biggest and craziest, my blood pressure cant handle it. lol.

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Not much going on at the site. Snapped this a couple of hours ago.

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Shoot, just need a broken car, some cinder blocks/building materials strewn about and some from of mixed-breed fighting dog with chain restraint and this could very well be the first ride.

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Just before AstroWorld was closed, it looked very much like what Six Flags over Texas looks like today. Faded paint, dirty, terrible customer service and neglect. Many rides standing but not operating and very short lines.  It's almost as trashy as the State Fair in dallas. I just went to Six Flags in dallas and it was pathetic. Rotted wood, rusted paint, overgrown lawns and tall weeds. Once Six Flags was beautifully maintained. It's really sad today.  I hope Grand Texas does not follow the same path - if they ever build it. 

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I worked at astro world the first year it was open, in rides. There is no comparison to astro. and this new "theme park". this will be a disaster.

Second year I worked the crystal palace in live show. I spent three years there and I know how much goes into these kinds of operations. I don't think I get the same feeling from this plan.

These parks are on two different levels. From the design team to the management astro world had a much better concept and location.

If this site is heavily wooded I can tell you from experience at camp strake, it's not fun to be in those woods in the summer.

It's just a bad plan.

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^ The biggest difference between this location and Strake is the highway it's next to.  It causes an irresistible urge to sweat and swat and scratch just thinking about it.

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No Comparison? Bob Russ, you are passing on some BAD INFO. Shame on you. I understand that AW can never be replaced in our hearts to those of us who loved it, but Grand Texas certainly has more potential than AW ever did.

 

Here are some facts - all can be verified in a simple google search. If they build GT to the plans they released,  it will beat AW in almost every category. 

 

 

AstroWorld had 1 "roller coaster" on opening day (Alpine Sleighs). GT will have 5. It took AW over 10 years to get to 5 roller coasters. Monty Galland has told the press that GT will have a wooden coaster over 150 tall (Texas Cyclone was 92 ft) and one of the tallest loop coasters in the world when it opens. It is also planned to have a runaway mine coaster built into a fake mountain and a modern day version of Greezed Lightnin'.

 

AW had aprrox 15 rides on opening day. GT will have about 25.

 

AW was approx. 50 acres of actual park land on opening day. GT will have 71

 

AW was built in a shadeless, treeless plot of coastal prairie - just about every tree was planted and rather small. It took DECADES to get what little shade they had.   GT will be surrounded by a shady, cooler pine forest.

 

AW was built on a plot of land that was 104 acres (this included the park, the offices, the water park and storage areas. 

GT is to be built on over 600 acres which will include the park, the offices, the waterpark, storage areas, hotels, baseball fields, shopping areas, r.v. park and a bunch of other things. CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE.

 

In the later years AW had no room to expand. GT theme park will have up to 150 acres to expand on.

 

AW was the SMALLEST park in the Six Flags chain. In the last 20 years AW existed,  most of the coasters were hand-me-downs with antiquated technology.

 

AW was surrounded by power lines, freeways, giant parking lots, warehouses, car dealerships, big box stores and urban blight - all visible from many places within the park. GT is going to be completely surrounded by a tall pine forest, a more natural environment, streams, lakes and set back from the freeway. 

 

Mosquitos? Show me a place in Houston that doesn't have to spray for mosquitos. 

 

 

 

I really don't get all the hate for this theme park at this website. It's a theme park. It's mostly for kids. If theme parks aren't your bag or if you think an old west theme is too unoriginal for you to enjoy, you should probably stay away. This place IF BUILT will bring a LOT of joy to the public. I really feel sorry for the generation growing up in Houston who didn't have a theme park to escape to.  Why try and ruin, trash and bash a place that will put Houston back on the map in the theme park business, and IF BUILT, will do it in a way that AstroWorld was incapable of doing due to it's limitations and HORRENDOUSLY INCOMPETENT upper management.

 

Haters need to go check their facts before they post. It's not that hard to get answers on the internet.

 

If they build this theme park anything close to their plans, Houston will be VERY VERY lucky. 

 

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Yeah, I agree that some of the areas look a bit not to my taste, but I think it's a pretty solid plan. I can't believe that people hate the Texas theme so much that they would rather have it canned then built. The "nearby home values will drop" statement seems more like an excuse than for altruistic reasons.

The big question: will they sell alcohol at the park?

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GT will be surrounded by a shady, cooler pine forest.

 

(*snort...*)  

 

Reminds me of this:  "Promotional advertising in 1909 explained that Bellaire was named for the area's Gulf breezes..." 

 

But take heart.  Houston was once famously described as  "a wretched little town composed of about twenty shops, and a hundred huts, dispersed here and there, among trunks of felled trees. It is infested with Methodists and ants."

 

FWIW, I am completely agnostic about the idea of a theme park on the way to Shreveport.

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Nobody's saying this is going to be a better experience than getting laid on prom night, but I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that shaded areas are a little more comfortable in the southeast Texas summer than unshaded areas unless you are a reptile. As long as GT doesn't clear cut the trees (and they say they won't) it will be shadier,  EVER-SO SLIGHTLY cooler and a LITTLE more comfortable than a park that was surrounded by a sea of cement and NOT built under thousands of pine trees.

 

It has nothing to do with the area, but I have some doubts that they can build this park too. They keep delaying construction which sounds depressingly and eerily familiar. My only real point is that IF they build it the way they say they are going to build it, it will probably be a better overall experience than that old, neglected, thin-treed, albeit beloved and much missed park that the Six Flags Corporation ran into the ground 10 years ago - and that there is no reason to hate on the plan.

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As far as I can tell NRG has the largest parking lot in the world but doesn't get credit for it.

http://nrgpark.com/parking-specs

26,000 spaces is greater than Disney World's 23,000 spaces; Universal Studios 20,000 spaces and West Edmonton Mall's 20,000 spaces.

http://www.valetonly.com/blog/5-of-the-largest-parking-lots-on-the-planet/

http://www.forbes.com/2008/04/10/parking-automobiles-retail-biz-logistics-cx_ew_0410parking_slide_11.html

According to this Disney info site, it has 26,039 spaces, and I think they're only counting theme park parking, and not also resort parking. I would imagine that number will keep growing as well, as they further expand across its 40+ square mile property.

http://www.wdwmagic.com/facts!.htm

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No Comparison? Bob Russ, you are passing on some BAD INFO. Shame on you. I understand that AW can never be replaced in our hearts to those of us who loved it, but Grand Texas certainly has more potential than AW ever did.

 

Here are some facts - all can be verified in a simple google search. If they build GT to the plans they released,  it will beat AW in almost every category. 

 

 

AstroWorld had 1 "roller coaster" on opening day (Alpine Sleighs). GT will have 5. It took AW over 10 years to get to 5 roller coasters. Monty Galland has told the press that GT will have a wooden coaster over 150 tall (Texas Cyclone was 92 ft) and one of the tallest loop coasters in the world when it opens. It is also planned to have a runaway mine coaster built into a fake mountain and a modern day version of Greezed Lightnin'.

 

AW had aprrox 15 rides on opening day. GT will have about 25.

 

AW was approx. 50 acres of actual park land on opening day. GT will have 71

 

AW was built in a shadeless, treeless plot of coastal prairie - just about every tree was planted and rather small. It took DECADES to get what little shade they had.   GT will be surrounded by a shady, cooler pine forest.

 

AW was built on a plot of land that was 104 acres (this included the park, the offices, the water park and storage areas. 

GT is to be built on over 600 acres which will include the park, the offices, the waterpark, storage areas, hotels, baseball fields, shopping areas, r.v. park and a bunch of other things. CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE.

 

In the later years AW had no room to expand. GT theme park will have up to 150 acres to expand on.

 

AW was the SMALLEST park in the Six Flags chain. In the last 20 years AW existed,  most of the coasters were hand-me-downs with antiquated technology.

 

AW was surrounded by power lines, freeways, giant parking lots, warehouses, car dealerships, big box stores and urban blight - all visible from many places within the park. GT is going to be completely surrounded by a tall pine forest, a more natural environment, streams, lakes and set back from the freeway. 

 

Mosquitos? Show me a place in Houston that doesn't have to spray for mosquitos. 

 

 

 

I really don't get all the hate for this theme park at this website. It's a theme park. It's mostly for kids. If theme parks aren't your bag or if you think an old west theme is too unoriginal for you to enjoy, you should probably stay away. This place IF BUILT will bring a LOT of joy to the public. I really feel sorry for the generation growing up in Houston who didn't have a theme park to escape to.  Why try and ruin, trash and bash a place that will put Houston back on the map in the theme park business, and IF BUILT, will do it in a way that AstroWorld was incapable of doing due to it's limitations and HORRENDOUSLY INCOMPETENT upper management.

 

Haters need to go check their facts before they post. It's not that hard to get answers on the internet.

 

If they build this theme park anything close to their plans, Houston will be VERY VERY lucky. 

 

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i wonder if there will be a house of horrors or a freak show?  bearded lady maybe?  they will definitely need alcohol for it to be worth taking the kids; "sorry kids, daddy can't handle grand texas theme park without a buzz."

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Actually, Monty Galland (the ringleader) told the press that he intends to model Grand Texas after Dollywood and Silver Dollar City. Go online and check out what those parks have to offer if you want to get an idea of what the developers of this project have in mind. I know that both those parks are considered to be very good old west style theme parks from the reviews I've read. 

 

But, yes. It's a theme park. Heat, sunburns, mosquito bites, vomit, 4 hour lines, painful rides, screaming babies, incompetent teenage workers who don't know the meaning of the word "service", nasty bathrooms, overpriced tickets, disgusting food, smelly people...ect.  - the whole works! 

 

The good news is that it's not like there will be any SS Nazis rounding people up and forcing them against their will at gunpoint to be there. If theme parks aren't your bag and you find yourself in the middle of it, you have no one but yourself or your own kids to blame.

 

BTW, I think most parks serve alcohol these days.

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 "sorry kids, daddy can't handle grand texas theme park without a buzz."

 

I'm sure the authentic saloon is central to the business model.

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Shoot, just need a broken car, some cinder blocks/building materials strewn about and some from of mixed-breed fighting dog with chain restraint and this could very well be the first ride.

 

You're thinking of Grand Chambers County. 

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I think people hate the Texas theme because the theme always represents one ethnic group - Caucasian (example: a white cowboy and a western theme.), when Texas is more diverse than that. If you ask someone from outside of Texas what race is depicted in the representation of Texas or what race do they think of when it comes to they're idea of Texas, I'll bet they would say white, which is why I dislike the theme. The theme should be more international and diverse to represent all of us.

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Trebelino, I think you're over thinking it. It's just meant to be an escape from the real world. If you are going to throw politics or all the awful things the white man has done to the world into it then I guess you will have a hard time having any fun. 

 

If it makes you feel any better, the plans call for the "Plaza Feliz" section at Grand Texas to be the largest section in the park and is the section that is supposed to have the 2 big roller coasters.

 

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I think people hate the Texas theme because the theme always represents one ethnic group - Caucasian (example: a white cowboy and a western theme.), when Texas is more diverse than that. If you ask someone from outside of Texas what race is depicted in the representation of Texas or what race do they think of when it comes to they're idea of Texas, I'll bet they would say white, which is why I dislike the theme. The theme should be more international and diverse to represent all of us.

 

The Texas FRONTIER theme that they seem to be going for gives the opportunity to represent 4 major ethnic groups, white European-Americans, blacks, American indians, and hispanics (both Spanish and Mexican and perhaps some others).  Is that not sufficient? 

 

As for the modern diversity of Texas, we don't need a theme park.  Just drive down Bellaire, Harwin, Beechnut, or a hundred other roads around Houston and see if for real.

 

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I think this is getting some backlash because of the following two reasons:

1) The hokey pictures/rendering/marketing material initially presented to the media.

2) The fact this is out in the far north-eastern rural stretches of greater Houston.

 

That and there are some - both "native" and "non-native" - who look at the idea of a park dedicated to Texas as hokey.  As opposed to say... a giant mouse wearing pants (sometimes) or talking chipmunks.  Nah, those aren't silly at all.

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That and there are some - both "native" and "non-native" - who look at the idea of a park dedicated to Texas as hokey.  As opposed to say... a giant mouse wearing pants (sometimes) or talking chipmunks.  Nah, those aren't silly at all.

 

Exactly.  This is a theme park, not a curated history exhibit.

 

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I went to Six Flags Over Texas recently and noticed that what was once called 'The Confederacy' section has been changed to 'The Old South'.

 

'Old South' must be a less offensive term than 'Confederacy'. As a kid, I always wondered if some people were offended by it.  I guess it can be difficult to celebrate one culture without offending another if people want to take this stuff too seriously.

 

I have no problem celebrating the American Old West, but I must admit AstroWorld had the politically correct right idea. There were 9 themed areas when they opened in 1968... 

 

Americana Square

Oriental Corner

Plaza de Fiesta 

Children's World 

Western Junction 

European Village 

Alpine Valley

Modville (my personal favorite)

and Fun Island

 

later they added...

 

Country Fair,

Coney Island

Nottingham Village (used to be Country Fair)

Looney Toons Town 

 

I suppose it might have been offensive to people from Iraq, Uganda and Australia, but I guess there just wasn't enough land to please everyone.

 

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To me it just seems like its marketing trying to hard to sell something which should be an easy sell just by its own merit. It's equal to an adult trying to be "cool and hip" in front of their kids while the kids think they are just being fools and embarrassing themselves lol. Oh no we can't just have a regular theme park no it has to be a "Texas" themed park with a capital T size font 9000.

 

A theme park is probably the easiest thing to sell. As long as you are able to get the concepts down, ideas for rides, and proper access it's a no brainer. Nope we have to rub Texas all up in your face!

 

While there are theme parks devoted to a mouse, bunny rabbit, etc.... They live in worlds that we want to visit but can't because it isn't possible except for a theme park. A theme park is best when we can step into a fantasy world that is so out there we can't believe someone created it on Earth for us to see. If you want "old Texas" then go visit San Antonio or small towns in Texas lol.

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Amen Luminare, and without sounding blasphemous, again I say Amen. I wasn't forced to return to TX, circumstance led me to this place, which has a plethora of merits as long as one looks for them, quite frankly, in many cities and small towns around the state. But then come and visit TEXAS! Not a theme park devoted to a conceptualized version of TX. Sigh. I suppose THEY are gleaning off of the California Adventures concept, which works BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A SUCCESSFUL THEME PARK IN PLACE! But I must say, as a resident of California for 20 years, the only way they get tourists to buy the double park ticket is to put theme attractions Like, the haunted hotel, areal view over California, Toy Story Arcade, and the new Cars Land. Without these, attendance would be dismal. I wish they would go in this direction: Americas Over Texas or something of that venue. I like the EarthQwest idea as well that celebrates ecology and nature and morphs it into a theme park. I agree that plastering a glorification of TEXAS into a theme park limits it from the get go. Think of all of those people nationwide and world wide that equate our state with backwoods racism, good ole boy mentality, and a very limited view of our increasingly diverse world. Right away, we just prohibited them from attending. I don't have the golden answer, unfortunately, but IMO, this is certainly not it.

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OR, I was toying with this the other day; do something along the lines of Epcot, which is highly successful, and have a From Sea To Shining Sea Theme Park concentrating on the various regions of our great country. Sure, to do us proud, the TEXASland area can be the largest In the park, LoL.

Then at least Americans from our country could be curious enough to visit, if it is done well and marketed even better, just to see how the common concept of their regions are perceived. I mean go all out and highlight the New England village feel, the NYC experience, James Coney Island, the Southeast, Florida, Midwest, Deep South, Pacific Northwest, SoCal and of course Hawaii and Alaska. Then have the TX area be a focal point of a conglomerate of most cultures our country houses. (Houston is labeled one of the most diverse cities in our country). And then sure, replicate The Alamo, Spindletop, and the Gulf culture. But, an entire park resting it's laurels on the allure of TX. I am jot sure it will fly.

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Think of all of those people nationwide and world wide that equate our state with backwoods racism, good ole boy mentality, and a very limited view of our increasingly diverse world. Right away, we just prohibited them from attending.

 

If one could preselect a theme to automatically filter out such bigots, I'd call it a good thing.  Do you honestly think that someone with such a parcohial, cartoonishly simplistic idea of Big Dumb Texas is going to any theme park in New Caney?

 

I don't think it makes for much of a theme park for various reasons, but if you look at Texas history and see KlanLand, you've spent far too much time looking for a grevance.

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Do you honestly think that someone with such a parcohial, cartoonishly simplistic idea of Big Dumb Texas is going to any theme park in New Caney?

 

 

Betting is now open on whether it will have a PO box in Kingwood to give it a Houston address, and all physical location descriptions will only refer to I-69 and perhaps the (whatever) exit.

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A priceless counter-intuitive bit of history is the reverse of today, Mexico liberalized its immigration policies so any settler of any race could settle in Mexico

Timoric, how is that the reverse of today? Are there any race laws limiting who can come to Texas today?

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Timoric, how is that the reverse of today? Are there any race laws limiting who can come to Texas today?

 

Perhaps the reverse is that we're trying to limit immigration into Texas and the US now whereas in the 1820's it was liberalized to allow immigrants in (by Mexico). 

 

Another rarely or never mentioned priceless tidbit of history is that the claim that Anglo settlers "took" Texas from Mexico.  The fact of the matter is that Spain, and independant Mexico afterwards, never really controlled much of Texas beyond San Antonio and the Valley.  Mexico may have claimed all of the territory of present-day Texas but in fact it was mostly controlled by the Comanches.  Another way of looking at who really had power in Texas; It took just over 6 months (Oct 2, 1835 to Apr 21, 1836) to defeat Mexico.  It took almost 40 years more (until Jun 2, 1875) until the Comanches were finally defeated.

 

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To me it just seems like its marketing trying to hard to sell something which should be an easy sell just by its own merit. It's equal to an adult trying to be "cool and hip" in front of their kids while the kids think they are just being fools and embarrassing themselves lol. Oh no we can't just have a regular theme park no it has to be a "Texas" themed park with a capital T size font 9000.

 

A theme park is probably the easiest thing to sell. As long as you are able to get the concepts down, ideas for rides, and proper access it's a no brainer. Nope we have to rub Texas all up in your face!

 

While there are theme parks devoted to a mouse, bunny rabbit, etc.... They live in worlds that we want to visit but can't because it isn't possible except for a theme park. A theme park is best when we can step into a fantasy world that is so out there we can't believe someone created it on Earth for us to see. If you want "old Texas" then go visit San Antonio or small towns in Texas lol.

 

I have to wonder what the intended target audience is for this.  If they are trying to draw out-of-state tourists then the Texas theme could work just fine.  You'd be surprised how many Americans, not to mention foreigners, who, never having been here, think we all ride horses and wear cowboy hats and boots whenever we go out.

 

I agree that there are better places to find "old Texas" and even colonial Mexico, but we don't really have much of that around here so, in true Houston fashion, we have to build it ourselves.  Now if the intended market is local, that could be a whole 'nuther story.  If that ends up being the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see them shift the theme as time goes on.  They've got a lot of land to build on so they could go in different directions.

 

At the end of the day, I'm glad someone at least is giving it a try.  Who knows what it might morph into down the road.

 

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Perhaps the reverse is that we're trying to limit immigration into Texas and the US now whereas in the 1820's it was liberalized to allow immigrants in (by Mexico).

Another rarely or never mentioned priceless tidbit of history is that the claim that Anglo settlers "took" Texas from Mexico. The fact of the matter is that Spain, and independant Mexico afterwards, never really controlled much of Texas beyond San Antonio and the Valley. Mexico may have claimed all of the territory of present-day Texas but in fact it was mostly controlled by the Comanches. Another way of looking at who really had power in Texas; It took just over 6 months (Oct 2, 1835 to Apr 21, 1836) to defeat Mexico. It took almost 40 years more (until Jun 2, 1875) until the Comanches were finally defeated.

That's not the reverse. We have no race laws on immigration, and there is a process in place for it, albeit a difficult one. Also, I believe Mexico limited the inflow of Anglos about a decade later when they decided it was too much.

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... Mexico may have claimed all of the territory of present-day Texas but in fact it was mostly controlled by the Comanches.  Another way of looking at who really had power in Texas; It took just over 6 months (Oct 2, 1835 to Apr 21, 1836) to defeat Mexico.  It took almost 40 years more (until Jun 2, 1875) until the Comanches were finally defeated.

 

 

Just the other day my co-worker pointed out where the Austin paper reported on its front page that a tornado near Blanco "threw a home 150 years off its foundation."  I said I reckoned when those people walked out of their house: "Comanch!"

 

That's not the reverse. We have no race laws on immigration, and there is a process in place for it, albeit a difficult one. Also, I believe Mexico limited the inflow of Anglos about a decade later when they decided it was too much.

 

Not race, no, but ethnicity. From the pro-immigration Immigration Policy Center (http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/how-united-states-immigration-system-works-fact-sheet):

 

Per-Country Ceilings

In addition to the numerical limits placed upon the various immigration preferences, the INA also places a limit on how many immigrants can come to the United States from any one country. Currently, no group of permanent immigrants (family-based and employment-based) from a single country can exceed 7% of the total amount of people immigrating to the United States in a single year. This is not a quota that is set aside to ensure that certain nationalities make up 7% of immigrants, but rather a limit that is set to prevent any immigrant group from dominating immigration patterns to the United States.

 

I'm sorry for being mischievous, this may not get at what you meant at all -- but no matter where you stand on immigration you've gotta marvel at the unironic tone in which is explained the purpose of the limit.

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Just the other day my co-worker pointed out where the Austin paper reported on its front page that a tornado near Blanco "threw a home 150 years off its foundation." I said I reckoned when those people walked out of their house: "Comanch!"

Not race, no, but ethnicity. From the pro-immigration Immigration Policy Center (http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/how-united-states-immigration-system-works-fact-sheet):

Per-Country Ceilings

In addition to the numerical limits placed upon the various immigration preferences, the INA also places a limit on how many immigrants can come to the United States from any one country. Currently, no group of permanent immigrants (family-based and employment-based) from a single country can exceed 7% of the total amount of people immigrating to the United States in a single year. This is not a quota that is set aside to ensure that certain nationalities make up 7% of immigrants, but rather a limit that is set to prevent any immigrant group from dominating immigration patterns to the United States.

I'm sorry for being mischievous, this may not get at what you meant at all -- but no matter where you stand on immigration you've gotta marvel at the unironic tone in which is explained the purpose of the limit.

It's actually a fairly sound and reasonable practice for preventing a nation from changing too quickly in any one direction. And it's not ethnicity, it's nationality. Our immigration policies are actually fairly liberal compared to most European countries where great measures are taken to preserve national identity. No wonder, after a century of ethnic warfare and oppression over there.

I do think though that the 7% limit can be inhumane if there is, say, a great humanitarian crisis in Mexico and meanwhile no one else really wants to immigrate here. To hold them to 7% of total immigrants is unreal in that case.

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^ I'm sorry. My import must not have been clear. Or perhaps we may be living in alternate universes; in mine, the gap between reality and this orderly 7% solution stuff is ... well, nevermind, I must be being pranked. Back to the topic of the anachronistic park.

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I think people hate the Texas theme because the theme always represents one ethnic group - Caucasian (example: a white cowboy and a western theme.), when Texas is more diverse than that. If you ask someone from outside of Texas what race is depicted in the representation of Texas or what race do they think of when it comes to they're idea of Texas, I'll bet they would say white, which is why I dislike the theme. The theme should be more international and diverse to represent all of us.

It is true that the image of Texas history for most of the world is cowboys but, like it or not, that is what people who visit here want to see. When tourists go to London, they want to see British history, which means Buckingham Palace and Beefeaters at the Tower and the Crown Jewels. Many people like that London is now largely Pakistani, but that is not what what drives tourism. Look at the relative success of the rodeo and the international fest, and tell me which concept you would bet money on if you were an investor.

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